Re: [Vo]:History of cold fusion in Italy

[Alain Sepeda]

One improbable hypothesis is that the strange behavior,
like reported by IH about the way the Swedish licensee was deterred, is
that once again Rossi succeeded in convincing his partner to flee, so he
can marry with a new bride...

I don't believe it, but we cannot be sure.

moreover consider that some strange tests show behaviors that are difficult
to interpret as total failures.

one characteristic of Rossi, we tolerated and justified too long, is to
maintain permanent uncertainty.



2016-08-30 0:00 GMT+02:00 a.ashfield :

> But countless times you have said Rossi is a fraud and the COP<1
> Now you're saying the E-Cat maybe worked?
> If the E-Cat worked earlier do you really suppose Rossi retrograded
> performance with time?
> AA
>
>
>
> On 8/29/2016 5:09 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> a.ashfield  wrote:
>
>
>> It seems the American Physical Society is going to publish replication
>> results of Rossi's Ni/H2/L reactor
>> How are you going to explain that Jed?
>>
>
> Any member can publish anything at an APS conference. (They set that rule
> many years ago, after a rather gruesome incident.)
>
> This result, if true, might indicate Ni-H cold fusion works, but that has
> no bearing on the fact that Rossi's 1 year test could not possibly have
> produced 1 MW.
>
> Rossi's earlier results might be real. I cannot rule that out, as I have
> said before. However, there is not the slightest chance this result is real
> because as I said the heat would kill everyone in the room. Also, the flow
> meter and pressure readings appear to be fake. The flow meter numbers are
> too regular to be true, and the pressure is impossible.
>
> - Jed
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[Jones Beene]

In a quick search to see if there are known candidates for Weyl semimetals 
which also are known to be contaminants of palladium in small quantities, one 
candidate has turned up - Pr2Ir2O7. In fact iridium is commonly found with 
palladium ore. Praseodymium is a rare earth element that also has a history in 
past research….

 

BTW – finding a rare dopant or contaminant which greatly catalyzes LENR would 
answer many open questions…

 

 

“Electrons with no mass”… wow… imagine the possibilities.

 

Massless electrons ? Actually we should call them Weyl Fermions (WF) since by 
definition, the electron has mass and we do not want to ruffle too many 
feathers. And a quick googling indicates high probability that WF have been 
verified by several groups.

 

Closer to home, the first possibility (opportunity) which comes to mind in the 
context of LENR is ultra-dense hydrogen. Since the WF has almost no mass, the 
particle could potentially orbit or attach to a proton at very close range, no? 

 

Hmm… maybe what Holmid and others claim to see as UDH in not what they thought, 
but instead is a neutral particle consisting of a proton and a WF with an 
diameter of a few fermi… (electrons do not feel the strong force).

 

This implies that the active material for LENR could contain – and it would be 
inadvertent – a small amount of Weyl semimetal as a contaminant … and there are 
probably will be many of them found once we start looking. 

 

RE: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[Jones Beene]

“Electrons with no mass”… wow… imagine the possibilities.

 

Massless electrons ? Actually we should call them Weyl Fermions (WF) since by 
definition, the electron has mass and we do not want to ruffle too many 
feathers. And a quick googling indicates high probability that WF have been 
verified by several groups.

 

Closer to home, the first possibility (opportunity) which comes to mind in the 
context of LENR is ultra-dense hydrogen. Since the WF has almost no mass, the 
particle could potentially orbit or attach to a proton at very close range, no? 

 

Hmm… maybe what Holmid and others claim to see as UDH in not what they thought, 
but instead is a neutral particle consisting of a proton and a WF with an 
diameter of a few fermi… (electrons do not feel the strong force).

 

This implies that the active material for LENR could contain – and it would be 
inadvertent – a small amount of Weyl semimetal as a contaminant … and there are 
probably will be many of them found once we start looking. 

 

Re: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[Axil Axil]

http://libtreasures.utdallas.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10735.1/4175/NSM-FR-FZhang-271294.23.pdf?sequence=1

Dirac and Weyl Superconductors in Three Dimensions

It looks like both  Dirac and Weyl semimetals are superconductors. Magnetic
field will affect them with respect of their quasiparticles.

