Re: [Vo]:"Type A nickel" ?

[Alain Sepeda]

his framework to propose NiMn is absolutely not nucler, but about the phase
transition graph.
The idea behind is that if you use PdAg or NiMn you can load hydrogen (D/H)
with less damage in the crystaline lattice at lower temperature.

when Ag and Mn reduce a threshold temperature, above whiche phase
transition is smoother and there is less damage in the latice.

It may be coherent with Ed Storms theory, and his hypothesis that big
cracks are bad, and compete with smaller cracks that are however required,
and maybe produced by alpha-beta transition, but the smoother version...

all is about metallurgy.

2017-06-14 15:17 GMT+02:00 Jones Beene :

> Thanks. There is interesting information there.
>
> Armanet suggests that an equivalent of PdAg for LENR could be NiMn (as
> opposed to NiAg). Apparently this relates to a similarity in geometric
> spacing in the crystal.
>
> This equivalency may assume that the only purpose of the silver is to
> mechanically stabilize the matrix, which may not be the ultimate benefit of
> the alloy - if silver also is reactive for the nuclear tunneling of
> hydrogen.
>
> In terms of the active mechanism for gain, the emphasis on phase change by
> Armanet could open up an alternative mechanism. That would be coupling of
> nuclear spin/isospin to phase change.
>
>
>
>  Alain Sepeda wrote:
>
>> Nicolas Armanet talking of alpha-beta transition in Pd discussed Ni
>> during RNBE2016.
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

[Axil Axil]

More details...

*The* *Dzyaloshinskii–Moriya Interaction produces magnetic knots under the
influence of an unbalanced magnetic field.*

I need to read this paper to see how this all works.


*http://web.science.uu.nl/itf/Teaching/2014/2014vanDijk.pdf
*



*Skyrmions and the Dzyaloshinskii-Moriya  InteractionComputing the
Dzyaloshinskii-Moriya interaction for small and large spin-orbit couplings*
This mechanism will produce pseudo particles through spin orbit couplings.





On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> More details...
>
> The function of the electromagnetic shock is to change the state of the
> magnetic system so that the spin of that system is converted to anisotropic.
>
> The magnetism inherent to a system like the Golden balls by Cravins is
> already anisotropic. There might be other magnetic systems that are
> inherently anisotropic.
>
> Anisotropic magnetism is required to instantiate instantons inside the
> proton.
>
>
> https://www.nature.com/articles/srep16184
>
>
> *Topological, non-topological and instanton droplets driven by
> spin-transfer torque in materials with perpendicular magnetic anisotropy
> and Dzyaloshinskii–Moriya Interaction*
>
>
> This article explains how a unbalanced magnetic field can produce an
> instanton.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:50 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> I would value an example or two that will support this assertion.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Jed Rothwell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Axil Axil  wrote:
>>>
>>>
 To the best of my understanding, the LENR reaction is a two step
 process. First, the heat of the system must be turned into an amplified
 spin system. Then this spin system us TRIGGED by the application of a
 strong EMP pulse that could be either light as in a laser pulse or an
 electrostatic pulse as in a spark, This trigger uses the KERR effect to
 change the state of the system.

>>>
>>> There is a problem with this theory. Cold fusion often starts without
>>> the triggers you describe.
>>>
>>> - Jed
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

[Axil Axil]

More details...

The function of the electromagnetic shock is to change the state of the
magnetic system so that the spin of that system is converted to anisotropic.

The magnetism inherent to a system like the Golden balls by Cravins is
already anisotropic. There might be other magnetic systems that are
inherently anisotropic.

Anisotropic magnetism is required to instantiate instantons inside the
proton.


https://www.nature.com/articles/srep16184


*Topological, non-topological and instanton droplets driven by
spin-transfer torque in materials with perpendicular magnetic anisotropy
and Dzyaloshinskii–Moriya Interaction*


This article explains how a unbalanced magnetic field can produce an
instanton.



