Re: [Vo]:Re:

[Bob Higgins]

One could compare the gamma emission of the metal as a powder with a
corresponding similar mass of the same metal as a solid geometric form (say
a sphere).  Then using ordinary rules for absorption (not extraordinary
rules), what should the activity be?  I am sure this has been done, and if
there was an extraordinary difference, it would have long since been
researched and reported.

Bob


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:06 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:36 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 Surely that depends on the distribution of the radioisotope within the
 metal?
 Since you created this hypothetical substance, it's up to you to say
 whether or
 not that's the case. ;)


 No doubt.  :)  But for my hypothetical substance, I will choose a
 realistic substance -- an ampule of ordinary cesium (pure but not enriched
 in any way).  How do we know that any of the gammas emitted by an ampule
 originate from within the bulk of the cesium rather than being limited to
 the surface?


 It occurs to me that earlier I had hypothesized a pure gamma emitter (such
 a thing may not exist, and even if any do, there may be no metals among
 them).  But I think my first question about what we know about the region
 where the gammas are emitted (whether we can say for sure that some of them
 come from the bulk) is still relevant to the ampule of cesium.

 Eric

[Vo]:Automated Storage and Retrieval System at a library

[Jed Rothwell]

This is somewhat off-topic, but it is a subject that has long interested
me: how new technology is sometimes used to prolong the life of obsolescent
technology.

This article describes a new library at the University of Chicago. All the
books are stored underground in a gigantic three-dimensional array
accessible only by robotics elevators.

QUOTE:

The Joe and Rika Mansueto Library's ASRS will shelve materials underground
by size rather than library classification, in racks 50 feet high, with a
capacity to hold 3.5 million volumes in one-seventh of the space of
conventional shelves.

Reducing stack space by a factor of seven is a remarkable accomplishment.

I am sure that 50 to 100 years from now, all new books will be published in
electronic form only, and all the books now in this library will be
scanned. There will be no need to bring them up from the stacks by elevator
in order to physically hand them over to students. Even today, that is
essentially and obsolescent activity.

E-book readers have finally achieved contrast as good as paper. I expect
they will soon have resolution and color better than paper. They will be
larger, and they may even become somewhat flexible, like paper. When that
happens, there will be no point to printing paper books for most uses. I
suppose people will want some paper books for small children, or for things
they often read, or just as nostalgic decoration. But the vast majority of
books will be electronic. Reference books already are electronic.

There is nothing wrong with prolonging the life of old technology. It is a
good idea. You might as well get the most out of your sunk-cost
investments. It is probably cheaper to bring the books to the students now
than it would be to scan them all, and e-books are still not as good as
paper ones in some ways.

There are many other interesting examples this. One of my favorites was the
use of steam tugboats to improve the performance of sailing ships after
1850. The so-called extreme clipper ships would not have been possible
without steam tugboats to bring them into harbor. These were the fastest
and most beautiful commercial sailing ships ever made. We see pictures of
them and we assume they represent sailing ships throughout the ages, but in
fact they were only made for about 20 years. They were designed with modern
knowledge of physics and engineering, so they look quite different from
traditional ships. The Flying Cloud was one of the most spectacular. The
Flying Cloud lasted 23 years which was much longer than most ships at that
time.  By modern standards most of them were disposable objects. Modern
ships are intended to last for decades and dozens of trips, whereas the
extreme clippers lasted only five years or so. The masts and rigging were
so stressed by the extreme performance they had to be refitted after every
voyage. You can see how they piled on sails in this picture:

http://www.sailmsc.com/Boats/club/pix/flying%20club%20full%20sail.jpg

http://www.sailmsc.com/Boats/club/flying_cloud.htm

The use of steel hulls in sailing ships is another example of bolstering
the old with the new.

There was a long period during which both steamships and sailing ships were
used, from the 1850s to the early 20th century. I do not think that fossil
fuels and other energy sources will compete with cold fusion for that many
decades.

- Jed

[Vo]:Cyclone Power Technologies Adds Dr. Yeong Kim, to its Team

[H Veeder]

Cyclone Power Technologies Adds Renowned Nuclear Physicist, Dr. Yeong Kim,
to its Technical Advisory Team

Dec 03, 2013 (ACCESSWIRE via COMTEX) -- POMPANO BEACH, FL, December 3,
2013. Cyclone Power Technologies Inc. (otcqb:CYPW), developer of the
all-fuel, clean-tech Cyclone Engine, announced today that it has added to
its technical consulting and advisory team Dr. Yeong E. Kim, professor and
Group Leader of the Nuclear and Many-Body Theory Group at Purdue University.

Dr. Kim is a nuclear physicist who has authored or co-authored over 200
scientific journal publications during his career. He received his Ph.D. in
1963 from the University of California, Berkeley, followed by a
postdoctoral position at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. Dr. Kim is
currently Director of Purdue Center for Sensing Science and Technology
(CSST), Group Leader of Purdue Nuclear and Many-Body Theory Group, and
Professor of Physics at Purdue University. His main area of research has
been theoretical nuclear physics, including the practical achievability of
low energy nuclear reactions (LENR), or cold fusion. Dr. Kim has published
widely on this subject, as well as condensed matter physics, atomic,
molecular and optical physics, nuclear astrophysics, and quantum
statistical mechanics. Since 1978, he served on advisory committees for
numerous government agencies and international conferences covering diverse
topics of nuclear physics. He has been a Fellow of the American Physical
Society since 1977.

Christopher Nelson, President of Cyclone, stated: We are truly honored to
have someone of Dr. Kim's incredible credentials and immense understanding
of the nuclear sciences join us at Cyclone. We would also like to thank
Nick Connor of The Energy Trust LLC of Indiana for his vision and hard work
in bringing us together.

Like much of the public, we have many questions about low energy nuclear
reactions and want to make sure we have the best person on our team help us
evaluate its viability. If such low-cost heat producing technology can
ultimately be commercialized, we believe it will require integration with a
Cyclone Engine - the same compact, high-efficiency external heat engine
which can more immediately run on natural gas or virtually any other fuel
to cogenerate electricity and heat for a home or business. For such a
possibility we owe it to our current and future shareholders to be prepared
and well educated,...