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> http://arxiv.org/pdf/1412.6543.pdf
>
> The chiral magnetic effect is the generation of electric current induced
> by chirality imbalance in the presence of magnetic field. It is a
> macroscopic manifestation of the quantum anomaly1,2 in relativistic field
> theory of chiral fermions (massless spin 1/2 particles with a definite
> projection of spin on momentum) – a dramatic phenomenon arising from a
> collective motion of particles and antiparticles in the Dirac sea. The
> recent discovery3–5 of Dirac semimetals with chiral quasi-particles opens a
> fascinating possibility to study this phenomenon in condensed matter
> experiments. Here we report on the first observation of chiral magnetic
> effect through the measurement of magneto-transport in* zirconium
> pentatelluride, ZrTe5*. Our angle-resolved photoemission spectroscopy
> experiments show that this material’s electronic structure is consistent
> with a 3D Dirac semimetal. We observe a large negative magnetoresistance
> when magnetic field is parallel with the current. The measured quadratic
> field dependence of the magnetoconductance is a clear indication of the
> chiral magnetic effect. The observed phenomenon stems from the effective
> transmutation of *Dirac semimetal into a Weyl semimetal* induced by the
> parallel electric and magnetic fields that represent a topologically
> nontrivial gauge field background.
>
> I had it backward, the magnetic field produces Weyl quasiparticles,
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 9:26 PM, John Berry 
> wrote:
>
>> "zirconium pentatelluride,ZrTe5, that provides strong evidence for the
>> chiral magnetic effect:.
>>
>> My research is all based on chirality of coils that produce fundamentally
>> different "currents".
>>
>> This is no doubt closely related to my work!
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:23 PM, John Berry 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "This is because in ZrTe5 the electrons responsible for the current
>>> have no mass."
>>>
>>> That itself sounds like a dramatic claim, electrons with no mass?
>>>
>>> I am able to produce a current of something that I believe is like an
>>> electron albeit not propperly physical, and I believe it gains something by
>>> moving through magnetic fields.
>>>
>>> I think I might be moving something akin to a virtual electron, albeit
>>> one that does not have the correct quanta to manifest physically to regular
>>> meters, but can be readily detected by a significant percentage of the
>>> population including in conditions outside of any possible
>>> conventional explanation like the Placebo effect.
>>>
>>> But there is another current in the reverse direction that is denser and
>>> appears to be more like a proton.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>>>
 Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high
 magnetic field

 http://flip.it/bkDC21

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[Axil Axil]

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1412.6543.pdf

The chiral magnetic effect is the generation of electric current induced by
chirality imbalance in the presence of magnetic field. It is a macroscopic
manifestation of the quantum anomaly1,2 in relativistic field theory of
chiral fermions (massless spin 1/2 particles with a definite projection of
spin on momentum) – a dramatic phenomenon arising from a collective motion
of particles and antiparticles in the Dirac sea. The recent discovery3–5 of
Dirac semimetals with chiral quasi-particles opens a fascinating
possibility to study this phenomenon in condensed matter experiments. Here
we report on the first observation of chiral magnetic effect through the
measurement of magneto-transport in* zirconium pentatelluride, ZrTe5*. Our
angle-resolved photoemission spectroscopy experiments show that this
material’s electronic structure is consistent with a 3D Dirac semimetal. We
observe a large negative magnetoresistance when magnetic field is parallel
with the current. The measured quadratic field dependence of the
magnetoconductance is a clear indication of the chiral magnetic effect. The
observed phenomenon stems from the effective transmutation of *Dirac
semimetal into a Weyl semimetal* induced by the parallel electric and
magnetic fields that represent a topologically nontrivial gauge field
background.

