Re: [Vo]:Perhaps shooting myself in the foot

2015-09-18 Thread Lennart Thornros
Hello Steven, Yeah to some degree it hurts to know that I cannot learn this very illogical language after I have been in school for 10 years and then spent as long time as you are old practising (incl of school). However, my excuses are that the language is illogical. I fight the issue daily a

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread leaking pen
They never claimed they thought it was a bomb. They KNEW it wasnt a bomb. They claim to have thought that he was trying to pass it off as a bomb to scare people. (which is even more assinine) On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > The Ahmed Mohamed case

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery wrote: > The linked analysis posits that Ahmed's clock started out as another > clock, rather than a box of parts . . . > Yes, that is what Ahmed said. He put together clock electronics with a new LCD driver and power supply. It took him 20 minutes. , and Ahmed

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
leaking pen wrote: > They never claimed they thought it was a bomb. They KNEW it wasnt a bomb. > They claim to have thought that he was trying to pass it off as a bomb to > scare people. (which is even more assinine) > I believe that was their fall back position. At first

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery wrote: The real reason the police were called in: > [ref. fake bomb statute] No, that is not the reason. The police were called in because the teacher and principal thought it was a real bomb. That is what they accused the kid of having. You need to read the

[Vo]:The megafarad capacitor

2015-09-18 Thread Jones Beene
There is an eccentric inventor on YouTube named Robert Murray-Smith, who has been working towards the megafarad capacitor using graphene oxide, and has recently made progress (without much funding). Certainly, the best use of coal is not to burn it - but to turn it into graphene (and CNT,

RE: [Vo]:Perhaps shooting myself in the foot

2015-09-18 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
>From Lennart > I will take risk. > This video about how strong the word is. (The critic (well founded btw) > about my grammar should probably not make me bring this but I think it > is so good that I take chance. Have a cigar it is Friday. > Words mean a lot. ... Good link,

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread James Bowery
Ahmed Mohamed, His Clock, and the Curious Turn of Events 164 Posted by timothy

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Alain Sepeda
this devices does not look like a bomb. too complex. To be honest it does not even look like a clock, too complex. It look like a single board computer of 1980 generation with LCD display. This is probably what it is with modern controllers. The kid need some years in electronic engineering school

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
Good thing Sailer isn't hallucinating or mind-reading here! Hmm. His dad ran for Sudanese president. How suspicious! Hmmm. Kid builds a clock and this means he is…demonizing the West! On Sep 18, 2015, at 12:31 PM, James Bowery wrote: > Keep providing payoffs in terms of

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
S. Sailer said: > His dad helped him “make” this, and dad helped to make this “project” look > as questionable as possible, within the realm of plausible deniability. > In this case "as questionable as possible" means "not even slightly questionable to anyone who knows the first thing about

[Vo]:Perhaps shooting myself in the foot

2015-09-18 Thread Lennart Thornros
I will take risk. This video about how strong the word is. (The critic (well founded btw) about my grammar should probably not make me bring this but I think it is so good that I take chance. Have a cigar it is Friday. Words mean a lot.

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker wrote: > Probably not. But just in case, I will not bring something that looks > vaguely like a bomb to my place of work. > What if your place of work is a high school dedicated to teaching engineering?!? I cannot think of a more appropriate thing to bring

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread James Bowery
Keep providing payoffs in terms of moral authority and social status for this kind of behavior and you are going to keep getting more of it: Steve Sailer: I’m sure you’ve heard about the Sudanese Muslim immigrant kid in Texas who was arrested for bringing his home made electronic clock to school

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread James Bowery
What physical precautions did they take that indicates they thought it was a bomb rather than a hoax device? On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > James Bowery wrote: > > The real reason the police were called in: >> > > [ref. fake

Re: [Vo]:ADGEX Flashlight Creators Announce USB PowerBank

2015-09-18 Thread mixent
In reply to Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson's message of Fri, 18 Sep 2015 09:51:21 -0500: Hi, True, note however that the box is larger than a cell phone. The energy density of supercaps is not as great as that of Li batteries. The short charging time comes at a cost. >From Robin > > > >>

[Vo]:IMPORTANT: first information about the historical Workshop of AIRBUS-LENR CITIES-ISCMNS

2015-09-18 Thread Peter Gluck
It is this, take please in account its preliminary character: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/09/sep-18-2015-subjective-preview-of.html But you can already see it is great in more respects and senses Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Lawrence de Bivort wrote: Let's say that the kid's clock looked like a Hollywood bomb. > Yes, let's acknowledge this simple point, for our own credibility. Let's go further for the sake of completeness -- it's missing the explosives. The

RE: [Vo]:ADGEX Flashlight Creators Announce USB PowerBank

2015-09-18 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
>From Robin > To me it looks they have just put a supercap in a box, with some electronics. Yes, I would agree with you. In the demo you can see him plug the larger box (the box that is still a prototype) into a wall outlet. 30 seconds later the box appears to be fully charged whereas

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Japanese Members of Parliament are spry!

