Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Eric, take a look at this:

http://www.google.ca/trends/explore#q=lenr%2C%20andrea%20rossi%2C%20e-catcmpt=q

If we decide the report is fully credible and those graphs make historical
highs, I think that's a good time to short.


On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Start shorting any of the alt energy plays.


 The challenge with short selling is when to start?  Immediately?  A few
 weeks or months after news of cold fusion is starting to spread?  (Note
 that rumors already appear to be circulating, e.g., in connection with the
 X Prize.)  A year or two after?  If one starts a short sale too early, it
 will be the cause of much sadness.

 Eric




Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Kevin O'Malley
If we decide  Exactly how is that supposed to play out in your mind?

And note that you overlook (so far) entirely the mechanics  how-to's of
shorting oil, Exxon, Solar, or anything else.  It has been posted before,
on your own thread... that you have abandoned.
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg93568.html



Are you here to obfuscate?  Are you here to make a buck on fellow
vorticians?  Why did you abandon the previous thread on Vortex that covered
most of the same ground?  Why did you offer 10:1 odds when you first
arrived and now you're at 2:1 odds which is about the same as any ordinary
technical project?  What are you trying to establish?




On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Eric, take a look at this:


 http://www.google.ca/trends/explore#q=lenr%2C%20andrea%20rossi%2C%20e-catcmpt=q

 If we decide the report is fully credible and those graphs make historical
 highs, I think that's a good time to short.


 On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Blaze Spinnaker 
 blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:

 Start shorting any of the alt energy plays.


 The challenge with short selling is when to start?  Immediately?  A few
 weeks or months after news of cold fusion is starting to spread?  (Note
 that rumors already appear to be circulating, e.g., in connection with the
 X Prize.)  A year or two after?  If one starts a short sale too early, it
 will be the cause of much sadness.

 Eric





Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Ok sure, not really we, but rather vortex.  There's a group of  folks of
vortex that I feel are fairly credible / not gullible.  They reacted very
smartly to defkalion, so I'll be looking to their reaction to this report
carefully.

They have a track record of being correct which is what bayesian analysis
relies on.

I've shorted stocks in my time.  I'm pretty familiar with the strategy 
mechanics of buying put options, for example.


On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com
wrote:

 If we decide  Exactly how is that supposed to play out in your
 mind?

 And note that you overlook (so far) entirely the mechanics  how-to's of
 shorting oil, Exxon, Solar, or anything else.  It has been posted before,
 on your own thread... that you have abandoned.
 http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg93568.html



 Are you here to obfuscate?  Are you here to make a buck on fellow
 vorticians?  Why did you abandon the previous thread on Vortex that covered
 most of the same ground?  Why did you offer 10:1 odds when you first
 arrived and now you're at 2:1 odds which is about the same as any ordinary
 technical project?  What are you trying to establish?




 On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
 blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:

 Eric, take a look at this:


 http://www.google.ca/trends/explore#q=lenr%2C%20andrea%20rossi%2C%20e-catcmpt=q

 If we decide the report is fully credible and those graphs make
 historical highs, I think that's a good time to short.


 On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Blaze Spinnaker 
 blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:

 Start shorting any of the alt energy plays.


 The challenge with short selling is when to start?  Immediately?  A few
 weeks or months after news of cold fusion is starting to spread?  (Note
 that rumors already appear to be circulating, e.g., in connection with the
 X Prize.)  A year or two after?  If one starts a short sale too early, it
 will be the cause of much sadness.

 Eric






Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Kevin O'Malley
You've been trying to milk Vortex members since you first arrived.
Otherwise, you would have explained how to short long ago.  Not only did
you shy away from your original 10:1 odds that I jumped at, but you haven't
done anything to further vortician interests since you've been aboard.

Otherwise, you'd have gone to your original thread and answered every
contention put towards you.

You won't do that on that thread, you won't do it on this thread, you won't
do it here nor there.  You won't do it anywhere, BlazeIam.





On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Ok sure, not really we, but rather vortex.  There's a group of  folks of
 vortex that I feel are fairly credible / not gullible.  They reacted very
 smartly to defkalion, so I'll be looking to their reaction to this report
 carefully.

 They have a track record of being correct which is what bayesian analysis
 relies on.