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/cyclone-power-technologies-adds-renowned-nuclear-physicist-dr-yeong-kim-to-its-technical-advisory-team-2013-12-03?reflink=MW_news_stmp

Re: [Vo]:Cyclone Power Technologies Adds Dr. Yeong Kim, to its Team

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Wow, very cool.   Sounds like a bridge between Defkalion and Cyclone.
Hopefully Defkalion can produce..




On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:31 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Cyclone Power Technologies Adds Renowned Nuclear Physicist, Dr. Yeong Kim,
 to its Technical Advisory Team

 Dec 03, 2013 (ACCESSWIRE via COMTEX) -- POMPANO BEACH, FL, December 3,
 2013. Cyclone Power Technologies Inc. (otcqb:CYPW), developer of the
 all-fuel, clean-tech Cyclone Engine, announced today that it has added to
 its technical consulting and advisory team Dr. Yeong E. Kim, professor and
 Group Leader of the Nuclear and Many-Body Theory Group at Purdue University.

 Dr. Kim is a nuclear physicist who has authored or co-authored over 200
 scientific journal publications during his career. He received his Ph.D. in
 1963 from the University of California, Berkeley, followed by a
 postdoctoral position at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. Dr. Kim is
 currently Director of Purdue Center for Sensing Science and Technology
 (CSST), Group Leader of Purdue Nuclear and Many-Body Theory Group, and
 Professor of Physics at Purdue University. His main area of research has
 been theoretical nuclear physics, including the practical achievability of
 low energy nuclear reactions (LENR), or cold fusion. Dr. Kim has published
 widely on this subject, as well as condensed matter physics, atomic,
 molecular and optical physics, nuclear astrophysics, and quantum
 statistical mechanics. Since 1978, he served on advisory committees for
 numerous government agencies and international conferences covering diverse
 topics of nuclear physics. He has been a Fellow of the American Physical
 Society since 1977.

 Christopher Nelson, President of Cyclone, stated: We are truly honored to
 have someone of Dr. Kim's incredible credentials and immense understanding
 of the nuclear sciences join us at Cyclone. We would also like to thank
 Nick Connor of The Energy Trust LLC of Indiana for his vision and hard work
 in bringing us together.

 Like much of the public, we have many questions about low energy nuclear
 reactions and want to make sure we have the best person on our team help us
 evaluate its viability. If such low-cost heat producing technology can
 ultimately be commercialized, we believe it will require integration with a
 Cyclone Engine - the same compact, high-efficiency external heat engine
 which can more immediately run on natural gas or virtually any other fuel
 to cogenerate electricity and heat for a home or business. For such a
 possibility we owe it to our current and future shareholders to be prepared
 and well educated,...


 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/cyclone-power-technologies-adds-renowned-nuclear-physicist-dr-yeong-kim-to-its-technical-advisory-team-2013-12-03?reflink=MW_news_stmp

[Vo]:Oxyntix

[Nigel Dyer]

Has anybody come across a company called Oxyntix, a spin off company 
from Oxford University


http://www.oxyntix.com/

The website is very sparten, but it does include a sentence with a 
familiar ring to it:


A core technology we are promoting involves generation of extremely 
high temperatures, pressures and densities originating from fully 
controlled, optimised and scalable bubble collapse processes.   One of 
the few press releases also has a familiar ring:  This technology has 
numerous potential applications, notably in nuclear fusion power 
generation and 


Nigel

RE: [Vo]:Oxyntix

[Jones Beene]

Here is the Patent application title: HIGH VELOCITY DROPLET IMPACTS
Inventors:  Yiannis Ventikos (Oxford, GB)  Nicholas Hawker (Oxford, GB)
Class name: Induced nuclear reactions: processes, systems, and elements
nuclear fusion including accelerating particles into a stationary or static
target 

http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20120281797




-Original Message-
From: Nigel Dyer 


Has anybody come across a company called Oxyntix, a spin off company 
from Oxford University

http://www.oxyntix.com/

The website is very sparten, but it does include a sentence with a 
familiar ring to it:

A core technology we are promoting involves generation of extremely 
high temperatures, pressures and densities originating from fully 
controlled, optimised and scalable bubble collapse processes.   One of 
the few press releases also has a familiar ring:  This technology has 
numerous potential applications, notably in nuclear fusion power 
generation and 

Nigel

Re: [Vo]:Oxyntix

[Axil Axil]

Here is the list of all the patents that may form the intellectual basis of
the referenced company.

http://patents.justia.com/inventor/yiannis-ventikos


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

 Here is the Patent application title: HIGH VELOCITY DROPLET IMPACTS
 Inventors:  Yiannis Ventikos (Oxford, GB)  Nicholas Hawker (Oxford, GB)
 Class name: Induced nuclear reactions: processes, systems, and elements
 nuclear fusion including accelerating particles into a stationary or static
 target

 http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20120281797




 -Original Message-
 From: Nigel Dyer


 Has anybody come across a company called Oxyntix, a spin off company
 from Oxford University

 http://www.oxyntix.com/

 The website is very sparten, but it does include a sentence with a
 familiar ring to it:

 A core technology we are promoting involves generation of extremely
 high temperatures, pressures and densities originating from fully
 controlled, optimised and scalable bubble collapse processes.   One of
 the few press releases also has a familiar ring:  This technology has
 numerous potential applications, notably in nuclear fusion power
 generation and 

 Nigel

Re: [Vo]:Oxyntix

[Axil Axil]

The reference patent states:

The development of fusion power has been an area of massive investment of
time and money for many years. This investment has been largely centred on
developing a large scale fusion reactor, at great cost. However, there are
other theories that predict much simpler and cheaper mechanisms for
creating fusion. Of interest here is the umbrella concept inertial
confinement fusion, which uses mechanical forces (such as shock waves) to
concentrate and focus energy into very small areas.


This is not a LENR reaction, it is an attempt at inertial confinement
fusion, a hot fusion technology. As such, I doubt that this
technology will be successful.


