[Vo]:Re: Environmental space
It might also be interesting to know how polluted/warmed Nick's hypothetical individual space would be for a typical inhabitant of each region of the world if that pollution didn't spill over the rest of the world :) Michel - Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vortex-L vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Environmental space In reply to Nick Palmer's message of Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:30:59 -: Hi Nick, [snip] The purpose of my calculations was simply to blast these people out of their complacency with simple maths that is easily checkable. [snip] In that case, might I suggest a table of numbers indicating exactly what effect we *are* having on the planet (e.g. measures of pollution) and the consequences thereof, rather than dividing the planet up into hypothetical spaces. Global warming is one such. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
[Vo]:The Kanzius - Chlorine connection
Some of the Kanzius-effect details are almost beginning to fall into a rational MO (modus operandi). It turns out that the 13.56-MHz radio frequency is a harmonic of the naturalfrequency of sodium ions, according to Dr. Roy at PSU. This is a bit of serendipity, it seems. These RF waves, to the extent that they can propagate in salt water, cause the positive sodium ions tovibrate intensely. At this degree of vibration, the Vander Waal force - which is the near-field charge polarity effect of molecules [which is different but arguably linked to the Casimir force by geometry similarities], can then attract the oxygen end of the water molecule much closer than normal [the O end has a slightly negative charge]. A percentage of the positive sodium ions can then bind temporarily with the OH--H, and if the vibration is severe enough, as is often the case, then the one proton from the water molecule at the far end will be freed... (protons are actually freed naturally for short time spans in pure water, so this is no big deal). From the perspective of the loosest proton in such a case, the attractive charge of the remaining hydroxyl has been diminished, as that hydroxyl is temporarily forming sodium hydroxide (lye) ... but that new lye bond is almost as stable as the former salt ionic bond; thus freeing up the one proton much of the time -- and as a further result of the NaOH, the chloride ion has lost its polarity-partner. The nascent hydrogen (proton) can either find another one, forming hydrogen gas, which would happen more often if there were free electrons - or else the nascent hydrogen will find a freed chloride ion and the net result is a violent secondary 'combustion.' It could be made much more violent if the chlorine were to become photoactivated. If there is any OU in this system (and there has been NO indication of that so far) then it might derive from the secondary combustion being suprachemical at least on occasion in the QM sense of a bare proton being able to tunnel into the k-shell of the photoactivated chlorine. Teaser: There is actually some (fairly decent) historical evidence that deuterium and photoactivated chlorine combine with near-nuclear (supra-chemical) effects resulting in neutron stripping ! More on that at the end. Chlorine gas would be encouraged to form if the two ions could both get rid of their extra electrons, which is rare- therefore the choline ion can only combust or reverse the lye forming reaction and neutralize the base. IOW the RF creates a violent sew-saw of reactions, since the (former) positive ion (sodium) of NaCl has been temporarily bound with the hydroxide from water, forming lye temporarily - that is why we would find all of this instability from only non-ionizing energy (the RF at 13.46 Mhz). From the above, if that scenario happened often enough, we would expect a strong anomaly in excess heat, and resulting overunity. This reaction has not been documented to be anything but conservative, however. The most likely reason for the present situation is the lack of easy penetration or propagation of RF through salt water. In fact the RF which is used is rapidly attenuated. Kanzius claims he has found an additive which increases the H2 output, but it is now a secret. From what has appeared, that additive might be suspected to function as a facilitator of RF propagation in the saltwater, but one wonders if there is not a much easier way. As a gas, chlorine could exit the liquid saltwater, along with the H2. However, since it begins with an ion, most of the local nascent hydrogen and chlorine ions would be expected to burn even before they can leave the cell. Hydrogen chloride (HCl) is produced and it is very hot initially: this is the dense gas produced during combustion of materials with a high chlorine content. HCl is extremely hygroscopic, and will attract all the water vapor in its path, but in the first few milliseconds following combustion it is hot and rapidly is expelled. This is the characteristic yellow color seen in the video. In fact, from the video, it is possible that the HCl is the dominant gas being evolved and that there is very little H2 to burn. If true, the radio waves may be givingelectrolysis at an energy discount, but with un-usable H2 since it has already been converted into HCl, allowing the yellow flame to produce anet energy gain without breaking any thermodynamic laws if the saltwater itself drops in temperature. All which is apparent at this stage of understanding is that this is a very promising niche in alternative energy field -- which in a perfect world, would attract the huge amount of needed funding which would be required to try to push it into commercial usefullness. Jones Below is some speculative information from old posting on supra-chemical (ballotechnic) reactions' which anecdotally have been claimed to produce nuclear reactions (neutron
[Vo]:LHC Lawsuit
Had we been as litigious when the first H-Bomb was tested with a minute possibility that it could ignite the atmosphere . . . http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/27/823924.aspx
[Vo]:They're back!
