Re: [Vo]:Book by John Michell- E-Cat ..note Obituary for Michell

2011-05-23 Thread Michael Foster
Now Jed you shouldn't have brought Shakespeare into this discussion. Makes an old Oxfordian such as myself bristle. I have a lot of expert company too. I agree with you about Bacon, though. Denialism? Neologism? M. --- On Mon, 5/23/11, Jed Rothwell wrote: > From: Jed Rothwell > Subject: Re:

[Vo]:Philosophy as complementary science

2011-05-23 Thread Harry Veeder
http://www.philosophypress.co.uk/?p=375 Philosophy as complementary science Written by: Hasok Chang | Appears in: Issue 40 Hasok Chang sees a new role for the history and philosophy of science What is the use of philosophy? That is a challenging question to answer in the modern intellectual lan

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude at it

2011-05-23 Thread Rich Murray
Worse than not believing in calorimetry or even the laws of thermodynamics,"I" am unable to treat any perception, sensation, emotion, memory, word, concept, history, or identity as actual and real. What's here is single entire unified creative fractal hyperinfinity. The tiniest spot of a fractal

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude at it

2011-05-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rich Murray wrote: > I agree also with Cude's evaluation that there is no replicable > evidence for any form of cold fusion since 1989: > That can only mean you do not believe that calorimetry works. I presume you also believe the laws of thermodynamics are unproven, since they are also based o

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude at it

2011-05-23 Thread Rich Murray
Rich Murray: Lomax: " I pointed out that.we won't know *absolutely for sure* until there are multiple fully independent replications or verifications.My view is that "fraud" can't be completely ruled out. It has been pointed out that a fraud could use different mechanisms in different demo

Re: [Vo]:First eCAT Book - John Michel ???

2011-05-23 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Some John Michell info from Twitter: "Writer, Economist, Scientist, New Currencies, New Energy Systems." http://twitter.com/xecnet And he has published one book before: The Leadership Delusion (2007) http://www.amazon.com/The-Leadership-Delusion-ebook/dp/B004YEN7DA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&m=A3EQ858DH

[Vo]:Hafnium Revisited : Sadoc et al 2004

2011-05-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher
I started to rummage around in google looking for hydrogen/nickel/lattice stuff. (WAY out of my expertise, of course ... I last did any QM/solid state physics back in the 60's .. but THAT never stopped me ..) http://72.22.18.215/s_mrs/bin.asp?CID=2653&DID=60819&DOC=FILE.PDF   The Evolution of S

Re: [Vo]:First eCAT Book - John Michel ???

2011-05-23 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
It seems to me that ANYONE attempting to publish a book on Rossi's e-Cats at this stage of the game would turn out to be a grossly premature venture. What could they possibly say that would be of any substance other than gossip. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/ori

Re: [Vo]:First eCAT Book - John Michel ???

2011-05-23 Thread Jouni Valkonen
This might be interesting. I tried to google John's background as a writer but it was difficult, because there is another writer with the same name. Does not help that that other John Michell was (died in 2009) very productive non-science writer. Does anyone know eCat-John's bibliography and/or bac

Re: [Vo]:Third suspect in Mallove murder

2011-05-23 Thread albedo5
Jed, Thank you for posting this. Even though I didn't know Gene that well, he touched my life with his sincerity and dedication. How anyone like that could go what is described here is just unfathomable. A part of me almost wishes the conspiracy folks were right; at least his death would have m

Re: [Vo]:All that has happened until now has been prologue to what really matters

2011-05-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > People will not forget that the experts were wrong. Robert Park and Frank > Close will be a laughingstock for centuries to come, the way the Rev. > Wilburforce is, for debating T. H. Huxley about evolution and making an ass > of himself. > That sorta contradicts what I wrote earlier

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on Radio interview ?

2011-05-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Craig Haynie wrote: This is terrible news. That show has negative credibility... I think it is fair to say that Rossi does not worry much about his credibility. That's kind of endearing, yet frustrating. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on Radio interview ?

2011-05-23 Thread Terry Blanton
Yeah, it's very late night and only insomniacs hear it. It used to be called the Art Bell Show. Remember "Art's Parts"? http://keelynet.com/rodbism.htm Art remarried and moved to the Philippines. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Bell T On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > h

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on Radio interview ?

2011-05-23 Thread Craig Haynie
This is terrible news. That show has negative credibility... On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 13:48 -0700, Jones Beene wrote: > http://pesn.com/2011/03/24/9501795_Andrea_Rossi_with_Sterling_Allan_on_Coast > _to_Coast_AM/ Craig

[Vo]:Rossi on Radio interview ?

