Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread David Jonsson
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: They say this is an open system, which has the advantage of putting the user in control. Why would it not also put the hacker in control? Look at Wikipedia. It is of high quality despite public control. Someone might

[Vo]:cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Taylor J. Smith
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote on 7-9-09: What's Chrome got? Lovely UI. What's it missing? Cookie control!! You get better tracking cookie control with IE than you do with Chrome! Unless Google has changed this, the concept of arbitrarily limiting cookie lifetimes to the life of the session

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Alexander Hollins
Aside from the fact that you have to be an idiot to install major system components of unknown provenance Yeah. I do tech support. The amount of such things and, you dont find hacked versions of open office becuase, since its free, everyone downloads it from the main company. but i have

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alexander Hollins wrote: and, you dont find hacked versions of open office becuase, since its free, everyone downloads it from the main company. I assume that people will download the Google operating system from Google only. I also assume that Google will have iron-clad control over the

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Alexander Hollins
well, if its open source, then by definition, anyone can edit it and recompile their own version. and, they DO intend to charge for it. Its not going to be free. No matter how cheap they make it, that means people will pirate it. On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Jed

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alexander Hollins wrote: well, if its open source, then by definition, anyone can edit it and recompile their own version. The term open source has different meanings. Thirty years ago it meant that the source code is published, not that anyone could modify it. Obviously that was impossible

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Alexander Hollins
well, if the code is published, then you can modify, even if you have to retype from print and work from there, yes? Its just more work and you have to know what youre doing. On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Jed Rothwelljedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Alexander Hollins wrote: well, if its open

Re: [Vo]:cnn.com: Pickens - Oil baron's wind farm project hits doldrums

2009-07-09 Thread Mauro Lacy
Edmund Storms wrote: And thus we see the basic flaw in wind generation. Unless a backup source of power is in place and can be connected to an active grid, wind power is not practical. You can use an intermediate stage as energy storage. Why not produce Hidrogen with wind (and solar) power,

Re: [Vo]:cnn.com: Pickens - Oil baron's wind farm project hits doldrums

2009-07-09 Thread Mauro Lacy
Mauro Lacy wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: And thus we see the basic flaw in wind generation. Unless a backup source of power is in place and can be connected to an active grid, wind power is not practical. You can use an intermediate stage as energy storage. Why not produce

Re: [Vo]:cnn.com: Pickens - Oil baron's wind farm project hits doldrums

2009-07-09 Thread Edmund Storms
These are all good ideas that have been explored. However, turning an idea into a practical solution to a problem involving megawatts of power and billions of dollars takes a lot of time and capital, which is not available. The issue is not the lack of ideas but the ability to put them

Re: [Vo]:Must See Video

2009-07-09 Thread Mauro Lacy
Jones Beene wrote: Steve Krivit put up a provocative and insightful video on YouTube that has gone almost unnoticed: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bujrxqwRwc0feature=channel_page_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bujrxqwRwc0feature=channel_page It centers on the Frascatti results, and the

Re: [Vo]:Repost of: Oil Glut?

2009-07-09 Thread Mauro Lacy
Jones Beene wrote: It gives us that window of opportunity, one or two years, to provide the technical “miracle” breakthrough in alternative energy which is what we really need to maintain the way of life we treasure so much, and which has been threatened by this stupid dependence on foreign

[Vo]:New Nanopillar Solar Cells Promise One-Third of Current Costs

2009-07-09 Thread OrionWorks
Not sure if this has article has already been brought to the Collective's attention or not: From Daily Tech: New Nanopillar Solar Cells Promise One-Third of Current Costs http://www.dailytech.com/New+Nanopillar+Solar+Cells+Promise+OneThird+of+Current+Costs/article15600.htm

Re: [Vo]:New Nanopillar Solar Cells Promise One-Third of Current Costs

2009-07-09 Thread OrionWorks
Orionworks sez: Not sure if this has article has already been brought to the Collective's attention or not: From Daily Tech: New Nanopillar Solar Cells Promise One-Third of Current Costs http://www.dailytech.com/New+Nanopillar+Solar+Cells+Promise+OneThird+of+Current+Costs/article15600.htm

RE: [Vo]:Repost of: Oil Glut?

