[Vo]:Re: Dog Bone Project

2015-02-14 Thread Mark Jurich
 I wrote:

   |  With this LAH mass, the Ideal Gas Law Maximum Pressure comes out as  8388 
psi,
   |  and using the van der Waals equation of state, approx. 1.07 times that, 
or 8976 psi.

I just went thru the van der Waals equation of state calculation, and the 
pressure comes
out to be 9641 psi or 15% more (not 8976 psi or 7% more).

The van der Waals Equation of State for this case is:

p[psi] = 14.6959488 psi  +  ((wR(T+273.15)) / (v-wb))  –  a(w/v)^2

where
R = 0.06355261 [ml][psi] / ([K][mgLAH])
a[H2] = 0.0099592 [ml^2][psi] / [mgLAH^2]
b[H2] = 0.001402 [ml] / [mgLAH]

and the parameters specific to this experiment/test are:

w = 105 mgLAH
v = 1.06 ml
T= 1057 C

Mark Jurich

[Vo]:a LENR+ project has started

2015-02-14 Thread Peter Gluck
Wish you a fine weekend just because/despite the fact that I am sending you
this:

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/02/lenr-knowledge-management-project.html

-Warm greetings,

Peter

Dr. Peter Gluck
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Re: [Vo]:Re: Dog Bone Project

2015-02-14 Thread Mark Jurich
I indeed found an error I had made in the calculation directly below, but the 
discrepancy between the first MFMP revision still exists.

Here is what I believe is the equation Alan would use, neglecting the value of 
the delivered volume of total charge to the cell:

mLAH  = mtotal  /  (1 + VRxDR)

where mLAH = Mass of Lithium Aluminum Hydride,
   mtotal = TOTAL charge/fuel Mass (0.67 g),
   VR = Volume Ratio (Ni Volume) / (LAH Volume) (2.5)
DR = Density Ratio (Ni Density) / (LAH Density) (2.1545 = 1.06/0.492)

Using this equation, I calculate the mass of LAH at 0.105 g (or 105 mg)
and the Ni mass at 0.67 g – 0.105 g = 0.565 g (or 565 mg),
instead of the mistakes of 124 mg  546 mg, in the post directly below.

... In the first MFMP Revision, DR = 9.714 (8.908/0.917), so I calculate the 
mass of LAH at 0.0265 g
(instead of the mistake 0.0276 g, below), in disagreement with the value of 
0.0197 g.

It would be nice if we can resolve this discrepancy.

With this LAH mass, the Ideal Gas Law Maximum Pressure comes out as  8388 psi,
and using the van der Waals equation of state, approx. 1.07 times that, or 8976 
psi.

This is using 1.06 ml as the free volume and 1057 C as the temperature.

Mark Jurich

-Original Message- 
From: Mark Jurich 
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 6:00 PM 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: [Vo]:Re: Dog Bone Project 

If one takes the MFMP measured densities along with the volume ratio 2.5 
(neglecting the delivered volume value as data), one gets:

mass Li(AlH4) = 124 mg
mass Ni = 0.67 - .124 = 546 mg

This is similar to the way Alan calculated it in the Revision, but I 
couldn't recreate his exact value in that revision ( 0.0197 g; I get 0.0276 
g), so I may have an error in the above values

The maximum pressure comes out to be approx. 9480 psi ... If one uses the 
van der Waals Equation of State instead of the Ideal Gas Law, the maximum 
pressure will be approx. 1.07 times that (10,144 psi).

... Anything over 10,000 psi is not good.  Consider the fact that an abrupt 
pressure change may cause the Alumina to crack (just like an abrupt 
temperature change causes glass to crack).  If the pressure rushed up to 
such a value, it may be the cause.  I believe this data is probably 
tabulated somewhere for Alumina, at high temperatures.  We need to find a 
paper or some values.

Mark Jurich

-Original Message- 
From: Mark Jurich
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 5:33 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Dog Bone Project

Correction (typo) on Mass Ni (Original Message) ... Should be 563.3 mg ...

The Measured Density by MFMP for Li(AlH4) is 0.492 g/cc.  If I use that
value instead of 0.74 times 0.917 g/cc (0.74 is theoretical maximum packing
density for identical spheres), which is 0.679 g/cc, I get:

   Mass Li(AlH4) = 77.3 mg
   Mass Ni = 592.7 mg
   Density Ni = 1.509 g/cc

I need to double-check these.

Mark Jurich

-Original Message- 
From: Mark Jurich
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 4:57 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Re: Dog Bone Project

FYI:

I just made a calculation where I assumed the Li(AlH4) Powder density to be
0.74 times 0.917 g/cc.  I then calculated the remaining 3 unknowns:

   Mass Li(AlH4) = 106.6 mg
   Mass Ni = 6282.6 mg
   Density Ni = 1.434 g/cc

I assumed the delivered volume was 0.55 cc (0.5 to 0.6 cc)

I then went searching for the Ni Density by the manufacturer of the actual
Ni used, by first trying to identify the manufacturer at the MFMP Site (via
EverNote).  I then saw that MFMP have determined the density to be 1.06 g/cc
just a short while ago .  This is close...

...More when I find out more.

Mark Jurich


-Original Message- 
From: AlanG
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 8:44 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Dog Bone Project

Mark, the powders were already inside the glove box when the scale (also
inside the box) failed, so volume measurements were the only data I had
available. As a result, precise mass measurement was not possible, nor
was determination of exact densities by measurement. The relative
density of the powders was taken from the bulk densities as given in the
respective Wikipedia entries. Unknowns include the packing ratio of each
of the powders. They are both finely divided but not nano scale, so
assuming a similar packing seems reasonable in the absence of other data.

The volumes were calculated from dimensions of the actual components
used, measured with a digital caliper. The space between the filler rod
and the ID of the tube is significant and was included in my
calculation. The possible vacant volume within the powder mass was not
included, nor was the possible absorption of H2 into the nickel, which
we think was minimal given the time scale of the experiment.

Regarding the calculation itself, the mass of the fuel was determined
accurately by weighing the loaded cell after sealing and removal from
the glove box. This was divided by the 

Re: [Vo]:blast from the past

2015-02-14 Thread Alain Sepeda
2015-02-13 16:04 GMT+01:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net:

 EP 0461690 A2


the zeolithe structure let me think they were not far from todays ideas on
nanostructured material


RE: [Vo]:blast from the past

2015-02-14 Thread Jones Beene
From: Alain Sepeda

EP 0461690 A2 …the zeolite structure let me think they were not far from todays 
ideas on nanostructured material…

Both zeolites and Raney nickel have intrigued researchers over the years in the 
context of reactivity with hydrogen at nanoscale dimensions, but many 
experiments have come up short… well, not really short but unconvincing. 

Many experiments with zeolites and Raney nickel seem to show low COP in the 
range of 1.1 to 1.2 which is still in the noise level but begging for more 
research.