2011-05-23 Thread Jones Beene
http://pesn.com/2011/03/24/9501795_Andrea_Rossi_with_Sterling_Allan_on_Coast _to_Coast_AM/ <>

Re: [Vo]:Book by John Michell- E-Cat ..note Obituary for Michell

2011-05-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Ron Kita wrote: Houston there seems to be a problem .with author John Michell- died april 24, 2009: This can be found via wiki.. stoke in England --seems to be correct. Ah ha. Another case like William Shakespeare, whose plays were not written by him but by another man of the sam

RE: [Vo]:Rossi: NO MORE TESTS and other stuff

2011-05-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Andrea Rossi May 23rd, 2011 at 2:33 PM Dear Mr Pietro F. We do net need somebody else make a research of what happens in the reactors, because we know now exactly what happens. Warm regards, A.R. - - -- - Charlie Zimmerman May 23rd, 2011 at 12:29 PM Dear Mr Rossi, Congratulations on your mo

Re: [Vo]:Book by John Michell- E-Cat ..note Obituary for Michell

2011-05-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:20 PM 5/23/2011, you wrote: Greetings Vortex-L: Houston there seems to be a problem .with author John Michell- died april 24, 2009: This can be found via wiki.. stoke in England --seems to be correct. Ron Kita, Chiralex But Amazon lists a whole bunch of books by John Michel

[Vo]:Book by John Michell- E-Cat ..note Obituary for Michell

2011-05-23 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex-L: Houston there seems to be a problem .with author John Michell- died april 24, 2009: This can be found via wiki.. stoke in England --seems to be correct. Ron Kita, Chiralex

[Vo]:Third suspect in Mallove murder

2011-05-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.norwichbulletin.com/carousel/x1555988219/Police-have-3rd-suspect-in-Eugene-Mallove-killing I can barely bring myself to read about this, even now. I simply cannot imagine how Gene's family feels. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:All that has happened until now has been prologue to what really matters

2011-05-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Your analysis may be accurate, even if aspects are disquieting to me. What concerns me is that if most of society in general shows no interest in educating themselves to the conflicts and internal bickering that birthed bastardized new technologies like CF...

Re: [Vo]:OT (sort of) - A funny thing happened on the way to the Rapture

2011-05-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:50 PM 5/23/2011, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: If "in the unlikely event..." (...as airline attendants are so fond of saying) Rossi's Wunder-Cats turn out to be a complete fraud I suspect it would be a really tough weekend for you, Jed. I can tell you with absolute certainty it woul

Re: [Vo]:OT (sort of) - A funny thing happened on the way to the Rapture

2011-05-23 Thread Axil Axil
Rossi is only interested in targeting his demos to his selected investor community. If all the rest of us are convinced that the Rossi reactor is the savior of mankind, there will be extreme pressure for him to reveal the inner workings of his reactor. To advance his general commercial interests an

Re: [Vo]:problems with the catalyst?

2011-05-23 Thread Axil Axil
The warping or deterioration of the nano-powder must be avoided or minimized to preserve the very important pitted surface structure of the nickel nano-powder catalyst(NiO). This service life of this pure nickel surface determines the service life of the Rossi fuel. Excess heat production will caus

Re: [Vo]:OT (sort of) - A funny thing happened on the way to the Rapture

2011-05-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:44 PM 5/23/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: But, horror of horrors, if Rossi turns out to be a sophisticated scam artist, and we didn't catch that fact before the hard-core skeptics expose the truth, we would be forced to assess whether our harsh opinion of h

Re: [Vo]:Gettering

2011-05-23 Thread Axil Axil
Not all the elements that comprise the Rossi ash have been revealed by the Swedes. If chromium is found in the ash between 1% and 3%, the iron could well come from the scrubbing of stainless steel. On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > There has been a fair amount of curiosity

Re: [Vo]:problems with the catalyst?

2011-05-23 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Terry, The MAHG devices appeared better able to demonstrate some over unity when new but then always seemed to peter out before any really robust demonstration - I think Rossi is likewise less worried about explosion and more worried about destroying the geometry and the segregation of enriched

Re: [Vo]:problems with the catalyst?

2011-05-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Peter Gluck wrote: > I hope that there is an other explanation My guess is, the higher the gain, the lower the stability. He keeps the gain low so it does not go "boom". T

Re: [Vo]:Re: First eCAT Book - John Michel ???

2011-05-23 Thread Andrea Selva
Nice to see that beside Rossi, other are trying to make money from this N-th energy-tale 2011/5/23 Alan J Fletcher > Also on amazon > > http://www.amazon.com/Rossis-eCat-Energy-Money-People/dp/0955782635/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1306176003&sr=1-1 > Cover : http://ecx.images-amazon.com/ima

Re: [Vo]:OT (sort of) - A funny thing happened on the way to the Rapture

2011-05-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: But, horror of horrors, if Rossi turns out to be a sophisticated scam artist, and we didn't catch that fact before the hard-core skeptics expose the truth, we would be forced to assess whether our harsh opinion of hard-core skeptics is really deserving. Ther

[Vo]:Re: First eCAT Book - John Michel ???