2015-09-18 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed sed: > It is good to know that national leaders keep in shape. > I'll bet they could beat the crap out of the U.S. Senate. Yesterday I watched a great documentary on the life and films of Stanley Kubrick. The following classic comes to mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAeqVGP-GPM

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Japanese Members of Parliament are spry!

2015-09-18 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
My apologies to Mr. Beene. I c he already beat me to the punchline. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:26 AM, Alain Sepeda wrote: if someone with notion of electronics says that it looks like a bomb, I > remove even his bachelor of science immediately. > You and Jed have both missed the point. The skill that went into the thing has nothing to

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Alain Sepeda
since bomb squad was not called, since they kept the bomb witrh the policemen, and did not evacuate the zone, it is clear they never believed it was a bomb. if they did not believed it was a bomb but arrested the kid, why? now it is more clear, and at least you cannot accuse an technology

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker wrote: > You and Jed have both missed the point. The skill that went into the > thing has nothing to do with what is of concern. The intention is what is > of concern. What does a young kid who brought such a thing to a school > intend to do? > He clearly

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Lennart Thornros
Hello Guys , I like this discussion. The real solution is to make the definition; what is a fake bomb? How does it look? Goes it sound? Any significant thing that gives away that this is a bomb? Blaze says , "It is a felony to make a fake bomb". Anything can be considered looking as a bomb.

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
Let's say that the kid's clock looked like a Hollywood bomb. The kid gets accosted by school personnel. So far so good. But instead of handcuffing him, belittling him, calling the cops, and suspending him, intelligent school personnel would have looked at the clock seen that it was no bomb,

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Alain Sepeda
oops, not LCD, but LED... no LCD affordable at my time. 2015-09-18 9:26 GMT+02:00 Alain Sepeda : > this devices does not look like a bomb. > too complex. > To be honest it does not even look like a clock, too complex. > It look like a single board computer of 1980

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Eric Walker
You seem intent on distorting my position. You give the impression of being naive. I want school administrators asking those questions. I don't want them reacting the way the ones in Texas did. Eric On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Lawrence de Bivort wrote: > So

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
So anyone's "concerns" are grounds enough for breaking the law? For unbridled bigotry? Remember the mainstay of our legal system, "innocent until proven guilty?" Or does your fear justify tearing up our Constitution? Gee. I have concerns about bigots and sadists masquerading as police

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Lennart Thornros
Larry, I agree with you. There is a constant fear for doing what one think is logical and instead give in to fear. Thus creating stupid, non-enforceable laws, which needs exemptions and support laws to cover the loopholes and then we have this situation when we do not allow LENR (as an example) as

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson < orionwo...@charter.net> wrote: > > I disagree. The concerns would have vanished, if not had been greatly > reduced. > You guys appear to be forgetting the Columbine high school massacre. Eric

RE: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Ahmed gets his revenge in TIME Magazine: http://time.com/4038305/ahmed-mohamed-clock-mit/?xid=newsletter-brief Excerpt: But during the press conference, Mohamed explained what he really wants to do: go to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology for collage. In the meantime, he

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson < orionwo...@charter.net> wrote: Ahmed gets his revenge in TIME Magazine: > http://time.com/4038305/ahmed-mohamed-clock-mit/?xid=newsletter-brief The biggest tragedy is that Ahmed appears to have failed to learn an important

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
Well, hell, Eric. Will YOU build a bomb next week and kill people? Probably not. Maybe. Maybe! This is mere hysteria. Maybe. If we arrest people and harass them on the grounds of potential 'maybe's, then everyone should be locked up right away. Oh, wait. Maybe the police are maybe going

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Daniel Rocha
That's a case of xenophobia. Just that. Ahmed=arab=terrorist

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
The biggest tragedy is that adults have failed to learn an important lesson--don't pander to your fears, don't embrace your bigotry, and don't throw our laws (against false arrest, and the right of adolescents to have their parents present when they are being interrogated) for example) and

RE: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
>From Eric > But ignore Mohamed's race and religion for a moment, and the concerns remain. I disagree. The concerns would have vanished, if not had been greatly reduced. >From my POV it appears that the argument you are making, as well as the school >administrator's POV, were NOT

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Lawrence de Bivort wrote: Well, hell, Eric. > Will YOU build a bomb next week and kill people? Probably not. Maybe. > Probably not. But just in case, I will not bring something that looks vaguely like a bomb to my place of work. Nor will

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
I don't forget it. I was directly affected by it. Nor do I forget the atmosphere of bullying that the Columbine principal and coaches fostered in the school, and how the students-turned-killers were the standing target of that bullying. When will people learn that when people are mistreated,

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

2015-09-18 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
" I don't want them reacting the way the ones in Texas did." Thank you for this, Eric. To react differently, people have to change their thinking, abandon their emotional and cognitive scarring from the past, eschew their bigotries, challenge their own assumptions and the assertions of