Rocket launch play backwards.
https://youtu.be/dGf4iXK95SY
Harry
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 10:32 PM, Vibrator ! wrote:
> That's conflating relativistic mass with rest mass. I know the conclusion
> that potential energy raises a system's mass is commonly accepted as an
> inevitable implication of GR, but it's one frought with pitfalls:
>
> For instance, i dig a 1
>From a static observer's POV, such a craft would be able to gain more KE
than the PE it was provided with. So spacetime would have to be positively
contributing energy, rather than the craft simply swimming in quantum goo.
On board the craft, CoE holds - the correct amount of work is being
perfo
That's conflating relativistic mass with rest mass. I know the conclusion
that potential energy raises a system's mass is commonly accepted as an
inevitable implication of GR, but it's one frought with pitfalls:
For instance, i dig a 1 meter-deep hole next to a 1 kg mass, at 1 G the
system now ha
I wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q2XXeasAA
> No machine can do this, but then again must cause and effect respect
> mechanical laws?
Suppose you lived in a "rewind universe" where what you see in the
video is just normal behaviour and the laws of mechanics were unknown.
At first I thin
But as already noted, gyroscopes (rotating bodies generally) and the
magnetic field (as evinced by Faraday's spinning inductor paradox) also
have their own unique frames (classically, the "outermost sphere of fixed
stars") - and they're not warp bubbles!?
A warp bubble is specifically a contortion
The problem in trying to tap spin is that it's an elementary,
higher-dimensional construct.. for instance a full rotation of a half-spin
particle requires 720°... so it's quite unlike the mechanical property.
And while we can spin off quasi particles such as spinons or polaritons
etc., these are co
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Bob Higgins
wrote:
My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that the thrust Shawyer
> calculates and measures from his devices is several orders of magnitude
> higher than what could be obtained from photon radiation recoil - even if
> all of the generated RF w
Hi all
In reply to Jed Rothwell.
The 15% Figure is the maximum value of oil in post fossil fuel age and the
$1 value is what they stated they are willing to go to.
The reality of the future market price is between the two.
Factors that will affect the price of oil including allowing or causing
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Russ George wrote:
How about a simple verbal explanation as opposed to movies… few of us open
> movies posted in the wild on the net, it’s rather like poking at a mangy
> looking sleeping dog one comes across.
>
Frank is welcome to send a link to a video, and yo
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Russ George wrote:
Your understanding is correct, the thrust observed is far from that
> possible due to photon radiation recoil. That’s a bogus strawman lure cast
> up from under the bridge.
>
Please explain how a thought experiment is a strawman argument.
Eri
Pet plastic depolarizes a beam of polarized light. How is that for a simple
explanation.
Frank Z
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/08/06/the-looming-bankruptcy-of-saudi-arabia/#74ea1456eee2
https://youtu.be/Jkqb4bUgJ9c
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 10:35 PM, Jed Rothwell
wrote:
> Ian Walker wrote:
>
>
>> So oil will drop to 15% of its expected value from that 2014 high.
>>
>
> When t
The ability to control spin of photons is at the heart if the LENR
mechanism. The concentration and focusing of the spin of many photons
produces monopole flux tubes that interfere with the strong force which is
a monopole based interaction between quarks which are really monopoles
themselves.
The
Or maybe the inventor was Puthoff. I think the Puthoff measured the velocity
of the projected gravity pulse at a velocity greater than the speed of light.
At the report of that experiment I wondered if the expansion of the Universe
could be related to the speed of the gravity pulse that, I th
The anti gravity devices that have been described, including those that can
project gravity impulses at more than the speed of light, should not be
forgotten. I think its inventor was named Podkletnov.
From: Russ George
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 10:00 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: R
Bob,
Now I see what you are suggesting and I agree with you 100%. Two equal but
opposite sources of angular momentum can combine together with a net of zero
angular momentum, which is actually what existed mathematically in the closed
system before they joined. However, the rotational energy
Dave--
As I understand, the minimum spin quanta applies to transitions in all coherent
systems. I am suggesting that there may be a conversion of spin energy with
its angular momentum to pure energy with no residual angular momentum. That
could be the case if two spinors with equal and opposi
I wrote:
> Another interpretation regarding the EmDrive is that the thrust is
> real but the effect (for whatever reason) requires an external source
> of electricity. On the plus side the thrust could not be explained
> away as an artifact of the electrical forces between the input wires,
> but on
On Tues 3/15/2016 Jones Beene said [snip] Shawyer claims that a standing wave
interference pattern is created by geometry, operating frequency path lengths.
And he claims that “stress energy of space” is altered by the interference
pattern. That sounds a lot like aether.[/snip]
I agr
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Russ George wrote:
I believe that anyone with eyes and experience can see in the many EM drive
> reports the apparent evidence for the absence of emissions inside and
> outside of the microwave spectrum of the several EM drives that have been
> widely reported on
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/03/mar-15-2016-portrait-of-lenr-diplomat.html
They will have a lot to do!
--
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Your understanding is correct, the thrust observed is far from that possible
due to photon radiation recoil. That’s a bogus strawman lure cast up from under
the bridge. The higher Q = higher thrust prediction is long standing,
easily/readily testable, and presumably Shawyer and others have done
RE: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)Jones--
I do not have a reference to the entire book edited by Vonsovskii. However, I
would think that spin waves would have mass, since they have some energy
associated with them. I would like to get a free library reference to the
book. It may be in Jed collection.