 I've shorted stocks in my time.  I'm pretty familiar with the strategy 
 mechanics of buying put options, for example.


 On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 If we decide  Exactly how is that supposed to play out in your
 mind?

 And note that you overlook (so far) entirely the mechanics  how-to's of
 shorting oil, Exxon, Solar, or anything else.  It has been posted before,
 on your own thread... that you have abandoned.
 http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg93568.html



 Are you here to obfuscate?  Are you here to make a buck on fellow
 vorticians?  Why did you abandon the previous thread on Vortex that covered
 most of the same ground?  Why did you offer 10:1 odds when you first
 arrived and now you're at 2:1 odds which is about the same as any ordinary
 technical project?  What are you trying to establish?




 On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
 blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:

 Eric, take a look at this:


 http://www.google.ca/trends/explore#q=lenr%2C%20andrea%20rossi%2C%20e-catcmpt=q

 If we decide the report is fully credible and those graphs make
 historical highs, I think that's a good time to short.


 On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Blaze Spinnaker 
 blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:

 Start shorting any of the alt energy plays.


 The challenge with short selling is when to start?  Immediately?  A few
 weeks or months after news of cold fusion is starting to spread?  (Note
 that rumors already appear to be circulating, e.g., in connection with the
 X Prize.)  A year or two after?  If one starts a short sale too early, it
 will be the cause of much sadness.

 Eric







[Vo]:what would our much regretted friends say about CF today?

2014-05-31 Thread Peter Gluck
This is an appeal to my readers- can you help me in analyzing
and predicting what will happen to/in/with our Field. Just now, hope
comes only from outside classic CF.
This time I hope to have many answers from you, I dare to think that you
still CARE.

Peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com


Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:


 Looks like I'll need to revise my estimate downwards, YET AGAIN, that
 Blaze will pull it out.  Down to 7.88%.


Nuh-uh. It is 7.64%. You forgot to take into account the Coriolis effect on
this year's election cycle.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:


 Looks like I'll need to revise my estimate downwards, YET AGAIN, that
 Blaze will pull it out.  Down to 7.88%.


 Nuh-uh. It is 7.64%. You forgot to take into account the Coriolis effect on
 this year's election cycle.

I think you rounded up when you should have rounded down.  I get 7.63%.  ;-)



Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:


  Nuh-uh. It is 7.64%. You forgot to take into account the Coriolis effect
 on
  this year's election cycle.

 I think you rounded up when you should have rounded down.  I get 7.63%.
  ;-)


You must be in Australia.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Are you here to make a buck on fellow vorticians?

Yes, but I'd like to think everyone here can share in the wealth if they
were paying attention.  Certainly they deserve it.

Some people though, I guesss, for whatever bizarre reasons I'll never
understand -   profoundly believe they don't deserve it.



On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:


  Nuh-uh. It is 7.64%. You forgot to take into account the Coriolis
 effect on
  this year's election cycle.

 I think you rounded up when you should have rounded down.  I get 7.63%.
  ;-)


 You must be in Australia.

 - Jed





RE: [Vo]:BlackLight's Second Test of Automated Ignition System

2014-05-31 Thread Mike Carrell
The test in question, lighting an array of LEDs is trivial and *proves* nothing 
significant because the power required is trivial. It is a partial answer to 
critics who want to see continuous power output and not *apparently* fantastic 
claims based on pulse phenomena. The peak power in an ordinary flashtube is 
also significant for a millisecond or so. Same for the LED ‘flash’ in some cell 
phone cameras. The reaction BLP is now dealing with is inherently explosive; 
the trick is build a device that will deliver 1000 explosion per second and 
capture that energy efficiently with high performance solar cells, for which 
there is commercial precedent. IC engines deal with a series of explosions. 
Mills’ claims for pulse energy are remarkable but are consistent with wit 
published science. BLP’s task is now engineering a device for which there is no 
direct precedent but game-changing prospects.

 

Mike Carrell 

 

From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 2:09 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:BlackLight's Second Test of Automated Ignition System

 

I agree.. Conclusion?
Lenart

On May 29, 2014 9:11 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

The amount of time and mental enegy required to absorb Mills technology is very 
substantial. Is it real or is it a fantasy? Who can be a judge? The perspective 
student of this course of study must be convinced that this substantial effort 
is not made in vain.