2009-07-09 Thread Jeff Fink
What level of reduced prosperity do you aspire to, and how much higher than that are you living now? Will you be downgrading to the use of a library computer? What standard of living do you wish to apply to the rest of us? Should working hard to get ahead be a crime? Jeff -Original

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alexander Hollins wrote: well, if the code is published, then you can modify, even if you have to retype from print and work from there, yes? Its just more work and you have to know what youre doing. Sure. For that matter you can use a reverse compiler and find out how Microsoft Windows

Re: [Vo]:Repost of: Oil Glut?

2009-07-09 Thread Chris Zell
I sometimes wonder if, after the decline of organized religions influence,  the same human emotions remain - especially guilt.  So,  people adopt religious behavior in regard to the environment or carbon trading or whatever.   There are reasons for poverty in the world and corruption and bad

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Alexander Hollins
well, when you consider that there was a virus out there that redirected your microsoft update to their servers, allowing them to make you download updates that look like microsoft's. And theres the current websites that redirect you to what looks like microsofts site unless you look mildly

Re: [Vo]:Repost of: Oil Glut?

2009-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chris Zell wrote: Why should we condemn consumers for wanting a good home, a safe useful car or the ability to support their families? The idea that we are somehow 'stealing' too much of the world's resources so as to impoverish the rest is nonsense. If we all stop eating meat, it won't add

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alexander Hollins wrote: well, when you consider that there was a virus out there that redirected your microsoft update to their servers, allowing them to make you download updates that look like microsoft's. And theres the current websites that redirect you to what looks like microsofts site

Re: [Vo]:Repost of: Oil Glut?

2009-07-09 Thread Mauro Lacy
Jeff Fink wrote: What level of reduced prosperity do you aspire to, and how much higher than that are you living now? Will you be downgrading to the use of a library computer? Absolutely not. The problem is not how well we live or can afford to live, but instead at which social and

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: The number of bugs in a software package decreases at first and then increases, inexorably, to the point where the software becomes unusable. Can you name an example where this has happened? I can't think of one. This sounds like the old theory of evolutionary

Re: [Vo]:cnn.com: Pickens - Oil baron's wind farm project hits doldrums

2009-07-09 Thread Mauro Lacy
Edmund Storms wrote: These are all good ideas that have been explored. However, turning an idea into a practical solution to a problem involving megawatts of power and billions of dollars takes a lot of time and capital, which is not available. The issue is not the lack of ideas but the

RE: [Vo]:Repost of: Oil Glut?

2009-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jeff Fink wrote: What standard of living do you wish to apply to the rest of us? I favor vastly improved standards of living by applying new technology and common sense. See Arthur Clarke, Profiles of the Future for details. Especially chapter 12. As I mentioned, I want everyone to have

Re: [Vo]:Repost of: Oil Glut?

2009-07-09 Thread Mauro Lacy
Jed, I agree with all what you said below. The problem is mostly economic, as the economic system is today a superstructure of the politic system. You cannot sustain an economy and a social system on irrational and innecessary consumption, and its associated exponential growth as a goal. Both are

Re: [Vo]:Repost of: Oil Glut?

2009-07-09 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Jed Rothwelljedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: The cars are decades ahead of ours; washing machines and other gadgets are superbly engineered and last for decades; and the everyday food you buy from the 7-11 on the way home tastes better than American gourmet

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: The number of bugs in a software package decreases at first and then increases, inexorably, to the point where the software becomes unusable. Can you name an example where this has happened? It has happened to every software package I ever wrote which remained

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Alexander Hollins
Its the reason why any software package older than 5 years is up to version 4 or 5 or 12 by now. each new number is a built from scratch variant, to avoid just those problems. On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Jed Rothwelljedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: The number of

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Alexander Hollins wrote: Its the reason why any software package older than 5 years is up to version 4 or 5 or 12 by now. each new number is a built from scratch variant, to avoid just those problems. Was this intended as a joke? It's certainly not true. Just asking.

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: The number of bugs in a software package decreases at first and then increases, inexorably, to the point where the software becomes unusable. Can you name an example where this has happened? It has happened to every software package I

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: You could claim, of course, that Windows NT was a rewrite of the old Windows OS and so it isn't as old as it looks . . . That is exactly what Brooks (and I) have in mind. You have to go back to square one and write the whole thing over again. That does not mean

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Emacs, Linux, Mac OS, Solaris, OpenOffice, MS Word -- would you claim that any of these have simply been left to sit on a shelf, and that's why they haven't become so buggy they can't be used? I meant just the opposite. They have been maintained, which is why MS