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here is the list of all the patents that may form the intellectual basis
 of the referenced company.

 http://patents.justia.com/inventor/yiannis-ventikos


 On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

 Here is the Patent application title: HIGH VELOCITY DROPLET IMPACTS
 Inventors:  Yiannis Ventikos (Oxford, GB)  Nicholas Hawker (Oxford, GB)
 Class name: Induced nuclear reactions: processes, systems, and elements
 nuclear fusion including accelerating particles into a stationary or
 static
 target

 http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20120281797




 -Original Message-
 From: Nigel Dyer


 Has anybody come across a company called Oxyntix, a spin off company
 from Oxford University

 http://www.oxyntix.com/

 The website is very sparten, but it does include a sentence with a
 familiar ring to it:

 A core technology we are promoting involves generation of extremely
 high temperatures, pressures and densities originating from fully
 controlled, optimised and scalable bubble collapse processes.   One of
 the few press releases also has a familiar ring:  This technology has
 numerous potential applications, notably in nuclear fusion power
 generation and 

 Nigel

Re: [Vo]:Automated Storage and Retrieval System at a library

[Daniel Rocha]

People with complex jobs will be without an option. That means, nearly
everyone. One thing it is making a course that teaches how to operates a
new machine within a few months to adapt to a new job. Another thing it is
losing jobs that requires youth energy and many years of training and
consider that happening in several complex fields.




2013/12/5 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com

 This is somewhat off-topic, but it is a subject that has long interested
 me: how new technology is sometimes used to prolong the life of obsolescent
 technology.

 This article describes a new library at the University of Chicago. All the
 books are stored underground in a gigantic three-dimensional array
 accessible only by robotics elevators.

 QUOTE:

 The Joe and Rika Mansueto Library's ASRS will shelve materials
 underground by size rather than library classification, in racks 50 feet
 high, with a capacity to hold 3.5 million volumes in one-seventh of the
 space of conventional shelves.

 Reducing stack space by a factor of seven is a remarkable accomplishment.

 I am sure that 50 to 100 years from now, all new books will be published
 in electronic form only, and all the books now in this library will be
 scanned. There will be no need to bring them up from the stacks by elevator
 in order to physically hand them over to students. Even today, that is
 essentially and obsolescent activity.

 E-book readers have finally achieved contrast as good as paper. I expect
 they will soon have resolution and color better than paper. They will be
 larger, and they may even become somewhat flexible, like paper. When that
 happens, there will be no point to printing paper books for most uses. I
 suppose people will want some paper books for small children, or for things
 they often read, or just as nostalgic decoration. But the vast majority of
 books will be electronic. Reference books already are electronic.

 There is nothing wrong with prolonging the life of old technology. It is a
 good idea. You might as well get the most out of your sunk-cost
 investments. It is probably cheaper to bring the books to the students now
 than it would be to scan them all, and e-books are still not as good as
 paper ones in some ways.

 There are many other interesting examples this. One of my favorites was
 the use of steam tugboats to improve the performance of sailing ships after
 1850. The so-called extreme clipper ships would not have been possible
 without steam tugboats to bring them into harbor. These were the fastest
 and most beautiful commercial sailing ships ever made. We see pictures of
 them and we assume they represent sailing ships throughout the ages, but in
 fact they were only made for about 20 years. They were designed with modern
 knowledge of physics and engineering, so they look quite different from
 traditional ships. The Flying Cloud was one of the most spectacular. The
 Flying Cloud lasted 23 years which was much longer than most ships at that
 time.  By modern standards most of them were disposable objects. Modern
 ships are intended to last for decades and dozens of trips, whereas the
 extreme clippers lasted only five years or so. The masts and rigging were
 so stressed by the extreme performance they had to be refitted after every
 voyage. You can see how they piled on sails in this picture:

 http://www.sailmsc.com/Boats/club/pix/flying%20club%20full%20sail.jpg

 http://www.sailmsc.com/Boats/club/flying_cloud.htm

 The use of steel hulls in sailing ships is another example of bolstering
 the old with the new.

 There was a long period during which both steamships and sailing ships
 were used, from the 1850s to the early 20th century. I do not think that
 fossil fuels and other energy sources will compete with cold fusion for
 that many decades.

 - Jed




-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Kitamura ICCF18 presentation

[Blaze Spinnaker]

That's still a COP of 1.1 from what I can tell.   Not quite LENR+

Still, this is probably the most exciting / credible evidence yet that I've
seen.   Hopefully they scale up the scaled up version.


On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

 -Original Message-
 From: Jed Rothwell

 Looks promising.


 https://mospace.umsystem.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10355/36813/MassFlowCalo
 rimetryAbstract.pdf


 https://mospace.umsystem.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10355/36813/MassFlowCalo
 rimetryPresentation.pdf

 p. 19 shows 19 or 20 W excess. 20 W is a lot more than they saw
 previously. The mass of powder is much larger.



 Wow. That assessment (promising) is an understatement. Since Toyota
 (through Technova) is a sponsor, this may be poised to go somewhere... and
 fast. It is careful validation of many things done previously which were
 not
 so carefully done.

 The copper-nickel, on a zirconia support - which is apparently performing
 better than the palladium alloy is a surprise. This seems to confirm
 Ahern/Celani. Most of the mass of the powder is the support (either
 zirconia or alumina) so yield per gram is higher than it appears.

Re: [Vo]:Automated Storage and Retrieval System at a library

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Institutional pack rats :)


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:

 People with complex jobs will be without an option. That means, nearly
 everyone. One thing it is making a course that teaches how to operates a
 new machine within a few months to adapt to a new job. Another thing it is
 losing jobs that requires youth energy and many years of training and
 consider that happening in several complex fields.




 2013/12/5 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com

 This is somewhat off-topic, but it is a subject that has long interested
 me: how new technology is sometimes used to prolong the life of obsolescent
 technology.

 This article describes a new library at the University of Chicago. All
 the books are stored underground in a gigantic three-dimensional array
 accessible only by robotics elevators.

 QUOTE:

 The Joe and Rika Mansueto Library's ASRS will shelve materials
 underground by size rather than library classification, in racks 50 feet
 high, with a capacity to hold 3.5 million volumes in one-seventh of the
 space of conventional shelves.

 Reducing stack space by a factor of seven is a remarkable accomplishment.

 I am sure that 50 to 100 years from now, all new books will be published
 in electronic form only, and all the books now in this library will be
 scanned. There will be no need to bring them up from the stacks by elevator
 in order to physically hand them over to students. Even today, that is
 essentially and obsolescent activity.