I had it backward, the magnetic field produces Weyl quasiparticles,

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 9:26 PM, John Berry  wrote:

> "zirconium pentatelluride,ZrTe5, that provides strong evidence for the
> chiral magnetic effect:.
>
> My research is all based on chirality of coils that produce fundamentally
> different "currents".
>
> This is no doubt closely related to my work!
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:23 PM, John Berry 
> wrote:
>
>> "This is because in ZrTe5 the electrons responsible for the current have
>> no mass."
>>
>> That itself sounds like a dramatic claim, electrons with no mass?
>>
>> I am able to produce a current of something that I believe is like an
>> electron albeit not propperly physical, and I believe it gains something by
>> moving through magnetic fields.
>>
>> I think I might be moving something akin to a virtual electron, albeit
>> one that does not have the correct quanta to manifest physically to regular
>> meters, but can be readily detected by a significant percentage of the
>> population including in conditions outside of any possible
>> conventional explanation like the Placebo effect.
>>
>> But there is another current in the reverse direction that is denser and
>> appears to be more like a proton.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>>
>>> Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic
>>> field
>>>
>>> http://flip.it/bkDC21
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[John Berry]

"zirconium pentatelluride,ZrTe5, that provides strong evidence for the
chiral magnetic effect:.

My research is all based on chirality of coils that produce fundamentally
different "currents".

This is no doubt closely related to my work!

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:23 PM, John Berry  wrote:

> "This is because in ZrTe5 the electrons responsible for the current have
> no mass."
>
> That itself sounds like a dramatic claim, electrons with no mass?
>
> I am able to produce a current of something that I believe is like an
> electron albeit not propperly physical, and I believe it gains something by
> moving through magnetic fields.
>
> I think I might be moving something akin to a virtual electron, albeit one
> that does not have the correct quanta to manifest physically to regular
> meters, but can be readily detected by a significant percentage of the
> population including in conditions outside of any possible
> conventional explanation like the Placebo effect.
>
> But there is another current in the reverse direction that is denser and
> appears to be more like a proton.
>
> John
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>
>> Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic
>> field
>>
>> http://flip.it/bkDC21
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[Axil Axil]

http://phys.org/news/2016-03-cool-pressure-superconductivity-3d-dirac.html

Cool under pressure: Superconductivity in 3D Dirac semimetal zirconium
pentatelluride ZrTe5

The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weyl_semimetal

The *Weyl quasiparticle is a light speed particle found in *Weyl_semimetal.

ZrTe5 is a Weyl_semimetal.

The magnetic field disrupts this superconductive state whereby the
electrons loss their *Weyl quasiparticle characteristics.*



On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic
> field
>
> http://flip.it/bkDC21
>

Re: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[John Berry]

"This is because in ZrTe5 the electrons responsible for the current have no
mass."

That itself sounds like a dramatic claim, electrons with no mass?

I am able to produce a current of something that I believe is like an
electron albeit not propperly physical, and I believe it gains something by
moving through magnetic fields.

I think I might be moving something akin to a virtual electron, albeit one
that does not have the correct quanta to manifest physically to regular
meters, but can be readily detected by a significant percentage of the
population including in conditions outside of any possible
conventional explanation like the Placebo effect.

But there is another current in the reverse direction that is denser and
appears to be more like a proton.

John

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic
> field
>
> http://flip.it/bkDC21
>

[Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[Jack Cole]

Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic
field

http://flip.it/bkDC21

Re: [Vo]:Truism regarding calorimetry

[Jed Rothwell]

I wrote:


> Measuring industrial quantities of heat is dangerous; . . .  and you
> cannot be as accurate.
>

People may not realize this. When you see a factory installation, you might
assume that the instruments measure precise performance. In some cases they
do. In something like a semiconductor plant, precise control is critical.
Or, when you work with expensive raw materials such a gold, precise
measurements of inventory are essential. But in something like a carpet
factory boiler, they do not typically measure performance with less
precision. Measurements are accurate but not precise. They often use look
up tables with only a few divisions. They estimate numbers.

Here is an example of what I mean, from the CleaverBrooks "Boiler
Efficiency Guide" p. 11:

Fuel cost comparison of boilers with different efficiencies

Procedure

1. Determine the Fuel-to-Steam efficiency of the boilers. CB efficiencies
are shown in tables 8, 9, and 10. (If you do not know the efficciency of
existing equipement or competitive equipment, it can be calculated per the
prior procedure based on stack temperature).

2. Select the fuel burning rates based on the efficiency per tables 5, 6,
and 7. [Table 5 has divisions of 2.5%: 60.0, 62.5, 65.0 . . . up to 88%
steam efficiency]

3. Determine the annual fuel usage based on the annual operating hours.

4. Determine the cost of the fuel used.

5. Calculate the annual fuel consumption and resulting annual cost for each
boiler. Compare the results to determine the savings.

