On 19 Oct 2011, at 04:48, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
A new understanding of flux pinning is the most important relation in 100
years. The magnet floats on the superconductor. Apply an RF field of 10
mega hertz to a small disk and the magnet drops. That what I saw, so what
you say. Now
Hi Horace,
I find your posts quite interesting and you seem to have a rational rather
than emotional approach which makes for good reading.
I just read your reply to Dave and as it seemed to make the ECat (and my
kettle) impossible I thought I'd double check some of your calculations and
I think
On Oct 18, 2011, at 4:25 PM, David Roberson wrote:
Hi Horace,
Thank you for the kind welcome into vortex. I suspect that my
oversized attachment tunneled through the barrier; maybe using the
same path as Rossi's device.
It must have a long de Broglie wavelength. My guess is the mass
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Von: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net
An: Vortex vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 19.10.2011 03:50
Betreff: [Vo]:Is it possible Rossi has already tested his 1 MW prototype behind
closed doors?
I believe it has been conjectured
I think the 1 MW demo is kind of perpetuum stabile second class; cannot
work being a too complex combination of unreliable
non-controllable components.
I wonder that no one has organized bets re its success/failure
Peter (I had been Peter much more time than collega Heckert)
On Wed, Oct 19,
On Oct 18, 2011, at 10:50 PM, Colin Hercus wrote:
Hi Horace,
I find your posts quite interesting and you seem to have a rational
rather than emotional approach which makes for good reading.
I just read your reply to Dave and as it seemed to make the ECat
(and my kettle) impossible I
On Oct 18, 2011, at 9:55 PM, David Roberson wrote:
Hello Frank,
You have an impressive understanding of the flux pinning theory.
Can you give me an answer to my question? It appears that energy
can be put into the floating disk-magnet combination by pushing or
pulling against the
On Oct 18, 2011, at 9:55 PM, David Roberson wrote:
Hello Frank,
You have an impressive understanding of the flux pinning theory.
Can you give me an answer to my question? It appears that energy
can be put into the floating disk-magnet combination by pushing or
pulling against the
Thanks for all the interesting links. I hope to research more types such as
Stirling engines and more small turbines.
Here in the Phoenix Arizona US area I calculated a 1 megawatt electrical
generator would yield US$200,000 per year by analyzing the state tariffs
( It'll be fun sending bills to
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:52 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
I wonder that no one has organized bets re its success/failure
Good point. I weighed in at 800 kW and Jones says 250. I suppose we
need to set an average or peak claim on these numbers.
I was thinking in terms of a
However at this size, duration, continuity are essential, the demo is
organized Friday and perhaps all the special people present want to enjoy
the weekend so the demo will be stopped Friday night.
(i.e. aborted)
A minimal techno-decency means that this demo if it works, should continue
for a few
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Von: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 19.10.2011 14:40
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Is it possible Rossi has already tested his 1 MW prototype
behind closed doors?
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:52 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
An individual fat-Cat may run longer than 4 hours on the average run, and he
probably expected at least 8 hours based on the original time schedule. But
also - it was clear (to a few of us) that Rossi had most likely faced this
exact problem before (rapid
On Oct 19, 2011, at 5:39 AM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
[snip]
Somebody has calculated, at 1MW the steam must go supersonic with
this output tube.
Then, with 100 kW it must still go some 100 km/h.
[snip]
I got 803 km/hr, which is less than the speed of sound. You may want
to check
These links are for piston steam engines. I believe small turbines, or
MicroTurbines as they are called, are a better solution. Capstone and
others are developing them.
- Jed
On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 23:01 -0400, Jed Rothwell wrote:
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I asked Mr. Rossi whether or not he has tested several ECATS
together in a moderate sized configuration to determine how
well they function as a team. He responded yes to
The answer to your question can be given only by experiment. Rossi claims
his system is absolutely different
from all the other LENRs so what happens in an Arata Cell is not valid for
the E-cat.
It is now the time Rossi should predict the duration of the
1 MW demo- and this cannot be a few hours.
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
The answer to your question can be given only by experiment.