 E-book readers have finally achieved contrast as good as paper. I expect
 they will soon have resolution and color better than paper. They will be
 larger, and they may even become somewhat flexible, like paper. When that
 happens, there will be no point to printing paper books for most uses. I
 suppose people will want some paper books for small children, or for things
 they often read, or just as nostalgic decoration. But the vast majority of
 books will be electronic. Reference books already are electronic.

 There is nothing wrong with prolonging the life of old technology. It is
 a good idea. You might as well get the most out of your sunk-cost
 investments. It is probably cheaper to bring the books to the students now
 than it would be to scan them all, and e-books are still not as good as
 paper ones in some ways.

 There are many other interesting examples this. One of my favorites was
 the use of steam tugboats to improve the performance of sailing ships after
 1850. The so-called extreme clipper ships would not have been possible
 without steam tugboats to bring them into harbor. These were the fastest
 and most beautiful commercial sailing ships ever made. We see pictures of
 them and we assume they represent sailing ships throughout the ages, but in
 fact they were only made for about 20 years. They were designed with modern
 knowledge of physics and engineering, so they look quite different from
 traditional ships. The Flying Cloud was one of the most spectacular. The
 Flying Cloud lasted 23 years which was much longer than most ships at that
 time.  By modern standards most of them were disposable objects. Modern
 ships are intended to last for decades and dozens of trips, whereas the
 extreme clippers lasted only five years or so. The masts and rigging were
 so stressed by the extreme performance they had to be refitted after every
 voyage. You can see how they piled on sails in this picture:

 http://www.sailmsc.com/Boats/club/pix/flying%20club%20full%20sail.jpg

 http://www.sailmsc.com/Boats/club/flying_cloud.htm

 The use of steel hulls in sailing ships is another example of bolstering
 the old with the new.

 There was a long period during which both steamships and sailing ships
 were used, from the 1850s to the early 20th century. I do not think that
 fossil fuels and other energy sources will compete with cold fusion for
 that many decades.

 - Jed




 --
 Daniel Rocha - RJ
 danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Oxyntix

[Mark Gibbs]

Oxyntix just got a 1M UKP venture capital investment ... it looks like
there are deep pockets that believe the company has got something.

[m]


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 The reference patent states:

 The development of fusion power has been an area of massive investment of
 time and money for many years. This investment has been largely centred on
 developing a large scale fusion reactor, at great cost. However, there are
 other theories that predict much simpler and cheaper mechanisms for
 creating fusion. Of interest here is the umbrella concept inertial
 confinement fusion, which uses mechanical forces (such as shock waves) to
 concentrate and focus energy into very small areas.


 This is not a LENR reaction, it is an attempt at inertial confinement
 fusion, a hot fusion technology. As such, I doubt that this
 technology will be successful.


 On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here is the list of all the patents that may form the intellectual basis
 of the referenced company.

 http://patents.justia.com/inventor/yiannis-ventikos


 On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

 Here is the Patent application title: HIGH VELOCITY DROPLET IMPACTS
 Inventors:  Yiannis Ventikos (Oxford, GB)  Nicholas Hawker (Oxford, GB)
 Class name: Induced nuclear reactions: processes, systems, and elements
 nuclear fusion including accelerating particles into a stationary or
 static
 target

 http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20120281797




 -Original Message-
 From: Nigel Dyer


 Has anybody come across a company called Oxyntix, a spin off company
 from Oxford University

 http://www.oxyntix.com/

 The website is very sparten, but it does include a sentence with a
 familiar ring to it:

 A core technology we are promoting involves generation of extremely
 high temperatures, pressures and densities originating from fully
 controlled, optimised and scalable bubble collapse processes.   One of
 the few press releases also has a familiar ring:  This technology has
 numerous potential applications, notably in nuclear fusion power
 generation and 

 Nigel

Re: [Vo]:Kitamura ICCF18 presentation

[Jed Rothwell]

Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:

That's still a COP of 1.1 from what I can tell.   Not quite LENR+


The concept of a COP (coefficient of production) is meaningless in cold
fusion. Even more so in this experiment than in most others, because the
input power is only used to raise the temperature, and you could do that
equally as well by insulating the thing better.

A cold fusion is not an amplifier in any sense. It does not transform the
input energy into a new form, the way an electric motor converts
electricity into mechanical force. Therefore COP is meaningless the
technical sense. It is used, inaccurately, to mean the ratio of input power
to output power. This ratio is also meaningless. It can easily be changed.
It can be improved, but most of the methods to do so will interfere with
the experiment and reduce the quality of the results.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Kitamura ICCF18 presentation

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Until we see a repeatable / verifiable experiment with a high COP, the only
thing that will be meaningless here is LENR.

That being said, what Technova is doing is interesting.   They did say
however at the end of their slides that further measurement is needed to
verify the results.


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's still a COP of 1.1 from what I can tell.   Not quite LENR+


 The concept of a COP (coefficient of production) is meaningless in cold
 fusion. Even more so in this experiment than in most others, because the
 input power is only used to raise the temperature, and you could do that
 equally as well by insulating the thing better.

 A cold fusion is not an amplifier in any sense. It does not transform the
 input energy into a new form, the way an electric motor converts
 electricity into mechanical force. Therefore COP is meaningless the
 technical sense. It is used, inaccurately, to mean the ratio of input power
 to output power. This ratio is also meaningless. It can easily be changed.
 It can be improved, but most of the methods to do so will interfere with
 the experiment and reduce the quality of the results.

 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Re:

[mixent]

In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Wed, 4 Dec 2013 21:01:09 -0800:
Hi Eric,
[snip]

If they were limited to the surface, then finely dividing the substance should
massively increase the gammas detected, since the surface area increases
dramatically. Had that been the case, I suspect it would have been noticed.
(Not that I am aware of.)

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:36 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

Surely that depends on the distribution of the radioisotope within the
 metal?
 Since you created this hypothetical substance, it's up to you to say
 whether or
 not that's the case. ;)


No doubt.  :)  But for my hypothetical substance, I will choose a realistic
substance -- an ampule of ordinary cesium (pure but not enriched in any
way).  How do we know that any of the gammas emitted by an ampule originate
from within the bulk of the cesium rather than being limited to the surface?