On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:50 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> I would value an example or two that will support this assertion.
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>
>> Axil Axil  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> To the best of my understanding, the LENR reaction is a two step
>>> process. First, the heat of the system must be turned into an amplified
>>> spin system. Then this spin system us TRIGGED by the application of a
>>> strong EMP pulse that could be either light as in a laser pulse or an
>>> electrostatic pulse as in a spark, This trigger uses the KERR effect to
>>> change the state of the system.
>>>
>>
>> There is a problem with this theory. Cold fusion often starts without the
>> triggers you describe.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

[Axil Axil]

I would value an example or two that will support this assertion.

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>
>> To the best of my understanding, the LENR reaction is a two step process.
>> First, the heat of the system must be turned into an amplified spin system.
>> Then this spin system us TRIGGED by the application of a strong EMP pulse
>> that could be either light as in a laser pulse or an electrostatic pulse as
>> in a spark, This trigger uses the KERR effect to change the state of the
>> system.
>>
>
> There is a problem with this theory. Cold fusion often starts without the
> triggers you describe.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

[Jed Rothwell]

Axil Axil  wrote:


> To the best of my understanding, the LENR reaction is a two step process.
> First, the heat of the system must be turned into an amplified spin system.
> Then this spin system us TRIGGED by the application of a strong EMP pulse
> that could be either light as in a laser pulse or an electrostatic pulse as
> in a spark, This trigger uses the KERR effect to change the state of the
> system.
>

There is a problem with this theory. Cold fusion often starts without the
triggers you describe.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

[Axil Axil]

To the best of my understanding, the LENR reaction is a two step process.
First, the heat of the system must be turned into an amplified spin system.
Then this spin system us TRIGGED by the application of a strong EMP pulse
that could be either light as in a laser pulse or an electrostatic pulse as
in a spark, This trigger uses the KERR effect to change the state of the
system.

For more detail as follows:

Magnetism usually produces photons that travel from one pole to another
symmetrically.

http://www.ece.neu.edu/fac-ece/nian/mom/img/How%20Magnets%20Work/magneticFieldLines1.gif

Magnetism becomes special when those photons don’t make it back from the
pole that it came from to the other pole. This type of magnetic field is
called anisotropic or unbalanced. This type of magnetism produces particles
inside the proton that messes up the inner working of the proton that keep
it together.

I cover this process of how the magnetic fields produced by heat become
anisotropic in this post

http://www.e-catworld.com/2017/04/14/symmetry-breaking-is-the-trigger-in-lenr-axil-axil/#comment-3256673715

and also

http://www.e-catworld.com/2017/04/14/the-process-by-which-the-proton-decays-in-lenr-axil-axil/#comment-3276572289

When symmetries are broken, this process disrupts the physical laws that
keep things working.

But there are many other ways in which this special magnetic field can form
including the formation of rare earth magnets.

See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_anisotropy

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

> Where?  Does the superconductivity increase even if there is no excess
> heat?
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> There is research that shows superconductivity that increases in
>> proportion to hydrogen loading in LENR systems.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 6:05 PM, CB Sites  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bob,  you got me to thinking how to measure any changes in spin
>>> coupling or the how to detect a BEC in solid and so I began to wonder if
>>> measuring magnetic susceptibility in PdH and PdD would show anything.  I
>>> found an interesting old paper by H C Jamieson and F D Manchester "The
>>> magnetic susceptibility of Pd, PdH and PdD between 4 and 300 K" 1972 J.
>>> Phys. F: Met. Phys. 2 323 http://iopscience.iop.org/0305-4608/2/2/023.
>>>
>>> This was from back in the 70s so take it as you may.   What I found
>>> interesting is in the beta phase of Pd (H) was tending to be diamagnetic
>>> (repels) and nearly independent of temperature.  That would seem to
>>> indicate that the H are becoming spin aligned and could hint at the
>>> formation of a BEC system.  I also see a trend that D is also heading
>>> towards diamagenetic (negative susceptibility) with increasing  D loading.
>>>
>>> So does someone have a newer paper on the subject?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 1:37 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
>>> bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 CD Sites—



 I have for some time been of the mind that nuclear potential energy
 tied up in a lattice of coherent (entangled) particles is transfered to the
 lattice electrons in the form of spin orbital momentum—phonic energy during
 LENR.