BLP is like a company who has not made a profit in 20 years. An investor must 
see some upturn in the prospects of BLP before he makes an investment in that 
endeavor. 

When Mills puts an energy device in service so that his technology replaces the 
oil and gas industry, then many people will decide to make the investment in 
Mills technology.

The same is true for all the developers of unconventional energy generation. 
The first few of these developers who successfully field a technology verified 
by a vigorous market for their product will generate all the interest required 
to drive forward the new paradigm.

 

Success is the key to everything.

 

 

On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com wrote:

I have posted to Vo and CNMS a series of notes under the general heading of 
‘understanding BLP’ which have been generally ignored. The post below 
illustrates a basic problem, that these commentators have simply not done their 
homework well enough to evaluate what is really going on and the difficulties 
that Mills has faced for decades in finding a commercially viable device or 
system to utilize his discoveries. Without the homework, the claims and 
demonstrations will be misunderstood. I have followed Mills for decades and am 
willing to enter a dialogue with anyone who really wants to understand. There 
is a “society for Classical Physics”, moderated by Dr. John Farrell, an early 
mentor and associate of Mills. Mills actively participates in the discussion 
with terse comments and references to his published work. I am gratified by  
the quality of the questions asked, and Mills’ courteous replies. Basically, he 
is proceeding in incremental steps toward the device now portrayed in the 
website. Much depends on exactly what happens in the detonation, which will be 
found by careful experiment which is seen the video clips. There will be 
technical papers posted at appropriate intervals, as Mills has done for decades.

Mike Carrell

 

From: Foks0904 . [mailto:foks0...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 12:54 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:BlackLight's Second Test of Automated Ignition System

 

I've never thought Mills is running a confidence game. But I've been critical 
of BLP because it's perplexing as hell why they have had such issues getting 
into the public marketplace for over twenty years. They have had issues with 
patent office in past, etc. but I don't know how far railroading goes in 
explaining it. I've speculated perhaps they are contracting out their devices 
with non-consumer partners or something, but then why bother w/ public demos 
and videos like this? Shrug.

 

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

What I don't get is how this footage would impress anyone.  Perhaps my lack of 
appreciation is due to my lack of knowledge.  No doubt if you're an expert at 
microcalorimetry and allied fields, you would know, on the basis of your 
extensive experience, merely from seeing and hearing this footage, that they 
are competent people and really have something and are not trying to play a 
confidence game.

 

Eric

 

 

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vh88aVr6i8 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vh88aVr6i8feature=youtu.be feature=youtu.be

 

R. Mills is answering questions

 

 



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Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:

If we decide the report is fully credible and those graphs make historical
 highs, I think that's a good time to short.


I'm less confident on getting the timing right for a breakout development
than you.  Even if we saw a spike of interest comparable to the one shown
for the first Elforsk test, I very much doubt there will be more publicity
following upon it than happened the last time.  Even if the test results
are stellar, I do not think they would cause a movement in the oil markets
at this point.  If I had to guess, there would need to be three or four
credible, completely independent reproductions that were given high degree
of visibility in the mainstream media before cold fusion is even
sufficiently funded.  And then only after the implications of the new
technology became apparent to risk-averse pension managers would you start
to see some kind of downward movement in oil stocks.  Just my random,
uninformed guess.

Only indirectly relevant to this, there is word that Rossi has been seen in
Sweden.  This isn't necessarily a positive development, although it could
be benign.  What if the E-Cat became quiescent at some point, and he was
there to try to kickstart it again?

Eric


Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:


 Some people though, I guesss, for whatever bizarre reasons I'll never
 understand -   profoundly believe they don't deserve it.


Goodness gracious! Who do you have in mind? Tell them to send me their
share of the moola.

When they gave Martin Fleischmann a medal at an ICCF conference, he turned
to me and said something like: this is the only recognition I have ever
gotten out of cold fusion, other than a swift kick in the butt.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm less confident on getting the timing right for a breakout development
 than you.  Even if we saw a spike of interest comparable to the one shown
 for the first Elforsk test, I very much doubt there will be more publicity
 following upon it than happened the last time.


I agree. I doubt that ELFORSK wants people to know, other than the small
circle of people who follow this field. I doubt they will keep the paper
secret. They probably couldn't; it would leak. I expect them to publish at
arXiv again.



