RE: [Vo]:Grabowski thinks the effect the NRL is seeing is chemical

2010-07-20 Thread Roarty, Francis X
I found a multi author 2006 ppt including Grabowski on this same subject: Anomalous Heat in Deuterium-Palladium Reactions David A. Kidwell, Allison E. Rogers, Kenneth Grabowski, and David Knies Chemical effect due to Hydrogen-Deuterium exchange may account for some of the ...

RE: [Vo]:Grabowski thinks the effect the NRL is seeing is chemical

2010-07-20 Thread Jones Beene
Fran, This could be an important paper for expanding the concept into an alternative method of chemical thermal cycling - for either heating or cooling purposes. There could be anomalous gain derived from Casimir heating in this kind of situation, but that is not claimed. And it is only

Re: [Vo]:Somewhat OFF TOPIC Merchants of Doubt

2010-07-20 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote: There have been hundreds of these, the most famous being the '77 WOW signal that the Big Ear picked up. I'm sure we all know that high gain antennas obtain their gain by narrowing the beamwidth of the signal.

[Vo]:China Tops U.S. in Energy Use

2010-07-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
I am surprised this has already happened. See: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703720504575376712353150310.html (does not require subscription) U.S. per capita energy consumption is still the highest, and it is 5 times the Chinese rate. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Somewhat OFF TOPIC Merchants of Doubt

2010-07-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: If you consider that the source of the WOW signal might be the same type of narrow beam, fixed antenna. And the planet source is in the same motion as the earth. It's no surprise that you might get a brief burst of intelligence but never see it again due to the motion of

RE: RE: [Vo]:Grabowski thinks the effect the NRL is seeing is chemical

2010-07-20 Thread francis
Oops! Now I see why you recommended the hydrogen bond since the h2 d1 exchange doesn't necessarily require the h2 be disassociated . a cluster of atoms could simply exchange the d1 for h2 using only electrostatic or hydrogen bonding. I got my theories confused at one point and was referring to

RE: [Vo]:Grabowski thinks the effect the NRL is seeing is chemical

2010-07-20 Thread francis
Jones, I inadvertently quoted you out of context in my previous reply supporting a covalent bond when you were clearly advocating hydrogen bonding. Jones Beene said on Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:18:49 -0700 Fran, This could be an important paper for expanding the concept into an alternative

Re: [Vo]:Somewhat OFF TOPIC Merchants of Doubt

2010-07-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: To be effective you would want to send out multiple beams from deep space, repeated for thousands of years, from an antenna orbiting the star or on the surface of an airless planet . . . Even something as elaborate as this will eventually cost a trivial amount. It seems to me that

Re: [Vo]:Somewhat OFF TOPIC Merchants of Doubt

2010-07-20 Thread francis
Jed Rothwell To be effective you would want to send out multiple beams from deep space, repeated for thousands of years, from an antenna orbiting the star or on the surface of an airless planet . . . Even something as elaborate as this will eventually cost a trivial amount. It seems to

Re: [Vo]:Somewhat OFF TOPIC Merchants of Doubt

2010-07-20 Thread Kyle Mcallister
--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: If it was an interstellar communication and it happened to impinge on earth, it would have stayed pointed in our direction for a long time. Ditto for a deliberate signal to attract our attention and announce the existence of

Re: [Vo]:Somewhat OFF TOPIC Merchants of Doubt

2010-07-20 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:41:34 -0400: Hi, [snip] So, based on this, I conclude that the galaxy is not filled with millions of intelligent species in civilizations that have lasted for hundreds of thousands or millions of years, and achieved much greater wealth