6. To determine approximate payback in years, divide the equipment cost
difference by the fuel cost savings.

7. For the most accurate estimate of fuel savings and payback, evaluate
each boiler at part load performance as well. Estimate the hours per year
that the boiler is expected to operate at each firing rate (25%, 50%, 75%,
100% high fire). Using the same procedure, calculate the fuel usage at each
firing rate, using the estimated hours of operation for that firing rate
and substituting the respective boiler efficiency. Add up the results for
each boiler to determine the annual fuel usage and fuel cost.

Notice that in step 7 there are only 4 divisions: 25%, 50%, 75% and 100%. I
suppose you could use instruments to measure the firing rates to within a
few percent for the entire time the boiler is in use, but in an actual
cost/benefit evaluation a factory engineer may well use this kind of rough
estimate instead.

Factories in the future will probably have more automatic data collection,
which should allow more fine-tuned operation and cost/benefit evaluations.
Things like grocery warehousing, shipping and sales (scanners) are now
automated with intense data collection and evaluation to an extent that
would have seemed like science fiction back in the 1970s.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:History of cold fusion in Italy

[a.ashfield]

But countless times you have said Rossi is a fraud and the COP<1
Now you're saying the E-Cat maybe worked?
If the E-Cat worked earlier do you really suppose Rossi retrograded 
performance with time?

AA


On 8/29/2016 5:09 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

a.ashfield mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net>> wrote:

It seems the American Physical Society is going to publish
replication results of Rossi's Ni/H2/L reactor
How are you going to explain that Jed?


Any member can publish anything at an APS conference. (They set that 
rule many years ago, after a rather gruesome incident.)


This result, if true, might indicate Ni-H cold fusion works, but that 
has no bearing on the fact that Rossi's 1 year test could not possibly 
have produced 1 MW.


Rossi's earlier results might be real. I cannot rule that out, as I 
have said before. However, there is not the slightest chance this 
result is real because as I said the heat would kill everyone in the 
room. Also, the flow meter and pressure readings appear to be fake. 
The flow meter numbers are too regular to be true, and the pressure is 
impossible.


- Jed

Re: [Vo]:History of cold fusion in Italy

[Jed Rothwell]

a.ashfield  wrote:


> It seems the American Physical Society is going to publish replication
> results of Rossi's Ni/H2/L reactor
> How are you going to explain that Jed?
>

Any member can publish anything at an APS conference. (They set that rule
many years ago, after a rather gruesome incident.)

This result, if true, might indicate Ni-H cold fusion works, but that has
no bearing on the fact that Rossi's 1 year test could not possibly have
produced 1 MW.

Rossi's earlier results might be real. I cannot rule that out, as I have
said before. However, there is not the slightest chance this result is real
because as I said the heat would kill everyone in the room. Also, the flow
meter and pressure readings appear to be fake. The flow meter numbers are
too regular to be true, and the pressure is impossible.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:History of cold fusion in Italy

[a.ashfield]

It seems the American Physical Society is going to publish replication 
results of Rossi's Ni/H2/L reactor

How are you going to explain that Jed?
That Rossi, who has been working on it for years can't do it, but a new 
group using hints he has published can?

http://meetings.aps.org/Meeting/GEC16/Session/MW6.27

Re: [Vo]:History of cold fusion in Italy

[a.ashfield]

An interesting read, but it only goes up to 2009 which is before the 
subject gets really interesting if you are interested in CF utility as I 
am.  The English version is in too good English for it to be a translation!
The mind set was that one had to look for neutrons in the early days 
rather than heat and nothing about Ni/H2 show how much Rossi brought to 
the party.  The following extracts show the academic mind set about that 
at the time.


There  are  a  number  of  experiments  that  seem  to  show  that it  is
possible  to  have  excess  heat  production  in  a  different experimental
system: nickel and hydrogen rather than palladium and deuterium. In
this case the only reasonable explanation for nuclear fusion reactions
is  the  fusion  of  hydrogen  with  one  of  the  few  deuterons that  are
always present in hydrogen as impurities.
(page 36)

.We  are  still  far  from developing  applications.  Thus,  it was  to
  be  expected  that  enterprises  that were born with the aim of having a
 practical fall-out in short time had to give up.