 In the Pd system with D at high loading a small BEC of D nuclei  could
 form and then fuse to He g iven the correct  conditions involving EM
 coupling to link neutron and proton magnetic moments with magnetic moments
 of the Pd lattice electrons.  In this regard I consider it takes a
 relatively strong local B field to accomplish the necessary coupling with
 the neutron and proton making up a D nucleus.



 The BEC status of D’s within the lattice would allow their close
 approach during a reaction forming a He nucleus.  The potential energy
 released would not result in energetic particles or EM radiation, but only
 phonic (spin) energy spread across the entire lattice.



 With proper resonant coupling and many BEC within a single lattice a
 larger, more energetic, reaction occurs releasing enough phonic energy to
 destroy the lattice or to create a bosenova.



 The reactions suggested above seem to fit observations from Pd system
 LENR testing IMHO.



 Bob Cook.





 *From: *CB Sites 
 *Sent: *Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:49 PM
 *To: *vortex-l 
 *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature



 I'm kind of late on this, but would spin conservation do what Ed Storm
 asked?



 "However, why would only a few hydrons fuse leaving just enough
 unreacted hydrons available to carry all the energy without it producing

 energetic radiation? I would expect occasionally,many hydrons would
 fuse leaving too few unreacted hydrons so that the dissipated energy

 would have to be very energetic 

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

[Kevin O'Malley]

SUPERNOVA CONDITIONS READILY CREATED IN A TEST TUBE

admin  / January 6, 2015

/ Comments
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, Get Your Geek
On 

http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2015/01/06/supernova-conditions-readily-created/
Hidetsuga Ikegami, one of Japan’s great physicists describes cold fusion as
being pycnonuclear (star-like) in nature
[image: Hidetsugu Ikegami is a Japanese physicist. He is professor emeritus
of Nuclear Physics at Osaka University, where he has been director of the
Research Center for Nuclear Physics]


Hidetsugu Ikegami is a Japanese physicist. He is professor emeritus of
Nuclear Physics at Osaka University, where he has been director of the
Research Center for Nuclear Physics. He’s also a professor at Uppsala
University in Sweden.

Ikegami’s paper (October 2012)  on what he
calls chemonuclear and pycnonuclear fusion is jam-packed with pertinent
insight and mathematics. He describes how his lifetime of nuclear science
and more than ten years of recent research within the conventional high
energy physics world studies of chemo-pycno-fusion have defined and
demonstrated the bridge between the two camps of Hot and Cold Fusion. His
work has languished unknown but to a few.

Ikegami points out through both experimental and mathematical rigorous
proofs that conditions inside the metal(s) and methods common to cold
fusion conditions are produced equivalent states of matter to those found
inside stars including the most exotic white dwarfs and supernova. Here on
Earth though that supernova matter is more like supernova ice – almost as
exotic as Vonnegut’s ice nine [image: 🙂]
Condensed Cold Micro Supernova Matter

These micro supernova conditions yield energy at a density that Ikegami’s
math shows is a million times more than that found inside of typical stars
and physical evidence in experiments in the form of alpha particles and
helium.
[image: Lithium + hydrogen fusion producing 2 helium nuclei sans neutrons.]


Lithium + hydrogen fusion producing 2 helium nuclei sans neutrons.

He chronicles conditions that exist when hydrogen enters into metals where
it changes from its molecular (H2) to atomic (H) form and beyond. Inside
the realm of the metal  and its powerful influence hydrogen atoms and their
lone electrons can condense and that condensed matter is super dense.