2011-05-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Also on amazon http://www.amazon.com/Rossis-eCat-Energy-Money-People/dp/0955782635/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1306176003&sr=1-1 Cover : http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/414Wx5jfu5L._SS500_.jpg

[Vo]:First eCAT Book - John Michel ???

2011-05-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher
http://www.whsmith.co.uk/CatalogAndSearch/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductID=9780955782633 Rossi's eCat: Free Energy, Free Money, Free People John Michell Format: Paperback Availability: Pre-order - released on 19th Sep 2011

Re: [Vo]:OT (sort of) - A funny thing happened on the way to the Rapture

2011-05-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 1:50 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > It would be tough for me because I would have to take a long hard look > at my discrimination skills, or more precisely the apparent lack of > them. Nothing is wrong with your discrimination skills if you are not allowed to

RE: [Vo]:Rossi uses sputtering for enrichment

2011-05-23 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
Interesting. There's a counter-intuitive effect: When an evaporative house cooler is ducted to skim the boundary layer from a hot roof, the output air is cooler than for the normal inlet configurations. I was hypothesizing that since water gas is lighter than N², it would diffuse away from the r

Re: [Vo]:OT (sort of) - A funny thing happened on the way to the Rapture

2011-05-23 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
>From Jed: ... > It does make me wonder how I would respond if I discovered that > cold fusion is not real, and all those researchers were mistaken > or fraudulent. I cannot deny I have an emotional investment. > That event would surely bother me a lot more than, say, > learning that special rela

Re: [Vo]:Rossi uses sputtering for enrichment

2011-05-23 Thread Axil Axil
I believe that Rossi is using the Soret effect to enrich the heavy isotopes of nickel when he formulates nickel oxide powder from pure nickel nano-powder. Background: *Thermophoresis* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermophoresis [quote]*Thermophoresis*, *thermodiffusion*, or *Soret effec

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude at it, part 2

2011-05-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:45 PM 5/22/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: This is a good analysis. Thanks. I've been working on this one for a while Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <a...@lomaxdesign.com> wrote: But there is another problem with measuring helium quantitatively, which is capturing it.

[Vo]:problems with the catalyst?

2011-05-23 Thread Peter Gluck
Some disturbing answers at Rossi's blog Andrea Rossi May 22nd, 2011 at 4:15 PM Dear Dr Grasso Salvatore: No more demo-tests will be done. Our Customers will test by themselves if our guarantees will be maintained. Warm rega

Re: [Vo]:OT (sort of) - A funny thing happened on the way to the Rapture

2011-05-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harold Camping says he is "flabbergasted" the world did not end. He seems disappointed, saying "It has been a really tough weekend." See: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/22/BAKO1JJIK7.DTL Another quote from some guy who is a fan of Camping: "The middle-aged Oakland resid

Re: [Vo]:All that has happened until now has been prologue to what really matters

2011-05-23 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
>From Jed: ... > ... People in the future > will know nothing about the difference between PCs and Macs, because both > will eventually become obsolete and will be forgotten. People will have > radio, and computers, and cold fusion. They will know nothing about the > diffic

[Vo]:Gettering

2011-05-23 Thread Jones Beene
There has been a fair amount of curiosity about the 11% iron discovered in isotopic analysis by the Swedes in the Rossi sample. It was not radioactive, and is therefore unlikely to be ash from a nuclear reaction. What is its purpose? Rossi says it is a contaminant from stainless steel, but that i

[Vo]:All that has happened until now has been prologue to what really matters

2011-05-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
People have suggested that Abd should take some time to document Joshua Cude's statements. I'd rather see Abd work on his neutron experiments. The fact is, Cude is unimportant. Morrison was unimportant. The DoE review panels hardly mattered. Apart from the experiments by Fleischmann and Pons and s

RE: [Vo]:Article in French about cold fusion and Rossi

2011-05-23 Thread Jones Beene
. Michel Julian seems to be strangely quiet on Rossi From: Jed Rothwell I don't see many links from the French press. Here is one: http://www.agoravox.fr/actualites/technologies/article/vers-un-nucleaire-vra iment-propre-94583 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude at it, part 3

2011-05-23 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
>From Abd: ... > "aleklett" is a true skeptic, and is to be > congratulated. He's very clearly stated the > matter. If this isn't a fraud, something is > going on that existing theory does not explain. > Isn't that fascinating? Not only is it fascinating, in my view, it's the whole ball of wax.

[Vo]:Rossi uses sputtering for enrichment

2011-05-23 Thread Roarty, Francis X
The Soret effect and isotopic fractionation in high-temperature silicate melts http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v473/n7345/full/nature09911.html [snip]Furthermore, large enhancements in the relative concentrations of heavy isotopes have been observed at the cold end of such gradients5

[Vo]:Article in French about cold fusion and Rossi

2011-05-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
I don't see many links from the French press. Here is one: http://www.agoravox.fr/actualites/technologies/article/vers-un-nucleaire-vraiment-propre-94583 - Jed