Re: [Vo]:Who is John Galt?

2009-02-24 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
grok blathered: Gawd... if I got a slip of Monopoly money for every time I've had socialism/communism -- or capitalism -- patiently explained to me (or not) by a petit-bourgeois, I'd never have to buy toilet paper ever again... Typical troll. Insult the senders -- petit-bourgeois is

Re: [Vo]:Who is John Galt?

2009-02-24 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Thanks, Robin. I like your analysis and I don't recall ever seeing it stated that way before. mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to John Berry's message of Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:05:35 +1300: Hi, I find it incomprehensible that anyone could seriously support communism/socialism and actually be

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-24 Thread thomas malloy
Harry Veeder wrote: - Original Message - From: thomas malloy temall...@usfamily.net grok wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.com mounted the barricade and roared out: I think one of my main objections to the

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
thomas malloy wrote: It hasn't happened here yet because we have freedom of speech, at the moment. However the Hate Speech Legislation is moving through the congress. It will criminalize telling homosexuals that they are living in impenitent sin . . . There are any number of real problems

Re: [Vo]:Who is John Galt?

2009-02-24 Thread Jones Beene
From: Stephen A. Lawrence Thanks, Robin. I like your analysis and I don't recall ever seeing it stated that way before. Let me second that. Robin seems to be the only commentator who has looked at this situation intelligently. But why isn't this thread labeled as off-topic? I find it

Re: [Vo]:Who is John Galt?

2009-02-24 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: But why isn't this thread labeled as off-topic? Look at the original message. John Galt was the fictional inventor of a free energy engine. ;-) Terry

Re: [Vo]:Who is John Galt?

2009-02-24 Thread Jones Beene
From: Terry Blanton But why isn't this thread labeled as off-topic? Look at the original message. John Galt was the fictional inventor of a free energy engine. ;-) Aha... OK I had forgotten that it was 'free energy'... BTW here is what Wiki has to say about Galt's motor John Galt

Re: [Vo]:Who is John Galt?

2009-02-24 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The theory is that the power is drawn from the environment. The book gives the source as static electricity from the air, and suggests that a new physics was necessary to tap it. Additionally, the motor could be seen as a

Re: [Vo]:Who is John Galt?

2009-02-24 Thread Terry Blanton
Several youtube vids, here's one: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4455951993961148210 On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The theory is that the power is drawn from the

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-24 Thread OrionWorks
Hi Thomas, You brought up many interesting issues for which most are ripe for comment. I will try to restrain myself and endeavor to remain on-topic of this OT subject thread: The Rapture. I asked: I'm puzzled, Thomas. What are your criteria for qualification for rapture status? You replied

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-24 Thread leaking pen
Well, to go for classic evangelical christian belief, likely that jesus is the son of god, died for our sins, and that salvation can only come through him. Oh, and that, even though Christ himself rejected large parts of the laws of the old testament, you have to follow them verbatim. except

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-24 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
leaking pen wrote: Well, to go for classic evangelical christian belief, likely that jesus is the son of god, died for our sins, and that salvation can only come through him. I think you leaked a word or two here; this sentence contains only dependent clauses. What's the proposed righteous

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-24 Thread leaking pen
Umm, Leviticus 11:9-12 says: 9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat. 10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any

[Vo]:Lautzenhiser paper

2009-02-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Some more info on the Amoco experiment: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Lautzenhisconstanthe.pdf A detail not in the paper which we should maybe add: the cathode was a 37 mm diameter disc, 14 mm thick Pd. That explains the large initial energy storage, I think. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-24 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
leaking pen wrote: Umm, Leviticus 11:9-12 says: 9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat. 10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move

[Vo]:Socialist centrally planned science sure don't work

2009-02-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Getting slightly back on topic . . . As I said, I support a pragmatic hybrid economy, with some elements of socialism for things like fire departments, healthcare, and public schools, because they do not fit the normal rules of economics well; i.e., little kids need to go to school and they

Re: [Vo]:Socialist centrally planned science sure don't work

2009-02-24 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Socialist centrally planned science sure don't work Ya. Right. Keep telling yourselves that. And the more times you repeat it -- the more right it gets!! Pfft. Fact is: the only reason capitalist Science gave us anything (like a MILLION different

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-24 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So, NO SHELLFISH FOR YOU! I love scallops. Pork too, for that matter. - -- grok. - -- *** FULL-SPECTRUM DOMINANCE! *** * Boycott Bourgeois Mass-Media * Political Comix Cartoons * *

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-24 Thread leaking pen
Ohh, sorry. My original comment was being sarcastic, in that you had to follow all the laws of the old testament, except, it seems, EATING shellfish or WEARING two fabrics at once, since most evangelicals seem to feel those arent important anymore. I figured that with a smart crowd like this, I

Re: [Vo]:I've been hammering away at the correspondence principle

2009-02-24 Thread mixent
In reply to fznidar...@aol.com's message of Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:26:11 -0500: Hi Frank, [snip] Cold fusion observables have enabled me to take a swipe at the correspondence principle. Section was rewritted to exprss this. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapterb.html#Pg8 You write:- The

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-24 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
leaking pen wrote: Ohh, sorry. My original comment was being sarcastic, in that you had to follow all the laws of the old testament, except, it seems, EATING shellfish or WEARING two fabrics at once, since most evangelicals seem to feel those arent important anymore. I figured that with

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-24 Thread thomas malloy
OrionWorks wrote: Hi Thomas, You brought up many interesting issues for which most are ripe for comment. I will try to restrain myself and endeavor to remain on-topic of this OT subject thread: The Rapture. I asked: I'm puzzled, Thomas. What are your criteria for qualification for rapture

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-24 Thread leaking pen
Sigh. So many forget that last one, and Jesus said he felt it the most important commandment. On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:14 PM, thomas malloy temall...@usfamily.net wrote: OrionWorks wrote: Hi Thomas, You brought up many interesting issues for which most are ripe for comment. I will try to