Pools of this dense condensed hydrogen achieve conditions of density like
those in super dense stars like white dwarfs, even supernova, and in that
condition fusion is virtually certain to take place. Very conventional
stellar mathematics show that density supplants temperature as the defining
requirement for fusion – cold fusion.

In the condensed matter, electrons act to screen the Coulomb repulsion
between the atomic nuclei and this screening effect becomes so remarkable
that rates of reactions at low temperatures are almost independent of the
temperature and mostly depend on the density of the matter.

While spill over condensing hydrogen
 is the key,
atoms of other elements can and do become part of, spill over into, the
puddle of super dense hydrogen. The lower mass small atoms like lithium and
beryllium are highly favoured to participate in the fusions but other
heavier atoms like nickel and palladium can and do participate as well.
[image: Red Hot E-CAT 2]


Red Hot E-CAT of Rossi

Ikegami’s work describes the exotic plasma conditions for fusion includes
dense plasmas that are in the form of Bose Einstein Condensates. While in
free space such condensed matter requires very challenging efforts to
create as hydrogen seeps into the cracks and crevices inside metals and
between larger atoms such condensed matter forms in very simple
environments. Examples of this are seen in the electrochemical loading of
hydrogen into metal as reported by Fleischmann and Pons in 1989. Or more
recently by those pursuing Nickel Hydrogen energy where the application of
high temperatures (~800-1000°C) helps the hydrogen to dissolve into the
metal. The HOT CATS of Rossi, Piantelli, Parkhomov… and more.

Lithium Experiment
[image: Ion_implanter2]


Typical ion implantatio

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

[Kevin O'Malley]

Where?  Does the superconductivity increase even if there is no excess heat?

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> There is research that shows superconductivity that increases in
> proportion to hydrogen loading in LENR systems.
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 6:05 PM, CB Sites  wrote:
>
>> Hi Bob,  you got me to thinking how to measure any changes in spin
>> coupling or the how to detect a BEC in solid and so I began to wonder if
>> measuring magnetic susceptibility in PdH and PdD would show anything.  I
>> found an interesting old paper by H C Jamieson and F D Manchester "The
>> magnetic susceptibility of Pd, PdH and PdD between 4 and 300 K" 1972 J.
>> Phys. F: Met. Phys. 2 323 http://iopscience.iop.org/0305-4608/2/2/023.
>>
>> This was from back in the 70s so take it as you may.   What I found
>> interesting is in the beta phase of Pd (H) was tending to be diamagnetic
>> (repels) and nearly independent of temperature.  That would seem to
>> indicate that the H are becoming spin aligned and could hint at the
>> formation of a BEC system.  I also see a trend that D is also heading
>> towards diamagenetic (negative susceptibility) with increasing  D loading.
>>
>> So does someone have a newer paper on the subject?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 1:37 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
>> bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> CD Sites—
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have for some time been of the mind that nuclear potential energy tied
>>> up in a lattice of coherent (entangled) particles is transfered to the
>>> lattice electrons in the form of spin orbital momentum—phonic energy during