 Even if the test results are stellar, I do not think they would cause a
 movement in the oil markets at this point.


If stellar results could have any effect on public opinion or industry, the
whole world would have believed in cold fusion after McKubre published.
Experts such as Gerisher and later Duncan looked at the data and were
instantly convinced. Fully replicated, high sigma, top quality experimental
proof from hundreds of world class laboratories plus $18 will buy you a 30
Hershey Bars at Amazon.com. That is all it is good for.



  If I had to guess, there would need to be three or four credible,
 completely independent reproductions that were given high degree of
 visibility in the mainstream media before cold fusion is even sufficiently
 funded.


The mainstream media would never publish any report, no matter how
convincing. Not from ELFORSK, EPRI or any other power company organization.
The physics establishment will say that power companies know nothing about
nuclear physics so they must be wrong. The mass media will only report on
what the physics establishment blesses.

Other than that, the mass media would only report:

1. A famous mogul such as Bill Gates is funding cold fusion OR

2. A commercial cold fusion device has actually gone sale.

Anything less newsworthy will never see the light of day.

That does not matter much. We do not not need the mass media. What we need
is money, from someone like Gates, and we need experiments that work.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Patrick Ellul
You are so right Jed. (not that it means anything from me)

But remember the chain:

Rossi - Tom Darden (Cherokee/IH) - Bill McDonough (
Cherokee/McDonough Challenge)
-Larry Page, Richard Branson, Elon Musk, Jimmy Wales etc

see:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/HO64ew8KwyUfNz-RD63k69MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0

So there is hope.

Thanks to Frank Acland for re-digging that link.

Regards.

Patrick



On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm less confident on getting the timing right for a breakout development
 than you.  Even if we saw a spike of interest comparable to the one shown
 for the first Elforsk test, I very much doubt there will be more publicity
 following upon it than happened the last time.


 I agree. I doubt that ELFORSK wants people to know, other than the small
 circle of people who follow this field. I doubt they will keep the paper
 secret. They probably couldn't; it would leak. I expect them to publish at
 arXiv again.



 Even if the test results are stellar, I do not think they would cause a
 movement in the oil markets at this point.


 If stellar results could have any effect on public opinion or industry,
 the whole world would have believed in cold fusion after McKubre published.
 Experts such as Gerisher and later Duncan looked at the data and were
 instantly convinced. Fully replicated, high sigma, top quality experimental
 proof from hundreds of world class laboratories plus $18 will buy you a 30
 Hershey Bars at Amazon.com. That is all it is good for.



  If I had to guess, there would need to be three or four credible,
 completely independent reproductions that were given high degree of
 visibility in the mainstream media before cold fusion is even sufficiently
 funded.


 The mainstream media would never publish any report, no matter how
 convincing. Not from ELFORSK, EPRI or any other power company organization.
 The physics establishment will say that power companies know nothing about
 nuclear physics so they must be wrong. The mass media will only report on
 what the physics establishment blesses.

 Other than that, the mass media would only report:

 1. A famous mogul such as Bill Gates is funding cold fusion OR

 2. A commercial cold fusion device has actually gone sale.

 Anything less newsworthy will never see the light of day.

 That does not matter much. We do not not need the mass media. What we need
 is money, from someone like Gates, and we need experiments that work.

 - Jed




-- 
Patrick

www.tRacePerfect.com
The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect!
The quickest puzzle ever!


Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote:


 But remember the chain:

 Rossi - Tom Darden (Cherokee/IH) - Bill McDonough ( Cherokee/McDonough 
 Challenge)
 -Larry Page, Richard Branson, Elon Musk, Jimmy Wales etc


Yup. That is who I had in mind. So far there is nothing in the mass media.
I suppose those people are keeping a low profile. That's fine with me. I
want their money, not a mass media circus they might trigger.

Jimmy Wales, yuch! The others are fine. Jimmy rubs me the wrong way. It
would be ironic if he had a positive influence on this field, given all
trouble Wikipedia has caused us. Make no mistake, it does cause trouble.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
 blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:

 If we decide the report is fully credible and those graphs make historical
 highs, I think that's a good time to short.


 I'm less confident on getting the timing right for a breakout development
 than you.