On 8/29/2016 10:20 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

In Italian:

ENEA, /FUSIONE FREDDA Storia Della Ricerca in Italia/. 2009, Rome, 
Italy: ENEA.


http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ENEAfusionefre.pdf 




In English:

ENEA, /COLD FUSION The History of Research in Italy./ 2009, Rome, 
Italy: ENEA.


http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ENEAcoldfusion.pdf 

Re: [Vo]:Truism regarding calorimetry

[Jed Rothwell]

Stephen A. Lawrence  wrote:

Something we don't often consider:
>
> *From an engineering perspective, if you need careful calorimetry to
> determine whether your generator works, then it really doesn't matter
> whether it works.  Its output is so small as to be irrelevant.*
>
> A device producing a megawatt of heat energy should not require careful
> calorimetry to determine whether it works.
>

True, unless input is 990 kW. Which would be ridiculous.

It is actually harder to measure 1 MW than, say, 1 kW, or even 100 W.
Measuring industrial quantities of heat is dangerous; it requires expensive
equipment; and you cannot be as accurate. Still, despite inaccuracy, you
can be sure.



> The demo was not conclusive.  For a 1 MW heat generator, that's the same
> as saying it flat-out doesn't work.
>

I agree.



>   Producing an inconclusive demo of such a device, *if it worked*, would
> require an impossible level of incompetence.
>

Yup. Incompetence, malevolence or insanity.

- Jed

[Vo]:The root causes of the troubles of LENR?

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/08/aug-29-2016-lenr-about-root-causes.html


best wishes,
peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re[2]: [Vo]: Mats Lewan on LENR theory

[Mark Jurich]

This is certainly a wonderful [possible] explanation for Piantelli's 
observations and great piece of work, but there is this nagging question 
that Piantelli has mentioned that adding Deuterium kills/poisons the 
reaction as far as heat and particle production.  Perhaps just a slight 
increase in Deuterium Concentration is beneficial.

Unfortunately we have little more to go on from Piantelli concerning 
this point. (AFAIK)

I believe that MFMP has at least 2 experiments lined up to answer 
differences in hypothesis/theories: inclusion of LAD (Lithium Aluminum 
Deuteride) and an O-18 Tracer Experiment.  These have been the works for 
some time.

Mark Jurich

-- Original Message --
From: mix...@bigpond.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: 8/29/2016 12:32:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Mats Lewan on LENR theory

>In reply to  mix...@bigpond.com's message of Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:59:40 
>+1000:
>Hi,
>
>BTW, after distribution of reaction energy over both the new Ni59 
>nucleus and
>the proton, the proton ends up with 6.66 MeV which rounds nicely to 6.7 
>MeV.
>
>[snip]
>>If the measured energy of the proton is 6.7 MeV, then a more likely 
>>reaction is:
>>
>>D + 58Ni => 59Ni + 1H + 6.775 MeV
>>
>>with the D being a minor contaminant in ordinary Hydrogen. 58Ni makes 
>>up the
>>majority of all Ni atoms. The 59Ni is only very mildly radioactive (ec 
>>=>
>>neutrino), but produces no significant gamma rays. The proton would 
>>carry most
>>of the energy of the initial reaction, which it would lose primarily 
>>through
>>ionizing other atoms, resulting mostly in heat. However it would also 
>>produce
>>some secondary gammas during a direct hit on a nearby nucleus.
>[snip]
>Regards,
>
>Robin van Spaandonk
>
>http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>

[Vo]:Truism regarding calorimetry

[Stephen A. Lawrence]

Something we don't often consider:

*From an engineering perspective, if you need careful calorimetry to 
determine whether your generator works, then it really doesn't matter 
whether it works.  Its output is so small as to be irrelevant.*


A device producing a megawatt of heat energy should not require careful 
calorimetry to determine whether it works.

*
**The arguments over Rossi's 1 MW device center on the calorimetry.  
Therefore the device doesn't work -- if it did there would be no such 
arguments.*


I mean, seriously, how hard is it to convert 1 MW of heat output into a 
useful quantity of electricity?  Run it through a heat exchanger to boil 
freon or ammonia or alcohol, drive an engine with that (a bank of 
Stirling engines might be a good place to start). Even with 90% 
conversion loss you'd be producing 100KW which would be /really/ easy to 
measure!  (Volts times amps, you're done.)


