Re: [Vo]:A memory of March 1989 and Arthur C. Clarke

2008-03-21 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message - > > > > Like Jed, I'll take a stab at answering this conundrum. I'll > also be > > the first to admit that my comments are highly eccentric, > personally> opinionated, and filled with a kind of new age mystic > drivel that > > would have likely irked Sir Arthur, bein

[Vo]:How bad is it?

2008-03-21 Thread FZNIDARSIC
I friend of mine rvargo has an IQ of 160. He has proven to have a vision of future events. He writes: It is worse than what is stated. The Chinese hold 1 trillion of out debt. They could put us in a depression in 24 hrs at any time they choose. A major attack on Saudi oil would spike oil to

Re: [Vo]:A memory of March 1989 and Arthur C. Clarke

2008-03-21 Thread Terry Blanton
@Jed Yes, Sir Arthur; but, it reminds me of the mythical king. Actually apropos! :-) @SVJ I, too, felt the pain of the demise of the earth in my teenage reading; but, as an adult I saw it as a metaphor for the ornithological egg or the cocoon of the butterfly. Extending the metaphor, the over

[Vo]:Environmental space

2008-03-21 Thread Nick Palmer
Could Vorts look over the paragraph below and give me their opinion on it (also please check the maths). It is part of an article I am writing for our newspaper on sustainability. <

Re: [Vo]:A memory of March 1989 and Arthur C. Clarke

2008-03-21 Thread OrionWorks
Terry sez: > I never did understand what inspired Sir Clarke to write this novel. > > Terry Like Jed, I'll take a stab at answering this conundrum. I'll also be the first to admit that my comments are highly eccentric, personally opinionated, and filled with a kind of new age mystic drivel that

Re: [Vo]:A memory of March 1989 and Arthur C. Clarke

2008-03-21 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message From: Jed Rothwell > I would like to see that. If anyone has a copy, please send it to me. I will check the Chamblee library. Looks like there is CD ROM version from Grolier which is only available to libraries: http://www.grolier.com/gi/products/reference/esf/d

Re: [Vo]:A memory of March 1989 and Arthur C. Clarke

2008-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: I never did understand what inspired Sir Clarke to write this novel. That should be "Sir Arthur." That's an interesting question. Yesterday a reviewer wrote: "In Childhood's End, Clarke revealed himself as a fatalist and a mystic." I told him I disagree. He referred me

Re: [Vo]:Re: Call for new Ozone process

2008-03-21 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:49:58 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] >Forgot to add - we also require some extra O2 to be bubbled through the >barrel, otherwise the end product is all steam. Not sure the pressure-swing >device enrichment device is efficient enough for very chea

Re: [Vo]:A memory of March 1989 and Arthur C. Clarke

2008-03-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Jed Rothwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What ran through my mind then were the words from the prologue of > Clarke's "Childhood's End" describing the invasion of Earth by a > fleet of extraterrestrial spacecraft: > > "This was the moment when history held its

[Vo]:Re: Call for new Ozone process

2008-03-21 Thread Jones Beene
Forgot to add - we also require some extra O2 to be bubbled through the barrel, otherwise the end product is all steam. Not sure the pressure-swing device enrichment device is efficient enough for very cheap O2. Maybe Robin knows? - Original Message From: Michel Jullian > it occ

[Vo]:OT: UV and US (was: Call for new Ozone process)

2008-03-21 Thread Jones Beene
Speaking of having one's head in the ozone... not that anyone has ever accused this writer of that problem ;-) In one of the great ironies of biology - the same deadly UV radiation from the sun, which causes cancer and/or creates an ozone layer and other toxicity - is also responsible for US (

[Vo]:Re: Call for new Ozone process

2008-03-21 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message From: Michel Jullian > it occurred to me that the best way to do it "in situ" was to use the water > itself as a discharge surface, a quick Googling showed this has indeed been > done with what seems to be good results, see http://www.center.bg.ac.yu/plasma/plasm

[Vo]:OT Germany, Texas and Paris (was Re: Call for new Ozone process)

2008-03-21 Thread Michel Jullian
Thanks for the historical enlightenment, I had no idea, ignorant me! Inspired by this I just googled up Paris, Texas, but it doesn't seem to have been founded by French people, in spite of their mockup Eiffel tower, too bad :) Michel - Original Message - From: R C Macaulay To: vortex-

[Vo]:Re: Call for new Ozone process

2008-03-21 Thread Michel Jullian
Jones answered, with ample supporting arguments and evidence, my question about efficiency of UV tube based methods: not efficient at all, as I had suspected. Going back to gas discharge (DBD, the classical process), it occurred to me that the best way to do it "in situ" was to use the water its

Re: [Vo]:Re: Call for new Ozone process

2008-03-21 Thread R C Macaulay
For pure kill power, ozone has the right stuff, no residual and good reduction properties. Bleach must be destructed after doing it's job.The task is getting ozone in the right place immediately on generation. Like Chlorine gas.. the first 3 seconds holds the kill power. We are looking at "shap

[Vo]:Progress in atomic batteries

2008-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
This is conventional technology as far as I can tell, but interesting: http://rfdesign.com/military_defense_electronics/nuclear-accelerated_beta_radiation/ "Nuclear-accelerated generator harvests beta radiation Oct 1, 2007 12:00 PM David Weber, owner and founder of Executive Engineering, is d

[Vo]:A memory of March 1989 and Arthur C. Clarke

2008-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
On March 24, 1989, I picked up the Wall Street Journal and had one of the biggest shocks in my life. I read about cold fusion. I distinctly remember thinking: * If this is real, it changes everything. As a scientist remarked a few weeks later, if true it is the most important discovery since f

[Vo]:Re: Call for new Ozone process

2008-03-21 Thread Michel Jullian
Producing ozone using UV, why not, that's indeed what the sun does in the upper atmosphere and what makes the sky blue, how does it compare with the DBD method in terms of efficiency and cost? Is ozone a requirement, if not maybe you could produce bleach on the spot. Michel P.S. If I talked li

Re: [Vo]:Re: Call for new Ozone process

2008-03-21 Thread R C Macaulay
Howdy Richard, what makes you think the classical glass tube dielectric barrier discharge ozone production process (which you are using IIRC) can be >improved upon, and what's troubling about it? Michel Several things Michel. The demand is increasing, ozone gas is expensive, ozone doesn't st

[Vo]:Re: Call for new Ozone process

2008-03-21 Thread Michel Jullian
Howdy Richard, what makes you think the classical glass tube dielectric barrier discharge ozone production process (which you are using IIRC) can be improved upon, and what's troubling about it? Michel - Original Message - From: R C Macaulay To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, Ma

Re: [VO]: Call for new Ozone process

2008-03-21 Thread thomas malloy
Jones Beene wrote: From: R C Macaulay > There are Vorts here that have an idea on the subject that may help our industry. Actually, there are some ways to pull this hydrino-like process off, which I can envision, but it would not be not be easy to do, and since Mills has already burned th