I gather the question being: Will this system run indefinitely without
input power? Indefinitely is an indefinite description, meaning I do not
know how long it might run. There is no question
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
On a related topic I have also been under the impression that Rossi
was NOT planning on producing steam as the final output product - only
hot water below the temperature of 100 C.
That is what he said months ago. Evidently he
I agree with what you say, however I cannot believe
the story of the factory heated with such an generator.
Actually it was a lot of involution in E-cats from the start till now (e.g.
O/U from a spectacular 200:1 to a modest 6;1, power form 12 to 3 kW) but so
much regress is not believable.
Peter
Hi Horace,
That is an interesting idea you have suggested. I was thinking along the same
lines until I realized that the energy was never returned by reversing the
movement. Does compressing the B into a higher average pressure result in
storage of the energy instead of converting it into
Am 19.10.2011 16:19, schrieb Horace Heffner:
On Oct 19, 2011, at 5:39 AM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
[snip]
Somebody has calculated, at 1MW the steam must go supersonic with
this output tube.
Then, with 100 kW it must still go some 100 km/h.
[snip]
I got 803 km/hr, which is less than
From Jed:
On a related topic I have also been under the impression
that Rossi was NOT planning on producing steam as the final
output product - only hot water below the temperature of 100 C.
That is what he said months ago. Evidently he changed his mind.
It would be rather challenging to
I like the induction generator for safety reasons. When the power goes off it
revives no vars and shouts down without back feed.
I do believe that there my be a way to extract electric energy directly from
the LENR process. I have kept this to myself for years.
-Original
Jed
I find the heat after death nomenclature to be a bit weird. I think Rossi's self sustaining
mode is more descriptive. Any idea where heat after death originated?
Ron
--On Wednesday, October 19, 2011 11:02 AM -0400 Jed Rothwell
jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Peter Gluck
Hello Steven,
I have seen evidence of a check valve at the output of the ECAT tested in
October. This would be expected if many units are to make a contribution to
the final steam output port. Indications are that it opens cleanly when the
pressure within the ECAT is around 2 bars. I am
Is it posible the RF signal is warming the superconductor just above
the critical temperature so that it drops?
Harry
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:48 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
A new understanding of flux pinning is the most important relation in 100
years. The magnet floats on the
-Micro-turbines (capstone et al) have low efficiency compressor and turbines
and under 100kW probably won't work at all until the temperatures are
600°C, and then only with very low efficiency (15%). MW scale might get
up to 20%.
-Micro steam turbines are very inefficient, (steam's high specific
Note that superconductors have zero resistance only for DC. At all frequencies
above DC, the resistance is finite and there is penetration. Consider also
that true DC extends from time -infinity to +infinity as a constant. Moving
the superconductor in a magnetic field does create resistance
Actually pretty easy, just parallel together 3-4 truck radiators or 10 car
radiators (quite cheap) with standard cooling fans on them and pump water
around with an open header tank.
Or spray hot water in air stream from a fan and collect it in a catch tank
for re-use (as thermal power stations
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 11:51 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
This does not bode well from my POV. Granted it is conceivable that
Rossi DOES have access to a fire hydrant's worth of flowing water, and
running that much water through his prototype is what he
Robert Lynn wrote:
Actually pretty easy, just parallel together 3-4 truck radiators or 10
car radiators (quite cheap) with standard cooling fans on them and
pump water around with an open header tank.
Wow. You are right. A large truck produces 425 hp, which is 316 kW. It
takes a lot more
Again, mostly harmless. Even a little amusing. ;-)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2011/10/19/end-of-world-nigh-cf-demo-could-be-postponed/
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Dennis Cravens pointed out to me that you do not need a fire hydrant
water main to do this test with water only, instead of steam. You can
use a heavy-duty pump and pump the water from a swimming pool, through
the device, and back to the swimming pool.
That is another clever idea which never
I wrote:
I guess you would do this as flow calorimetry where the inlet temperature
keeps rising. It is not generally a good idea let the inlet temperature
fluctuate, but in this case I guess you have to live with that.