Eric
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Kitamura ICCF18 presentation

[Jed Rothwell]

Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:

Until we see a repeatable / verifiable experiment with a high COP, the only
 thing that will be meaningless here is LENR.


We have seen repeatable, verifiable experiments since 1990. The effect have
been verified by over 200 world-class institutions. The so-called COP has
often been infinite. That is, with zero input, all output. You can't any
better than that.

These tests have been repeated thousands of times. Even if they were
repeated millions of times they would not convince so-called skeptics. If
200 labs are not enough, 2,000 or 20,000 would not be enough either. The
only thing that will convince opponents would be a commercial product.



 That being said, what Technova is doing is interesting.


Why is this interesting and the previous 14,000 similar experiments not
interesting? This is not especially dramatic or clear-cut.



They did say however at the end of their slides that further
 measurement is needed to verify the results.


All researchers always say that. They have it programmed in as a keyboard
macro.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Kitamura ICCF18 presentation

[Jed Rothwell]

Regarding the ratio of zero input, any output, I meant to say:
You can't GET any better than that.

(This is kind of annoying.)

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Re:

[mixent]

In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Wed, 4 Dec 2013 21:06:24 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
I wrote:

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:36 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 Surely that depends on the distribution of the radioisotope within the
 metal?
 Since you created this hypothetical substance, it's up to you to say
 whether or
 not that's the case. ;)


 No doubt.  :)  But for my hypothetical substance, I will choose a
 realistic substance -- an ampule of ordinary cesium (pure but not enriched
 in any way).  How do we know that any of the gammas emitted by an ampule
 originate from within the bulk of the cesium rather than being limited to
 the surface?


It occurs to me that earlier I had hypothesized a pure gamma emitter (such
a thing may not exist, and even if any do, there may be no metals among
them).  

There are a few pure gamma emitters, e.g. Hf178m. However it's not difficult to
screen out the particle emissions from mixed emitters, and furthermore, if a
spectral analysis of the gamma radiation is done, the intensity of gammas with a
specific energy can be monitored. (Try Googling gamma spectrometry as a starting
point.)
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Re:

[mixent]

In reply to  Bob Higgins's message of Thu, 5 Dec 2013 08:42:10 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
One could compare the gamma emission of the metal as a powder with a
corresponding similar mass of the same metal as a solid geometric form (say
a sphere).  Then using ordinary rules for absorption (not extraordinary
rules), what should the activity be?  I am sure this has been done, and if
there was an extraordinary difference, it would have long since been
researched and reported.

Bob

...hmm, I see Bob beat me to it. :)

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Kitamura ICCF18 presentation

[Peter Gluck]

Cold Fusion is by definition a source of energy
and size matters most. A system which gives
4kW output for 1kW input is more useful and valuable
than one giving 4mW for zero input.
Repeatable is a statistic concept - the same result is
obtained in 100 cases of 100 experiments.
Scale-up, is, unfortunately, very rarely simple and linear.
Peter



On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Regarding the ratio of zero input, any output, I meant to say:
 You can't GET any better than that.

 (This is kind of annoying.)

 - Jed




-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Asked Answered

[Kevin O'Malley]

It's either measurement error or fraud.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3098613/posts?page=12#12

To: *ZX12R*

That position would be more likely than fusion achieved with low voltage.
***Well, that’s fascinating. Since the PF Anomalous Heat Effect has been
replicated more than 14,700 times, that requires that many links in your
conspiracy chain. One might as well believe that there were 1400 assassins
firing on JFK and the doctors, police, bystanders, and press were all in on
the conspiracy to hide the HUGE conspiracy. Here, let me fill the bill to
buy you a tinfoil hat.

My real guess is that there is no anomalous heat. Just poorly trained
scientists pretending to be experimentalists and not knowing how to measure
nanoscopic changes in temperature measurement.
***Oh, cool. I like this one better because it can be addressed with
mathematics of probability. Assuming someone who’s doing electrochemistry
experiments isn’t a complete 100% dufus, the chances of error in each
experiment (knowing that there’s tons of scolding for those who would make
such a mistake, as already seen), would generously be 1/3.

Perhaps you do not realize just how ignorant this statement is. The
mathematical definition of IMPOSSIBLE is if something has a chance of
10^-50. The chance of measuring errors or noise causing false positives in
replication with the 1 in 3 experiments, to be utterly magnanimous to your
postulation. So for the errors/noise to account for the 14,700
replications, the chances would be 1/3 ^ 14700, which is ~10^-5000, a
whopping, gigantic, HUMUNGOUS four thousand Five Hundred and fifty ORDERS
OF MAGNITUDE less than impossible. I tell you what, I’ll grant you 3 levels
of impossible to be “conservative” with the numbers, that is 4400 orders of
magnitude less than impossible.

And furthermore, there are people who are EXPERTS in determining
MEASurement error — they get paid big bucks to get rid of it. National
Instruments. Here’s what the
Experts in MEASurement have to say about measurement error causing all this
excitement: NO WAY.

National Instruments is a multibillion dollar corporation that does not
need to stick its neck out for “bigfoot stories”. After noting more than
150 replications, they recently concluded that with so much evidence of
anomalous heat generation...
http://www.22passi.it/downloads/eu_brussels_june_20_2012_concezzi.pdf
Conclusion
• THERE IS AN UNKNOWN PHYSICAL EVENT

Re: [Vo]:Kitamura ICCF18 presentation

[Jed Rothwell]

Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:

Cold Fusion is by definition a source of energy
 and size matters most.


No, it does not. Most devices in the world require less than 100 W. The
most valuable, and the most expensive energy sources are pacemaker and
hearing-aid batteries that produce milliwatts.

We have the notion that bigger is better in energy production because our
energy system is centralized. It is 19th century technology. It only works
on a large scale.

This is somewhat similar to saying that power for transportation is only
useful at the kilowatt level. That seems true because that's how much power
it takes to move a person in a vehicle. However, if you transport goods
with automated flying robots the way Amazon.com intends to do, ~200 W of
power would be fine.


A system which gives
 4kW output for 1kW input is more useful and valuable
 than one giving 4mW for zero input.