Yes, there is always risk of course, profit without risk is not possible -
but you can always reduce the risk through careful study.

It's important to short before the market in general recognizes what's
going on.   I'm not looking to get in at the time of the breakout, just
before the breakout and knowing that a breakout will come within 2 years.
 Considering there was no explosion of interest when the last results came
in, I believe if there is one this time it will indicate real penetration.


Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Here's a possible portfolio so far:

FSLR Put Options (2 years): 60%
XOM Put Options (2 years): 20%
CPST: 10%
CYPW: 10%

Entry will occur on a combination of google trends and when these equities
make coordinated movements that aren't influenced by other factors such as
general market conditions.


Re: [Vo]:An emerging diproton plus halo hypothesis

2014-05-31 Thread Bob Cook
I apologize for responding  so tardily.  But I have been in transit and 
outfitting for my summer/fall in Alaska.



 Jones-- 


The dimensions of the emitter associated with spin transitions in a nucleus or 
during nuclear magnetic momentum transitions does not have anything to do with 
the size of the nucleus.  As robin points out the size of the wave length of 
the EM radiation does not depend upon the size of the emitting entity.  I think 
it depends upon the differential energy between quantum states involved in the 
transition to a lower state.The geometry of course is involved in 
determination of the allowed states, but  a typical dimension may not be 
apparent.  


That being said I think the halo concept is instructive in thinking about how 
energy states may change as a virtual particle changes to a stable ground 
state.  I like to think of a virtual di-deuterium particle collapsing to a He 
particle in the Pd / Deuterium system.  In fact the Cooper paring of two 
Deuterium atoms to form an excited virtual pair, starting out with antiparallel 
alignment each with high spin quantum number totaling a net of 0 of the target 
He ground state, may explain the energy fractionation that apparently occurs in 
small energy increments.


Separately, I tend to agree with Robin that the need to try to combine the 
electric and gravitation forces is not warranted unless it is a consideration 
in a strong magnetic field to cause the paring to start.   This may be more 
important in the Ni H system where a catalyst is needed--a Cooper pair of 
electrons or a di-proton.  Of course a Pd system may also experience high 
magnetic fields and assistance in Cooper pairing.  


I am not sure that the restriction to one dimension in the strong magnetic 
field involves controlling the gravitational field as well.   


Bob











From: Jones Beene
Sent: ‎Sunday‎, ‎May‎ ‎18‎, ‎2014 ‎3‎:‎58‎ ‎PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com





-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com 

 Why invoke electrogravity when the normal nuclear force will do just fine?
Note that the neutrons in the deuterons are already within range of this
force, as the deuteron is already bound.


Yes, of course. That's the basic problem. The nucleus does not emit in the
range which we need to match experimental results (or lack thereof).

The problem with normal nuclear radiation is that it is very short
wavelength - which is not seen in LENR experiments. Working backwards from a
spectrum which could have escaped detection, we can hypothesize that there
needs to be an emitter geometry which is large enough to emit EUV or x-rays
and at the same time, to delay actual fusion until enough energy has been
dumped. That requirement eliminates any normal nucleus.

This gets into antenna theory. How can a femtometer particle emit
ultraviolet? Typically it cannot as the geometry is way too
disproportionate. 

Possibly a halo nucleus can do this, or maybe the halo is too small as well.
If that is the case, then the rationalization (of any kind of stepwise
release) is dead.

Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Are you here to make a buck on fellow vorticians?

Yes

***Then my criticism of you is justified.


Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Kevin O'Malley
 I want their money, not a mass media circus they might trigger.
***Jed, I like to think you are probably one of the few that will
financially benefit from such a mass media circus.


On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote:


 But remember the chain:

 Rossi - Tom Darden (Cherokee/IH) - Bill McDonough ( Cherokee/McDonough 
 Challenge)
 -Larry Page, Richard Branson, Elon Musk, Jimmy Wales etc


 Yup. That is who I had in mind. So far there is nothing in the mass media.
 I suppose those people are keeping a low profile. That's fine with me. I
 want their money, not a mass media circus they might trigger.

 Jimmy Wales, yuch! The others are fine. Jimmy rubs me the wrong way. It
 would be ironic if he had a positive influence on this field, given all
 trouble Wikipedia has caused us. Make no mistake, it does cause trouble.