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: I gather the operating system for Apple computers has been rewritten from scratch more often than Windows Only if Windows has been rewritten from scratch -1 times. I've been in the Apple code. It's still based on BSD. (I was going to cut out a few pieces as exhibits

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Emacs, Linux, Mac OS, Solaris, OpenOffice, MS Word -- would you claim that any of these have simply been left to sit on a shelf, and that's why they haven't become so buggy they can't be used? I meant just the opposite. They have been

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: They have been maintained, which is why MS Word (for example) is so buggy it can barely be used for some operations, such as multiple-chapter books with include files and endnotes for each chapter. Horse pucky. It could *NEVER* be used for those things -- they're

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Michel Jullian
Plural of virus can't be virii, virii could only be the plural of virius (as in radius, radii) if such a noun existed. Viri would seem more plausible but is also incorrect. Plural of virus is simply viruses, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural_form_of_words_ending_in_-us#Virus Michel

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread OrionWorks
Word Perfect, Word Perfect, wherefor art thou? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Repost of: Oil Glut?

2009-07-09 Thread Chris Zell
Economics is called the dismal science for a good reason.    If we gave up meat or any other resource, the price of said commodity would indeed drop - temporarily.  Once the farmers understood that their market had disappeared, they would liquidate their herds.  After that, meat ( or whatever

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks wrote: Word Perfect, Word Perfect, wherefor art thou? I was forced to give it up, reluctantly, because: It did not work with Japanese. People sent me papers in MS Word format. That's an interesting illustration of the complexity and widespread use that gave Microsoft market

[Vo]:New Energy Times

2009-07-09 Thread Steven Krivit
Subscribers got the link last week...For the rest of you... EDITORIALS AND OPINION 1. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2009/NET32833xj$.shtml#FROMEDFrom the Editor: Nuclear but Not Fusion 2. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2009/NET32833xj$.shtml#TOEDTo the Editor NEWS AND

Re: [Vo]:Repost of: Oil Glut?

2009-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chris Zell wrote: If we gave up meat or any other resource, the price of said commodity would indeed drop - temporarily. Once the farmers understood that their market had disappeared, they would liquidate their herds. After that, meat ( or whatever the dismissed commodity was ) would go up

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jul 9, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Emacs, Linux, Mac OS, Solaris, OpenOffice, MS Word -- would you claim that any of these have simply been left to sit on a shelf, and that's why they haven't become so buggy they can't be used? I meant just the

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jul 9, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: You could claim, of course, that Windows NT was a rewrite of the old Windows OS and so it isn't as old as it looks . . . That is exactly what Brooks (and I) have in mind. You have to go back to square one and

RE: [Vo]:New Energy Times

2009-07-09 Thread Jones Beene
One comment on The Letter to the Editor from John Sutherland - Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. It raises a point that should be clarified. He may be unaware that we can tolerate mention of Randell Mills or Blacklight Power here. Which is to say that when 4He is measured as the ash from LENR,

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: I have heard that Apple is more ruthless about backward compatibility. Microsoft cannot afford to be, because if the new Windows does not work with old hardware, people will eventually throw away their hardware and buy a Mac! I don't know what you mean about ruthless.

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
The New York Times has an editorial about the Google OS. See: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/opinion/09thur4.html?_r=1ref=opinion That shows how important computers have become, and how enmeshed they are in our lives. Not many years ago the Times editorial page would not have known what an

RE: [Vo]:New Energy Times

2009-07-09 Thread Jones Beene
This could be of interest to some: The bump on the chart of slide 6 of this PPT document is residual D2 http://www.frascati.enea.it/nhe/link%20spettrometria.ppt The instrument used here is state of the art, and in a system with perhaps a 7 figure price tag, but it is easily possible

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jul 9, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: I have heard that Apple is more ruthless about backward compatibility. Microsoft cannot afford to be, because if the new Windows does not work with old hardware, people will eventually throw away their hardware and buy

Re: [Vo]:Repost of: Oil Glut?

2009-07-09 Thread Chris Zell
However, the fact is that as cars get older, Sha'ken becomes more and more expensive.  Eventually, if the car stops running well or reaches a certain age (even though it's still a good car), you may have to pay a fee just to get rid of it.  This is the reason why there are so few older cars in

Re: [Vo]:OT: cnn.com: Google takes on Windows with Chrome OS

2009-07-09 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: I have heard that Apple is more ruthless about backward compatibility. Microsoft cannot afford to be, because if the new Windows does not work with old hardware, people will eventually throw away their hardware