The main problem with a 4 mW reaction is that it is difficult to detect
with ordinary instruments. You need a microcalorimeter. A reliable 4 mWe
source of power would be worth hundreds of millions of dollars, mainly in
medical applications.



 Repeatable is a statistic concept . . .


Repeatability is also a flexible concept. When you are working with
billions of nanoparticles it makes no difference which ones work and which
don't. As long as they keep working the same way for a long time.


Regarding the Amazon.com octocopters:

I do not think Amazon.com will be able to do this as quickly as they hope
to, because of regulatory problems and things like electric wires over
streets. But I am sure that in the future most goods will be delivered by
small autonomous robots, airborne or on wheels. There will be no reason to
make the robots any larger than a dog. Amazon.com estimates that 86% of
their packages could be delivered with the small helicopter robots they now
have. The range is only about 10 miles but with cold fusion it would be
infinite.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Oxyntix

[Axil Axil]

Nuclear proliferation

Since hot fusion power uses nuclear technology, its overlap with nuclear
weapons technology is substantial.

A huge amount of tritium would be produced in fusion power plants. Tritium
is used in the trigger of hydrogen bombs and in most modern boosted fission
weapons but it can be also produced by nuclear fission.
The energetic neutrons from a fusion reactor could be used to breed weapon
usable plutonium or uranium for an atomic bomb (for example by
transmutation of U238 to Pu239, or Th232 to U233).

It will take at least $10 billion dollars to get through the NRC
regulations and licensing. But before all that, the politicians will
scuttle the effort if it looks promising to minimize world nuclear
proliferation.

Big fusion is not so much of a problem, only first world countries can
afford those types of ITER fusion reactors but very small hot fusion
reactors puts bomb capability into just about anybody's wheel house..


LENR might use commonly unknown some science,(actually, we know what that
science is here on vortex) but that LENR based science  may not need LENR
to deal with the NRC.

The NRC only knows or ...worse wants to know ...only light water reactors.


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:

 Oxyntix just got a 1M UKP venture capital investment ... it looks like
 there are deep pockets that believe the company has got something.

 [m]


 On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 The reference patent states:

 The development of fusion power has been an area of massive investment
 of time and money for many years. This investment has been largely centred
 on developing a large scale fusion reactor, at great cost. However, there
 are other theories that predict much simpler and cheaper mechanisms for
 creating fusion. Of interest here is the umbrella concept inertial
 confinement fusion, which uses mechanical forces (such as shock waves) to
 concentrate and focus energy into very small areas.


 This is not a LENR reaction, it is an attempt at inertial confinement
 fusion, a hot fusion technology. As such, I doubt that this
 technology will be successful.


 On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here is the list of all the patents that may form the intellectual basis
 of the referenced company.

 http://patents.justia.com/inventor/yiannis-ventikos


 On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

 Here is the Patent application title: HIGH VELOCITY DROPLET IMPACTS
 Inventors:  Yiannis Ventikos (Oxford, GB)  Nicholas Hawker (Oxford, GB)
 Class name: Induced nuclear reactions: processes, systems, and elements
 nuclear fusion including accelerating particles into a stationary or
 static
 target

 http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20120281797




 -Original Message-
 From: Nigel Dyer


 Has anybody come across a company called Oxyntix, a spin off company
 from Oxford University

 http://www.oxyntix.com/

 The website is very sparten, but it does include a sentence with a
 familiar ring to it:

 A core technology we are promoting involves generation of extremely
 high temperatures, pressures and densities originating from fully
 controlled, optimised and scalable bubble collapse processes.   One of
 the few press releases also has a familiar ring:  This technology has
 numerous potential applications, notably in nuclear fusion power
 generation and 

 Nigel

Re: [Vo]:Asked Answered

[Kevin O'Malley]

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is a depressing exchange at FreeRepublic. That is a depressing
 website.

***Not normally.  It's right wing politics.  Most Vorts seem to be left
wing.




 I gave up on discussions of this nature years ago. I figure there is no
 point to arguing with people who will not do their homework. They have no
 interest in learning the truth.

***I don't mind, for a while.  I see it as documenting the dialog.  But the
reason why I started posting exchanges here is that the moderators at FR
started pulling threads entirely, getting rid of ALL the dialog.  It's
bizarre.  In the early days of FR there were huge flamewars, threads about
Iran-Contra conspiracies  chemtrails  Vince Foster windups and all kinds
of stuff.  So why all of a sudden is there this concern about how FR
looks?  Especially when there's so much real scientific evidence (like
those 14,700 replications) that lends itself to the debate?  Something
doesn't add up, and since my purpose was to document the dialog, that's
what I'm doing here.




 I think it is better to seek out people who are friendly toward cold
 fusion, and who want to learn about it. Fortunately, thousands of such
 people visit LENR-CANR every week. So I think the way to make progress is
 to write good papers and upload them. Really good papers belong in
 Biberian's journal, which is published by CMNS, and copied to LENR-CANR.org
 and maybe to other sites.


***Sure, but what is a layman supposed to do to promote the scientific
investigation of cold fusion?  The article I wrote was about how I made
money at it, and it was greeted with a yawn.

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg37540.html

I've also tried to contact  Hydrofusion to set up a demo plant in Sweden --
LENR powered Hot Tubs in Sweden, as a schtick.  No response.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2013/06/15/psstt-want-an-e-cat-lenr-generator-for-free/

I've tried to get hired by Rossi, even Infinia corp knowing that Stirling
Cycle engines are likely to go in big with LENR.  They went out of
business.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=1cad=rjaved=0CC4QFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.prnewswire.com%2Fnews-releases%2Finfinia-corporation-implements-voluntary-chapter-11-petition-seeks-offers-225236832.htmlei=5O6gUqneKJfgoASdzYKAAwusg=AFQjCNHcNjkpxB1uNuBQHaSLZ2KLpNJnAgsig2=E0ZL_BonlRCZxYxi2XEDgg



 I am glad that Kevin went to the trouble to preserve this exchange. We
 should file away copies of things like this from time to time, for future
 historians. They will see what we were up against. In the past, after
 scientific disputes were settled, I suppose much of the losing arguments
 were lost.

***That is my primary purpose in setting up this Asked  Answered thread.
As usual, you see the big picture and the value of it.  If you had not set
up Lenr-canr.org, I would have done that.