 - Jed




Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Interesting portfolio.  There's a couple of hitches in yer giddyup.


FSLR Put Options (2 years): 60%
XOM Put Options (2 years): 20%
***I dunno how to do put options, and if the breakout comes in 2 years + 1
day, you lost everything without the benefit of what you were actually
betting on.


CPST: 10%
***Reasonably healthy penny stock that should be reasonably healthy in 2
years + 1 day.

CYPW: 10%
***Unhealthy penny stock due to development money starvation.  In the past
it has seen a  100x spike based upon conventional news.  Dr. Yeong Kim
consults with them. If this black swan event does not happen in 2 years,
this company probably will be bankrupt unless it can produce a reliable
engine.

My approach has been 100% CYPW, but that's based upon the prior research I
did, some personal deadlines,  and not knowing about CPST.

 My recommendation for Vorticians is a less risky approach of 60% CPST, 20%
CYPW , and 20% whatever else presents itself as an opportunity such as
publicly traded companies that sell desalination plants.






On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Here's a possible portfolio so far:

 FSLR Put Options (2 years): 60%
 XOM Put Options (2 years): 20%
 CPST: 10%
 CYPW: 10%

 Entry will occur on a combination of google trends and when these equities
 make coordinated movements that aren't influenced by other factors such as
 general market conditions.



Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
I'm going to remove CPST from the portfolio.  They are in bed with the oil
 gas industry.  I think they will piss off their customers if they jump on
CF.
FSLR Put Options (2 years): 50%
XOM Put Options (2 years): 20%
CYPW: 20%

I agree we need to find more companies that make thermocouples and sterling
type devices.




On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Here's a possible portfolio so far:

 FSLR Put Options (2 years): 60%
 XOM Put Options (2 years): 20%
 CPST: 10%
 CYPW: 10%

 Entry will occur on a combination of google trends and when these equities
 make coordinated movements that aren't influenced by other factors such as
 general market conditions.



Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
CPST: 10%
***Reasonably healthy penny stock that should be reasonably healthy in 2
years + 1 day.  

CPST is listed on the nasdaq with a 496.52M market cap.  They are not a
penny stock.


On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:

 Interesting portfolio.  There's a couple of hitches in yer giddyup.


 FSLR Put Options (2 years): 60%
 XOM Put Options (2 years): 20%
 ***I dunno how to do put options, and if the breakout comes in 2 years + 1
 day, you lost everything without the benefit of what you were actually
 betting on.


 CPST: 10%
 ***Reasonably healthy penny stock that should be reasonably healthy in 2
 years + 1 day.

 CYPW: 10%
 ***Unhealthy penny stock due to development money starvation.  In the past
 it has seen a  100x spike based upon conventional news.  Dr. Yeong Kim
 consults with them. If this black swan event does not happen in 2 years,
 this company probably will be bankrupt unless it can produce a reliable
 engine.

 My approach has been 100% CYPW, but that's based upon the prior research I
 did, some personal deadlines,  and not knowing about CPST.

  My recommendation for Vorticians is a less risky approach of 60% CPST,
 20% CYPW , and 20% whatever else presents itself as an opportunity such as
 publicly traded companies that sell desalination plants.






 On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Here's a possible portfolio so far:

 FSLR Put Options (2 years): 60%
 XOM Put Options (2 years): 20%
 CPST: 10%
 CYPW: 10%

 Entry will occur on a combination of google trends and when these
 equities make coordinated movements that aren't influenced by other factors
 such as general market conditions.





Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Kevin O'Malley
You're right, even better.  They're trading at about $1.50/share.




On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:

 CPST: 10%
 ***Reasonably healthy penny stock that should be reasonably healthy in 2
 years + 1 day.  

 CPST is listed on the nasdaq with a 496.52M market cap.  They are not a
 penny stock.


 On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Interesting portfolio.  There's a couple of hitches in yer giddyup.


 FSLR Put Options (2 years): 60%
 XOM Put Options (2 years): 20%
 ***I dunno how to do put options, and if the breakout comes in 2 years +
 1 day, you lost everything without the benefit of what you were actually
 betting on.


 CPST: 10%
 ***Reasonably healthy penny stock that should be reasonably healthy in 2
 years + 1 day.