>>> LENR.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the Pd system with D at high loading a small BEC of D nuclei  could
>>> form and then fuse to He g iven the correct  conditions involving EM
>>> coupling to link neutron and proton magnetic moments with magnetic moments
>>> of the Pd lattice electrons.  In this regard I consider it takes a
>>> relatively strong local B field to accomplish the necessary coupling with
>>> the neutron and proton making up a D nucleus.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The BEC status of D’s within the lattice would allow their close
>>> approach during a reaction forming a He nucleus.  The potential energy
>>> released would not result in energetic particles or EM radiation, but only
>>> phonic (spin) energy spread across the entire lattice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With proper resonant coupling and many BEC within a single lattice a
>>> larger, more energetic, reaction occurs releasing enough phonic energy to
>>> destroy the lattice or to create a bosenova.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The reactions suggested above seem to fit observations from Pd system
>>> LENR testing IMHO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Cook.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *CB Sites 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:49 PM
>>> *To: *vortex-l 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm kind of late on this, but would spin conservation do what Ed Storm
>>> asked?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "However, why would only a few hydrons fuse leaving just enough
>>> unreacted hydrons available to carry all the energy without it producing
>>>
>>> energetic radiation? I would expect occasionally,many hydrons would fuse
>>> leaving too few unreacted hydrons so that the dissipated energy
>>>
>>> would have to be very energetic and easily detected."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   If I remember, Steve and Talbot Chubbs had proposed that bose band
>>> states could distribute the energy over many nucleons
>>>
>>> in the band state.  In a 1D kronig-penny model of a periodic potential,
>>> H and D form bands and their band energy levels are separated by a
>>>
>>> 0.2eV, which means when 20MeV is spread across the band, the spectrum
>>> would be 20MeV / (n * 0.2eV) where n are the number of hyrons
>>>
>>> making up the band.  That's just back of the envelope using a 2D
>>> kronig-penny period potential.  And all of that photon energy spread over
>>>
>>> n-hydrons gets dumped right back into the lattice.  Similar in a sense
>>> to the Mossbauer effect.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>>
>>> http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2017/jun/12/superfl
>>> uid-polaritons-seen-at-room-temperature
>>>
>>>
>>> Superfluid polaritons seen at room temperature
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> the polaritons behave like a fluid that can flow without friction around
>>> obstacles, which were formed by using a laser to burn small holes in the
>>> organic material. This is interpreted by the researchers as being a
>>> signature of the superfluid behaviour.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> there might be some sort of link between a superfluid and a
>>> Bose–Einstein condensate (BEC) – the latter being a state of matter in
>>> which all constituent particles have condensed into a single quantum state.
>>> He was proved right in 1995 when superfluidity was observed in BECs made
>>> from ultracold atoms
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 1:5