 The latest message in this exchange is more of the same:

 Why won’t you tell people your “published data” won’t heat a teakettle?

 The answer is: That is incorrect. In some cases cold fusion cells have
 produced 100 W or more, and they have boiled 10 to 50 ml of water
 continuously for hours or in a few cases, for months.

***Got links?  I'll post them.


 That would be the answer, but I see no point to posting it.

***I'll post it.  But I've noticed in the past that as the Internet gets
scrubbed, links go dry.  So it's likely that I'll be posting articles
wholesale.  By the way, in the past I have engaged in this behavior and
been chastised for it due to copyright issues manufactured by someone who
was mining current links to make money on advertising.



 Incidentally, for people who are looking for introductory material, some
 of the documents I recommend are here:

 http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=263

 Scroll down to Papers for the general reader

 - Jed

 ***Thanks for all you do, Jed.  If you find yourself in Silicon Valley
(and I'm gainfully employed) I'll take you out to dinner.  You can contact
me at Four Oh Eight, 460 Fihive Seheven Oh Seheven.

Re: [Vo]:Re:

[Axil Axil]

LENR is a two dimensional flat world type of topological reaction.


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:41 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Wed, 4 Dec 2013 21:06:24 -0800:
 Hi,
 [snip]
 I wrote:
 
 On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:36 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
 
  Surely that depends on the distribution of the radioisotope within the
  metal?
  Since you created this hypothetical substance, it's up to you to say
  whether or
  not that's the case. ;)
 
 
  No doubt.  :)  But for my hypothetical substance, I will choose a
  realistic substance -- an ampule of ordinary cesium (pure but not
 enriched
  in any way).  How do we know that any of the gammas emitted by an ampule
  originate from within the bulk of the cesium rather than being limited
 to
  the surface?
 
 
 It occurs to me that earlier I had hypothesized a pure gamma emitter (such
 a thing may not exist, and even if any do, there may be no metals among
 them).

 There are a few pure gamma emitters, e.g. Hf178m. However it's not
 difficult to
 screen out the particle emissions from mixed emitters, and furthermore, if
 a
 spectral analysis of the gamma radiation is done, the intensity of gammas
 with a
 specific energy can be monitored. (Try Googling gamma spectrometry as a
 starting
 point.)
 [snip]
 Regards,

 Robin van Spaandonk

 http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Kitamura ICCF18 presentation

[Jed Rothwell]

I wrote:


 The most valuable, and the most expensive energy sources are pacemaker and
 hearing-aid batteries that produce milliwatts.


Correction: microwatts. 300 to 600 µWe (microwatts-electric).

A cheap, reliable cold fusion electric power supply that produces 100 W
would probably satisfy something like half of the world's energy demand. It
would capture more than half the world's revenue stream, because the lower
the power, the more money it is worth per watt of capacity.

A 10 kWe power supply would put every power company and oil company out of
business practically overnight. You do not need a 1 MW reactor to
accomplish this. Rossi and others who make large machines do not understand
the economics or the technology of energy. The number of applications for 1
MW or larger systems is tiny compared to the 1 to 10 kW range. We do not
see it that way because we assume that every light and cash register in a
shopping mall has to be powered from a single mains electricity
transformer. Not true. If Edison had started out with cold fusion instead
of coal-fired generators, power distribution as we know it would never have
come into being.

- Jed

[Vo]:Dr Seaborg story about Cold fusion

[Alain Sepeda]

A short story of Dr Seaborg is reported by people having transcripted his
courses my service with 10 presidents...
http://www.lbl.gov/LBL-PID/Nobelists/Seaborg/presidents/23.html

I was called to Washington on April 14, 1989, to brief George Bush on cold
fusion. I don't know whether you know what cold fusion is, but it was the
idea that you could fuse nuclei very easily and get a lot of energy just by
passing electric current through heavy water, whereas, of course,
physicists had built huge machines and worked for decades trying to do
this, spending billions of dollars. The chemists thought they'd really
stolen a march on them. The idea swept the country and I was called to
Washington to brief President Bush on it. It was a real dilemma. What
should I do? I decided to take my background as a nuclear scientist and
really come to the sensible conclusion that this work was not right, that
it was really cold. You couldn't do it. So that's what I told him at that
time. I said, You can't just go out and say this is not valid. You're
going to have to create a high-level panel that will study it for six
months, and then they'll come out and tell you it's not valid, and that's
what he did.

Re: [Vo]:Dr Seaborg story about Cold fusion

[Jed Rothwell]

Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:

A short story of Dr Seaborg is reported . . .



 I said, You can't just go out and say this is not valid. You're going to
 have to create a high-level panel that will study it for six months, and
 then they'll come out and tell you it's not valid, and that's what he did.


Seaborg was an arrogant jerk.

Gene Mallove wrote about this event.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Kitamura ICCF18 presentation

[Kevin O'Malley]

If Edison had started out with cold fusion instead of coal-fired
generators, power distribution as we know it would never have come into
being.
***Good point.  But now that we have this 19th century power distribution
channel in place, we should aim to keep it.  The rollout for LENR should
address what solar power rooftops  inverters are doing:  feeding
electricity back into the grid.  Eventually, that will be the PURPOSE of
the grid, a decentralized source of electricity.

 In no way would this block the progress of small LENR devices powering
every cash register and street light.  Again, solar power comes to mind --
2 days ago I pulled up a few solar powered walkway lights, as simple as can
be, and put them right back where they were when I was done, in a few
seconds.  In the previous implementation, that would have included digging
out wires from the ground.

What we will see with a LENR rollout ( that includes larger generators
feeding into the grid alongside smaller generators powering street/walkway
lights) is that the Power Generation companies like PGE will lose margin
and eventually go out of business because the maintenance costs of that
19th century centralized system will outweigh the profit to be gained.
Those systems were put in place by use of controlled monopoly 
subsidization, and it's likely that such political power will aim to stay
in place.  They would be on the losing end of such a battle.

Re: [Vo]:Kitamura ICCF18 presentation

[Jed Rothwell]

Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:

If Edison had started out with cold fusion instead of coal-fired
 generators, power distribution as we know it would never have come into
 being.
 ***Good point.  But now that we have this 19th century power distribution
 channel in place, we should aim to keep it.