 CYPW: 10%
 ***Unhealthy penny stock due to development money starvation.  In the
 past it has seen a  100x spike based upon conventional news.  Dr. Yeong
 Kim consults with them. If this black swan event does not happen in 2
 years, this company probably will be bankrupt unless it can produce a
 reliable engine.

 My approach has been 100% CYPW, but that's based upon the prior research
 I did, some personal deadlines,  and not knowing about CPST.

  My recommendation for Vorticians is a less risky approach of 60% CPST,
 20% CYPW , and 20% whatever else presents itself as an opportunity such as
 publicly traded companies that sell desalination plants.






 On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Blaze Spinnaker 
 blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here's a possible portfolio so far:

 FSLR Put Options (2 years): 60%
 XOM Put Options (2 years): 20%
 CPST: 10%
 CYPW: 10%

 Entry will occur on a combination of google trends and when these
 equities make coordinated movements that aren't influenced by other factors
 such as general market conditions.






Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Kevin O'Malley
I don't think CPST will be pissing off their customers by jumping on CF
when it breaks out.  It will be their customers who will be pissing off the
oil  gas industry.

When hard drive manufacturers started selling to PC vendors, they didn't
stop selling to minicomputer vendors.  They just stopped development in
that area and focused on microcomputing needs.  It wasn't about pissing off
their customers, it was about their previous customers no longer funding
their projects and the new ones moving faster  taking what they could
get.  As a company, you either migrated with the sea change or you died.
Simple disruptive technology issue.


 The Innovator's Dilemma: When New Technologies Cause Great Firms to Fail
(Management of Innovation and Change)
 by  Clayton M. Christensen
http://www.amazon.com/Clayton-M.-Christensen/e/B000APPD3Y/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1
(Author)

http://www.amazon.com/The-Innovators-Dilemma-Technologies-Management/dp/142219602X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1401597910sr=8-2keywords=the+innovators+dilemma




On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 9:21 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I'm going to remove CPST from the portfolio.  They are in bed with the oil
  gas industry.  I think they will piss off their customers if they jump on
 CF.
 FSLR Put Options (2 years): 50%
 XOM Put Options (2 years): 20%
 CYPW: 20%

 I agree we need to find more companies that make thermocouples and
 sterling type devices.




 On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Here's a possible portfolio so far:

 FSLR Put Options (2 years): 60%
 XOM Put Options (2 years): 20%
 CPST: 10%
 CYPW: 10%

 Entry will occur on a combination of google trends and when these
 equities make coordinated movements that aren't influenced by other factors
 such as general market conditions.





Re: [Vo]:what would our much regretted friends say about CF today?

2014-05-31 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Peter:

I do not understand what you are asking.  What is a much regretted
friend?  If it's predictions you're after, look at these 2 threads:

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg93935.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg93531.html

How does  hope... only come from outside classic CF.

Please elaborate with an emphasis on clarity.






On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is an appeal to my readers- can you help me in analyzing
 and predicting what will happen to/in/with our Field. Just now, hope
 comes only from outside classic CF.
 This time I hope to have many answers from you, I dare to think that you
 still CARE.

 Peter

 --
 Dr. Peter Gluck
 Cluj, Romania
 http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com



Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 12:18 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:

 CYPW: 10%
 ***Unhealthy penny stock due to development money starvation.  In the past
 it has seen a  100x spike based upon conventional news.  Dr. Yeong Kim
 consults with them. If this black swan event does not happen in 2 years,
 this company probably will be bankrupt unless it can produce a reliable
 engine.

I don't think you can make a reliable engine which uses water as a lubricant.



Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio

2014-05-31 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Interesting point.  I was not aware of that aspect of their development.
Are they trying to be so oil-independent that they refuse to use it as a
lubricant?  That would be stupid.


On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 12:18 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  CYPW: 10%
  ***Unhealthy penny stock due to development money starvation.  In the
 past
  it has seen a  100x spike based upon conventional news.  Dr. Yeong Kim
  consults with them. If this black swan event does not happen in 2 years,
  this company probably will be bankrupt unless it can produce a reliable
  engine.

 I don't think you can make a reliable engine which uses water as a
 lubricant.