How about a simple verbal explanation as opposed to movies… few of us open
movies posted in the wild on the net, it’s rather like poking at a mangy
looking sleeping dog one comes across.
From: Frank Znidarsic [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 10:11 AM
To: vortex-l@es
Try again on this link somehow its coming out wrong.
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/operation.wmv
Frank Z
Another interpretation regarding the EmDrive is that the thrust is
real but the effect (for whatever reason) requires an external source
of electricity. On the plus side the thrust could not be explained
away as an artifact of the electrical forces between the input wires,
but on the down side it w
Greetings Vortex-L,
Interesting material BUT there is also a link to Space-time with Kagome
Lattices:
http://phys.org/news/2016-03-quest-liquids.html
A google of Kagome Lattice and Space-Time:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%22kagome+lattice%22+%22space+time%22
Ad astra,
Ron Kita, Chiralex
I believe that anyone with eyes and experience can see in the many EM drive
reports the apparent evidence for the absence of emissions inside and outside
of the microwave spectrum of the several EM drives that have been widely
reported on. There is no joy in beating the fantasy strawman to death
Bob,
I agree that It becomes difficult to relate to real life when one discusses
rotational energy as you seem to imply. In classical physical systems it is
not too difficult to convert linear kinetic energy into rotational energy. Of
course the total closed system linear momentum and angular
My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that the thrust Shawyer
calculates and measures from his devices is several orders of magnitude
higher than what could be obtained from photon radiation recoil - even if
all of the generated RF were radiated unidirectionally. A small leak of RF
would prov
Bob – although interesting, in this reference Vonsovskii does not mention the
mass of the spin wave. Or if he did, I missed it, so please supply that
reference.
Having real mass could mean everything in the context of understanding why
conservation of momentum is not violated in the Em - and
RE: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)Jones--
Spin waves are discussed in the Ferromagnetism book I identified in this
thread--
Ferromagnetic Resonance: The Phenomenon of Resonant Absorption of a High ...
edited by S. V. Vonsovskii
I did not want to raise any more controversy!
Thanks of keeping me
Dave—
People do not like to go there when it comes to the equivalence of spin angular
momentum and other forms of energy. Since spin has a minimum associated with
the Planck constant, it suggests a minimum quanta of energy also IMHO. I know
of no explanation along these lines however.
Bob Co
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 10:24 AM, David Roberson wrote:
I would assume that the guys working on these devices have the expertise to
> ensure that a very minimum amount of RF is escaping from their shielded
> cavity. This is not too difficult to achieve in real life with highly
> conductive cavit
Eric etal---
The following is a link to an abridged book on ferromagnetic resonance. (Note
the subject index.) It has an explanation of Cherenkov Radiation at page 135
which is part of the abridgement. Does anyone have a free link to this book?
I think it would be a good reference to EM dr
A related but alternative bit of insight comes from John Wallace in the cited
paper on spin waves. I thought Bob Cook was aware of it, but maybe not since he
did not bring up the most important detail - mass.
It would be relevant to Shawyer’s drive if the Frustum were to have an iron
liner compo
I would assume that the guys working on these devices have the expertise to
ensure that a very minimum amount of RF is escaping from their shielded cavity.
This is not too difficult to achieve in real life with highly conductive
cavities.
Also, the actual thrust due to photons being emitted is
I wrote:
There was an interesting YouTube video that was mentioned here within the
> last year, maybe, that showed how RF could readily escape from a metal
> trashcan that was being used as a Faraday cage if electrical conducting
> tape was not used to carefully tape down the lid.
>
Sorry, that s
When might somehow be important but if you take the process to the extreme you
get a result that doesn't make any sense. For example, if the spaceship
continues to use up its mass in a constant acceleration process that requires
power and thus energy to be expended for the drive, then eventuall
corrected link
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/operation.wmvm/scifi2/zpt/temp/operation.wmv
Secret of the plastic detector model number I. Model II is confidential.
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/operation.wmvm/scifi2/zpt/temp/Operation.wmv
Frank Znidarsic
Secret of the plastic detector model number I. Model II is confidential.
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/operation.wmvm/scifi2/zpt/temp/Operation.wmv
Frank Znidarsic
Eric and Russ etal.--
Check out the following link:
http://www.andrijar.com/cherenkov/cherenkov.htm
I am surprised Axil has not already noted this.
Bob Cook
From: Eric Walker
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 8:46 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 8:48 AM, David Roberson wrote:
Of course thrust would be generated if RF is directed away from the drive
> into space. Unfortunately, this is not happening in these devices since
> they are well shielded and keep the RF from escaping.
>
There was an interesting YouTube v
Notice that I had an etc. at the end of that short list! The poor guy ran into
the wall as it was speeding in his direction. It also happens that the Earth
spins a little bit faster or perhaps slower than before the car's acceleration
to absorb some of that original energy. It can get complic
The car expends energy when it accelerates to a higher velocity in the
direction of motion. This must result in a reduction of mass since it takes
power input to perform that motion. When regenerative braking is used, energy
is returned to the car batteries which means the battery mass must th
Of course thrust would be generated if RF is directed away from the drive into
space. Unfortunately, this is not happening in these devices since they are
well shielded and keep the RF from escaping.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Eric Walker
To: vortex-l
Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2
Perhaps "when" did the mass go answers the question better to explain the
spatial imbalance.
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From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com]
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 5:15 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)
In reply to Davi
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