(If it were ready for prime time, a Viking engine 
 might be a great choice, but I 
don't think they're shipping yet.)


The demo was not conclusive.  For a 1 MW heat generator, that's the same 
as saying it flat-out doesn't work.  Producing an inconclusive demo of 
such a device, /if it worked/, would require an impossible level of 
incompetence.

Re: [Vo]: Mats Lewan on LENR theory

[a.ashfield]

Bob Greenyer has a new video that proposes a method to determine which 
theory is right and then goes on the talk about muon generation.  It is 
a curiously awkward presentation and you can safely skip the first  nine 
minutes.


http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/08/29/bob-greenyer-posts-new-video-with-mfmp-news-and-ideas/

Posted on August 29, 2016 by Frank Acland 
 • 10 Comments 



/Bob Greenyer of the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project did a live 
video chat this morning on Google Hangouts in which he discussed some 
news from the MFMP and ideas about the possible source of energy in LENR/


The video can be seen below:

/Bob followed up with this summary of the content of the video:/

I just wanted to get the 3 main things out before going to Aarhus

1. That we have a shot at showing if a particular theory is correct

2. That practically all successful tech seams to have LWFM in play – and 
that it has been known to be critical for many years with Celani, Iraj 
and Iwamura being leaders. Holmlid has recently observed Muons but 
attributes the m to nuclear spallation – despite using the LWFM and 
transition metal (K and Fe in this case)


3. My speculation that Muons, Muonium, Muonium- and muonic atoms may be 
at play (in a similar way to Piantelli’s H- but more accepted as a MO to 
make fusion)


4. That the e-Cat X is a HV discharge through sapphire.

5. That HV Sapphire makes muonium and potential ly muonium- as shown by 
canadian research


6. That that is why I suggested 3 phases may play a role in Hot Cat and 
my previous informed speculation HV discharge in E-Cat X and that Rossi 
may not know how it works


7. That recent patent by Clean planet says effectively “heavy electron’ 
every few paragraphs, saying that the nano structures help it… but does 
not say muon


8. That subsequent to ALL this and with a priority date before E-CatX 
was mentioned by Rossi, the German patent is doing a Dielectric Barrier 
Discharge DBD through Al2O3 (what sapphire and hotcats are made from) 
without giving a reason and there is no indication that they know how it 
may enhance the effect.


IF the ECat-X is functioning like this, there is no indication Rossi 
knows that. It would allow for pulsed HV DBD through sapphire capillary 
– a muonic (even muonium- with the LWFM increasing production of H- and 
u-) based accelerated effect could result in light,back emf and direct 
electricity.

[Vo]:History of cold fusion in Italy

[Jed Rothwell]

In Italian:

ENEA, *FUSIONE FREDDA Storia Della Ricerca in Italia*. 2009, Rome, Italy:
ENEA.

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ENEAfusionefre.pdf


In English:

ENEA, *COLD FUSION The History of Research in Italy.* 2009, Rome, Italy:
ENEA.

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ENEAcoldfusion.pdf

Re: [Vo]: Mats Lewan on LENR theory

[mixent]

In reply to  mix...@bigpond.com's message of Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:59:40 +1000:
Hi,

BTW, after distribution of reaction energy over both the new Ni59 nucleus and
the proton, the proton ends up with 6.66 MeV which rounds nicely to 6.7 MeV.

[snip]
>If the measured energy of the proton is 6.7 MeV, then a more likely reaction 
>is:
>
>D + 58Ni => 59Ni + 1H + 6.775 MeV
>
>with the D being a minor contaminant in ordinary Hydrogen. 58Ni makes up the
>majority of all Ni atoms. The 59Ni is only very mildly radioactive (ec =>
>neutrino), but produces no significant gamma rays. The proton would carry most
>of the energy of the initial reaction, which it would lose primarily through
>ionizing other atoms, resulting mostly in heat. However it would also produce
>some secondary gammas during a direct hit on a nearby nucleus.
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html