I should point out that Dennis has in mind using the temperature of the
Henk Houkes sent me a brief analysis and spreadsheet with a first order
calculation of the effects of the steam pipe on the outlet thermocouple
in Rossi's October 6 test. He estimates that the steam pipe contributes
0.1°C to the temperature registered by the thermocouple. He explains:
The
The power requirements for a large truck are enormous. Maybe Rossi's 1
Megawatt steam generator is not as powerful as we are thinking as it would
barely be capable of powering one of those trucks at full capacity(316 KW x 3).
I see that the latest 1 Megawatt BIG CAT will need a slight size
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
-Micro-turbines (capstone et al) have low efficiency compressor and turbines
and under 100kW probably won't work at all until the temperatures are
600°C, and then only with very low efficiency (15%).
I have heard that a Rossi reactor can go to
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 1:37 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Again, mostly harmless.
How many strikes does one get in this ball game?
T
Terry sez:
Again, mostly harmless.
How many strikes does one get in this ball game?
I'll get back to you AFTER tomorrow. ;-)
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
I don't know. I was looking for anomalous energy and did not follow through on
the loss of the circulating currrent. That sort of happened. I detected no
anomalous energy or gravitational anomaly.
-Original Message-
From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l
thanks for the info
-Original Message-
From: Higgins Bob-CBH003 bob.higg...@motorolasolutions.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 8:48 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:quantum levitation
Note that superconductors have zero resistance only for DC. At all frequencies
Previous Message:Is it posible the RF signal is warming the superconductor just
abovethe critical temperature so that it drops?
Actually, a strong-enough magnetic field can also overcome the superconducting
condition. The super conductivity returns as soon as the field is weakened or
How are S-C currents not DC?
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation
From: fznidar...@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:19:59 -0400
thanks for the info
-Original Message-
From: Higgins Bob-CBH003 bob.higg...@motorolasolutions.com
To: vortex-l
I have uploaded some stuff informally without changing the file names much
and without adding them to the index system. See:
http://lenr-canr.org/RossiData/
I do not recall who authored this one:
http://lenr-canr.org/RossiData/Sept%207%20Rossi%20test%20graph.png
Horace: Please send me the
I have also tried to stimulate nickel and palladium wires in a nitrogen bath
with RF energy. The cryogenics were intended to extend the domain of the
superconductivity. The RF was tuned from 60 to 1000 mega hertz. No anomalous
energy was produced. go to page six of the link below and the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Pacific_Big_Boy
I already posted a picture of the above as an example of a machine
that had thermal power of at least 10MW.
Those locomotives were made around 1940. They ran at 80mph max speed.
All locomotives of the Big Boy model worked for at least 20 years,
Terry,
you mean this?
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg53062.html
mic
2011/10/19 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 11:51 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
This does not bode well from my POV. Granted it is
Say that initially the superconductor was brought into its SC state not
in the presence of magnetic fields. At that time there are nominally no
supercurrents. As you bring the SC into the presence of a magnet a
supercurrent must form that previously did not exist to prevent
penetration of the
Two more added:
http://lenr-canr.org/RossiData/Higgins%20Oct%206%2027kWreactorDiagram3.png
http://lenr-canr.org/RossiData/Higgins%20Oct%206%20Ecat_27kw_Test_20111006_AnalysisBH8.zip
- Jed
Thanks again for the information.
Didn't these just dissipate heat by venting the steam to the atmosphere?
That seems wasteful.
-Original Message-
From: Michele Comitini [mailto:michele.comit...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 2:33 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re:
I think this can be broken down into two components. A transient plus a DC
current would define the process. The DC part would be steady for the length
of time that you make the observation. The transient current takes care of
the changing part. By your definition of DC, there is no
RF cavity is used in particle accelerators. Those things are AC yet
they dissipate very little, if I recall correctly a stationary RF in
one
of those lasts for months. They spend more energy for keeping things cool.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_Radio_Frequency
mic
2011/10/19
Probably a Freudian slip but I wrote:
There is a reason why people nowadays demand ultrahigh-tech
test-everything-to-the-n'th degree before you turn on the first time,
and OSHA rules galore. It is a conspiracy to prevent innovation.