Re: [Vo]:An emerging diproton plus halo hypothesis

2014-05-31 Thread Axil Axil
In vacuum dynamics, it is important to get the chain of causation correct.



The key in all this is to produce a huge magnetic field.



In order to get a huge magnetic field, charge must be removed from the
electrons that produce the spin that in turn will produce this magnetic
field.



Electric charge works against concentrating large numbers of electrons from
being packed into a small compact volume. But fortunately for LENR, when
electrons are confined from moving freely, they lose their charge due to
movement accomplished exclusively by tunneling.



These electrons being tightly confined only have spin now. These electrons
can now be amassed in huge numbers. This electron packing will produce
vortex motion as has been seen in type II superconductors.



Light will combine with these electrons to produce surface plasmon
polaritons. Polaritons are only formed under high electron density
conditions. The polaritons can now project the huge magnetic fields
required to energize the vacuum.



When energy is pumped into the vacuum, virtual particle production goes way
up. If the magnetic field is high enough, virtual P mesons (pions) will be
produced.



These pions will surely disrupt nuclear activity. But magnetic fields of
lesser strength will still have LENR effects based on the increased
production of virtual particles.



Caused by increased magnetic fields, this accelerated virtual particle
production will increase the decay rates of radioactive isotopes.



One experiment demonstrated an increase in the half-life of U232 from 69
years to 6 microseconds.



 I have referenced papers here to show how the confinement of electrons on
the surface of gold nanoparticles: a nanoplasmonic mechanism can change the
half-life of U232 from 69 years to 6 microseconds. It also causes thorium
to fission.



 See references:



http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1source=webcd=1cad=rjasqi=2ved=0CC4QFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fpdf%2F1112.6276ei=nI6UUeG1Fq-N0QGypIAgusg=AFQjCNFB59F1wkDv-NzeYg5TpnyZV1kpKQsig2=fhdWJ_enNKlLA4HboFBTUAbvm=bv.46471029,d.dmQ



Experiments showing the same mechanism as listed below:



Laser-induced synthesis and decay of Tritium under exposure of solid
targets in heavy water



http://arxiv.org/abs/1306.0830



 Initiation of nuclear reactions under laser irradiation of Au
nanoparticles in the presence of Thorium aqua ions



http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0906/0906.4268.pdf





The existence of cooper pairs of protons in the Piantelli experiments shows
that protons can also lose their charge through tight confinement.



The destruction of positive charge through tunneling can be another of the
many modes of LENR reaction.



It is ironic that plasma physicists try to overcome the coulomb barrier in
huge machines as big as sports stadiums but nanotechnologist can do this
same job better by building nanowires in just the proper way to do that
erstwhile daunting mission.



No wonder why orthodox science cannot believe that these amazing feats can
be so easily done in such a marvelously smarter way.




On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:

  I apologize for responding  so tardily.  But I have been in transit and
 outfitting for my summer/fall in Alaska.


  Jones--

 The dimensions of the emitter associated with spin transitions in a
 nucleus or during nuclear magnetic momentum transitions does not have
 anything to do with the size of the nucleus.  As robin points out the size
 of the wave length of the EM radiation does not depend upon the size of the
 emitting entity.  I think it depends upon the differential energy between
 quantum states involved in the transition to a lower state.The geometry
 of course is involved in determination of the allowed states, but  a
 typical dimension may not be apparent.

 That being said I think the halo concept is instructive in thinking about
 how energy states may change as a virtual particle changes to a stable
 ground state.  I like to think of a virtual di-deuterium particle
 collapsing to a He particle in the Pd / Deuterium system.  In fact the
 Cooper paring of two Deuterium atoms to form an excited virtual pair,
 starting out with antiparallel alignment each with high spin quantum number
 totaling a net of 0 of the target He ground state, may explain the energy
 fractionation that apparently occurs in small energy increments.

 Separately, I tend to agree with Robin that the need to try to combine the
 electric and gravitation forces is not warranted unless it is a
 consideration in a strong magnetic field to cause the paring to start.
 This may be more important in the Ni H system where a catalyst is needed--a
 Cooper pair of electrons or a di-proton.  Of course a Pd system may also
 experience high magnetic fields and assistance in Cooper pairing.

 I am not sure that the restriction to one dimension in the strong magnetic
 field involves controlling the gravitational field as