The dragonfly ufo drones are back in the new along with a leaked 1986 research document on reverse engineering: http://www.ufo-blog.com/ufo-blog/labels/california.html
Re: [Vo]:LHC Lawsuit
Now isn't this ironic. The physics community spends a lot of money to understand aspects of nature that appear to have very little application to the real world. Then they are are stopped in their tracks when people carry their theories one step further and actually apply them to the real world. Ed Terry Blanton wrote: Had we been as litigious when the first H-Bomb was tested with a minute possibility that it could ignite the atmosphere . . . http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/27/823924.aspx
[Vo]:Planktos and Russ George in the news again
See: http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/821934.html
[Vo]:Eris and 2012
Even if you are not a subscriber to Astronomy you can use their forum and the various threads, links and references on Extinction Level Event Investigation Planet X aka Eris to begin a fascinating search for what many believe to be a rapidly approaching climactic event in 2012 - either it will be a time of great change, or even Armageddon, both of which have been foretold in prophecy - and in just four short years. Or not ... http://cs.astronomy.com/asycs/forums/t/30561.aspx This topic seems to have hit a raw nerve in cyberspace this weekend (eNerve ?) ... It is a sign of how fast grim news travels these days that you may experience delays at some of the sites which normally cater only to stargazing nerds. Could the impending pole reversal also have been a relic - originally triggered or influenced by Eris sometime in the past? probably coincidental...
Re: [Vo]:The Kanzius - Chlorine connection
Howdy Jones, In my files under chlorine and salt water anomalies, I keep your posts on this subject. For some years we have puzzled over some of the (return for repair) chlorine gas vacuum induction feeder mixers installed at Los Angeles and certain other US locations always adjacent to oceans. Some salt water can be present in the effluent. The units show severe cavitation pitting on certain areas of the high speed rotating member. This member is made of UHMW ultrahigh molecular weight poly and under NO circumstances should it pit. Of interest is that the pitting does not show as a typical cavition type erosion as seen on centrifugal pump impellers which rots the bronze. The pits on the UHMW appear to be spike shaped formed from a hot needle shot into the plastic. Hmmm Richard Jones wrote, From the above, if that scenario happened often enough, we would expect a strong anomaly in excess heat, and resulting overunity. This reaction has not been documented to be anything but conservative, however. The most likely reason for the present situation is the lack of easy penetration or propagation of RF through salt water.
Re: [Vo]:Eris and 2012
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could the impending pole reversal also have been a relic - originally triggered or influenced by Eris sometime in the past? probably coincidental... Eris is lucky if fnord her periods only come once every 26,000 years! Terry
Re: [Vo]:The Kanzius - Chlorine connection
In reply to R C Macaulay's message of Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:29:02 -0500: Hi, [snip] Howdy Jones, In my files under chlorine and salt water anomalies, I keep your posts on this subject. For some years we have puzzled over some of the (return for repair) chlorine gas vacuum induction feeder mixers installed at Los Angeles and certain other US locations always adjacent to oceans. Some salt water can be present in the effluent. The units show severe cavitation pitting on certain areas of the high speed rotating member. This member is made of UHMW ultrahigh molecular weight poly and under NO circumstances should it pit. Of interest is that the pitting does not show as a typical cavition type erosion as seen on centrifugal pump impellers which rots the bronze. The pits on the UHMW appear to be spike shaped formed from a hot needle shot into the plastic. Hmmm Richard It sounds as if the plastic is acting as a CR-39 replacement energetic particle detector. :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