I meant it is NOT a conspiracy to prevent innovation. That
Michele Comitini wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Pacific_Big_Boy
I already posted a picture of the above as an example of a machine
that had thermal power of at least 10MW.
Those locomotives were made around 1940. They ran at 80mph max speed. . . .
Sure. No one disputes that
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Michele Comitini
michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
Terry,
you mean this?
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg53062.html
Yes! He said he would use diathermic oil. This seems to be common in
Italy with several patents held by Italian inventors.
http://ecat.com
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NuNNicWV6kfeature=player_embedded
mic
p.s. www.e-cat.com now goes to google/green is this a joke or what???
I think what we are seeing in this case is that the niobium which is in a
superconducting state, surrounds the space we are using as a cavity; therefore,
we are still looking at the superconducting material as being an impenetrable
magnetic barrier, a barrier that happens to completely
http://www.youreporter.it/foto_Incendio_alla_centrale_elettrica_foto_dei_pompieri_1_1
That electric transformer contained diathermic oil!
I know it is not easy to handle as it can burn as any mineral oil.
mic
2011/10/20 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 5:38 PM,
I have magnetized a torroid S-C by moving a nearby magnet away from it. (the
magnet was present as it was cooling into the S-C state. I could move the
magnet in a different direction and make the S-C torus into an opposite kind of
magnet. I don't see how else one could induce a current in a
Ron Wormus prot...@frii.com wrote:
I find the heat after death nomenclature to be a bit weird.
It is a bit weird. I use it from force of habit.
There is some benefit to preserving technical terminology with
peculiar etymology or mistaken etymology: you can look up the early papers
on the
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Michele Comitini
michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
http://ecat.com
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NuNNicWV6kfeature=player_embedded
Two questions:
1) What is the white crystalline substance the man with gloves is
removing from the top of the eCat at
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Michele Comitini
michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.youreporter.it/foto_Incendio_alla_centrale_elettrica_foto_dei_pompieri_1_1
That electric transformer contained diathermic oil!
I know it is not easy to handle as it can burn as any mineral oil.
Yes,
2011/10/19 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
I should point out that Dennis has in mind using the temperature of the
water in the swimming pool, rather than the flow Delta T.
That seems tricky to me because the test will run for many hours and it is
I do not believe that megawatt
Ni Palladium must much be colder than liq N
Unless perhaps they are part an ceramic oxide, similar to YCBO or are part of
certain thin layer phenomena.
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation
From: fznidar...@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:52:06 -0400
I have also tried
2011/10/19 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 1:37 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Again, mostly harmless.
How many strikes does one get in this ball game?
Actually this one is correct, but a little bit misinformed, because
the cold
. . . you'll love duqu:
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/security/3311788/duqu-trojan-precursor-next-stuxnet-symantec-warns/
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
. . . you'll love duqu:
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/security/3311788/duqu-trojan-precursor-next-stuxnet-symantec-warns/
All Stuxnet did was take out most of the Iranian centrifuges.
Brushehr could become Iran's
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:05 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Would we test it on our own drones?
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/drone-virus-nuisance/
Naa, that would be like testing LSD on our own soldiers.
You are having a lot of fun William. I am assuming that some of the flux from
your permanent magnet is passing through the toroid. Any change in the coupled
flux will generate a voltage around the S-C loop. This voltage of course
would cause a current to flow through the zero ohm nature
I have been trying to understand the unusual behavior of the ECAT water input
pump. It appears that the same pump was used in both of the recent
demonstrations. Mats Lewan made excellent notes during his September test that
accurately measured the pump output at several points in time. The
- Original Nachricht
Von: Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 20.10.2011 01:17
Betreff: [Vo]:ecat.com video interview with Stremmenos
http://ecat.com
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NuNNicWV6kfeature=player_embedded
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