Why? Who needs it? We did not keep the passenger railroad network in place
after automobiles and airplanes make it obsolete in the 1950s. We did not
keep the North Atlantic ocean liner infrastructure of docks and shipyards.
We no longer have coal delivery trucks standing by in our cities to deliver
coal for people's furnaces. The Kodak company dynamited their film
production factories a few years ago, thanks to digital cameras. There is
never any point to maintaining an infrastructure for obsolete technology.
It is a waste of money and resources.

The electric power distribution system, and the petroleum refineries and
gas stations will be a gigantic pile of scrap metal within a generation
after cold fusion takes over. They will be worth nothing to anyone. All
those railroad cars used to haul coal will be scrapped, along with a
quarter of all the ships at sea (measured in capacity), which are used to
haul crude oil.



   The rollout for LENR should address what solar power rooftops 
 inverters are doing:  feeding electricity back into the grid.


The rollout, perhaps. Within a few years it will be used exclusively. There
is no point to making a 20 kW generator when you can make a 50 kW for
almost the same money.

Actually, as I show in my book, chapter 15, houses will consume less
electricity than they do now. Many appliances can be run directly with cold
fusion heat, rather than electricity. Overall electric power demand will
fall by about 30%, whether the electricity comes from the power company or
a small generator. See Fig. 15.2 and the estimates on p. 123. The reduction
is from 7,913 kWh to 5,500 kWh per year.


   Eventually, that will be the PURPOSE of the grid, a decentralized source
 of electricity.


This would be like sharing a hot water heater with your neighbor. There is
no technical or economic justification for it. Maintaining the
infrastructure would cost more than simply providing every house and
building with its own generator.


 In no way would this block the progress of small LENR devices powering
 every cash register and street light.


Once thermoelectric devices are improved nothing will stop this.



   Again, solar power comes to mind -- 2 days ago I pulled up a few solar
 powered walkway lights, as simple as can be, and put them right back where
 they were when I was done, in a few seconds.  In the previous
 implementation, that would have included digging out wires from the
 ground.


Exactly.

- Jed

[Vo]:More versatile Maxwell's demons

[pagnucco]

Those interested in thermodynamics may find the following worthwhile:

Some recent papers showing that Maxwell's demon may not require energy -

Single-reservoir heat engine: Controlling the spin
http://fqmt.fzu.cz/13/pdfabstracts/605_1f.pdf

Beyond Landauer Erasure
http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/15/11/4956

The latter is part of the journal 'Entropy'
- Special Issue Maxwell’s Demon 2013
http://www.mdpi.com/journal/entropy/special_issues/maxwells_demon2013

The following paper shows that computation needs no energy - if reversible.
The Connection between Reversibility and Heat Generation
http://people.ccmr.cornell.edu/~clh/p562/TPH/Bohn_TP.pdf

Whether a spin (or other conserved quantity) reservoir can be created (or
discovered) for less than the thermodynamic energy it returns in a novel
engine is an intriguing question - and, also whether such engines can be
scaled to macroscopic size.

-- Lou Pagnucco

Re: [Vo]:Re:

[Eric Walker]

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote:

One could compare the gamma emission of the metal as a powder with a
 corresponding similar mass of the same metal as a solid geometric form (say
 a sphere).  Then using ordinary rules for absorption (not extraordinary
 rules), what should the activity be?  I am sure this has been done, and if
 there was an extraordinary difference, it would have long since been
 researched and reported.


You and Robin provide a good test case.  I am less confident than the two
of you that people's theoretical frameworks will not have led them to
rationalize away a significant discrepancy that they might have noticed in
the lab as an instrumental artifact relating to dust in the air or
something similar.  If someone knows of or comes across a study of this
kind, I will be interested to read it.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Kitamura ICCF18 presentation

[Peter Gluck]

Dear Jed,

Perhaps it would be useful to write about the quality problem for the CF
based energy sources , in the light of the teachings of the American
classics, Deming, Juran, Crosby.
The small, 100W devices need very good reliability- I have two friends
using pacemaker and I would not dare
to speak them about a cold fusion source feeding their
survival apparatus. Batteries are far from perfect but it would be almost
impossible  compete with them.

Excuse me but what you say about flexible repeatability
has nothing to do with CF. It is more practical to recognize we have a
deadly R-problem and we MUST solve it. Step by step it becomes ethical to
realize that the problem cannot be solved for wet CF systems. In some cases
the impossible is possible. Reality is a very persistent illusion as Uncle
Albert has said.


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Cold Fusion is by definition a source of energy
 and size matters most.


 No, it does not. Most devices in the world require less than 100 W. The
 most valuable, and the most expensive energy sources are pacemaker and
 hearing-aid batteries that produce milliwatts.

 We have the notion that bigger is better in energy production because our
 energy system is centralized. It is 19th century technology. It only works
 on a large scale.

 This is somewhat similar to saying that power for transportation is only
 useful at the kilowatt level. That seems true because that's how much power
 it takes to move a person in a vehicle. However, if you transport goods
 with automated flying robots the way Amazon.com intends to do, ~200 W of
 power would be fine.


 A system which gives
 4kW output for 1kW input is more useful and valuable
 than one giving 4mW for zero input.


 The main problem with a 4 mW reaction is that it is difficult to detect
 with ordinary instruments. You need a microcalorimeter. A reliable 4 mWe
 source of power would be worth hundreds of millions of dollars, mainly in
 medical applications.



 Repeatable is a statistic concept . . .


 Repeatability is also a flexible concept. When you are working with
 billions of nanoparticles it makes no difference which ones work and which
 don't. As long as they keep working the same way for a long time.


 Regarding the Amazon.com octocopters:

 I do not think Amazon.com will be able to do this as quickly as they hope
 to, because of regulatory problems and things like electric wires over
 streets. But I am sure that in the future most goods will be delivered by
 small autonomous robots, airborne or on wheels. There will be no reason to
 make the robots any larger than a dog. Amazon.com estimates that 86% of
 their packages could be delivered with the small helicopter robots they now
 have. The range is only about 10 miles but with cold fusion it would be
 infinite.

 - Jed




-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com