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

[Kevin O'Malley]

Measuring magnetic susceptibility is what led to bosenovas.

>From upthread:

  It is hard to form a stable BEC of more than 100 atoms, and seeing what's
going on in condensates so small is very difficult. The recent discovery of
a particular mode in rubidium-85 called a 'Feshbach resonance' increased
the maximum condensate size to several tens of thousands of atoms -- but
only at just two billionths of a degree above absolute zero. "Damn cold by
anyone's standards," as Wieman says.

Nonetheless, the new technique gave researchers a tool rather like a pair
of *magnetic pliers* to manipulate the condensates. Their results have them
scratching their heads.

When compressed quickly enough, a condensate explodes, blasting off the
outer atoms and leaving a cold, collapsed remnant. The effect has been
dubbed a 'bosenova' because of its similarity to a supernova (an exploding
star).


On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 3:05 PM, CB Sites  wrote:

> Hi Bob,  you got me to thinking how to measure any changes in spin
> coupling or the how to detect a BEC in solid and so I began to wonder if
> measuring magnetic susceptibility in PdH and PdD would show anything.  I
> found an interesting old paper by H C Jamieson and F D Manchester "The
> magnetic susceptibility of Pd, PdH and PdD between 4 and 300 K" 1972 J.
> Phys. F: Met. Phys. 2 323 http://iopscience.iop.org/0305-4608/2/2/023.
>
> This was from back in the 70s so take it as you may.   What I found
> interesting is in the beta phase of Pd (H) was tending to be diamagnetic
> (repels) and nearly independent of temperature.  That would seem to
> indicate that the H are becoming spin aligned and could hint at the
> formation of a BEC system.  I also see a trend that D is also heading
> towards diamagenetic (negative susceptibility) with increasing  D loading.
>
> So does someone have a newer paper on the subject?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 1:37 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
> bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> CD Sites—
>>
>>
>>
>> I have for some time been of the mind that nuclear potential energy tied
>> up in a lattice of coherent (entangled) particles is transfered to the
>> lattice electrons in the form of spin orbital momentum—phonic energy during
>> LENR.
>>
>>
>>
>> In the Pd system with D at high loading a small BEC of D nuclei  could
>> form and then fuse to He g iven the correct  conditions involving EM
>> coupling to link neutron and proton magnetic moments with magnetic moments
>> of the Pd lattice electrons.  In this regard I consider it takes a
>> relatively strong local B field to accomplish the necessary coupling with
>> the neutron and proton making up a D nucleus.
>>
>>
>>
>> The BEC status of D’s within the lattice would allow their close approach
>> during a reaction forming a He nucleus.  The potential energy released
>> would not result in energetic particles or EM radiation, but only phonic
>> (spin) energy spread across the entire lattice.
>>
>>
>>
>> With proper resonant coupling and many BEC within a single lattice a
>> larger, more energetic, reaction occurs releasing enough phonic energy to
>> destroy the lattice or to create a bosenova.
>>
>>
>>
>> The reactions suggested above seem to fit observations from Pd system
>> LENR testing IMHO.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Cook.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *CB Sites 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:49 PM
>> *To: *vortex-l 
>> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm kind of late on this, but would spin conservation do what Ed Storm
>> asked?
>>
>>
>>
>> "However, why would only a few hydrons fuse leaving just enough unreacted
>> hydrons available to carry all the energy without it producing
>>
>> energetic radiation? I would expect occasionally,many hydrons would fuse
>> leaving too few unreacted hydrons so that the dissipated energy
>>
>> would have to be very energetic and easily detected."
>>
>>
>>
>>   If I remember, Steve and Talbot Chubbs had proposed that bose band
>> states could distribute the energy over many nucleons
>>
>> in the band state.  In a 1D kronig-penny model of a periodic potential, H
>> and D form bands and their band energy levels are separated by a
>>
>> 0.2eV, which means when 20MeV is spread across the band, the spectrum
>> would be 20MeV / (n * 0.2eV) where n are the number of hyrons
>>
>> making up the band.  That's just back of the envelope using a 2D
>> kronig-penny period potential.  And all of that photon energy spread over
>>
>> n-hydrons gets dumped right back into the lattice.  Similar in a sense to
>> the Mossbauer effect.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>
>> http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2017/jun/12/superfl
>> uid-polaritons-seen-at-room-temperature
>>
>>
>> Superfluid polaritons seen at room temperature
>>
>>
>>
>> the polaritons behave like a fluid that can flow without friction around
>> obstacles, which were formed by using a laser to burn small holes 

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

[Axil Axil]

There is research that shows superconductivity that increases in proportion
to hydrogen loading in LENR systems.

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 6:05 PM, CB Sites  wrote:

> Hi Bob,  you got me to thinking how to measure any changes in spin
> coupling or the how to detect a BEC in solid and so I began to wonder if
> measuring magnetic susceptibility in PdH and PdD would show anything.  I
> found an interesting old paper by H C Jamieson and F D Manchester "The
> magnetic susceptibility of Pd, PdH and PdD between 4 and 300 K" 1972 J.
> Phys. F: Met. Phys. 2 323 http://iopscience.iop.org/0305-4608/2/2/023.
>
> This was from back in the 70s so take it as you may.   What I found
> interesting is in the beta phase of Pd (H) was tending to be diamagnetic
> (repels) and nearly independent of temperature.  That would seem to
> indicate that the H are becoming spin aligned and could hint at the
> formation of a BEC system.  I also see a trend that D is also heading
> towards diamagenetic (negative susceptibility) with increasing  D loading.
>
> So does someone have a newer paper on the subject?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 1:37 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
> bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> CD Sites—
>>
>>
>>
>> I have for some time been of the mind that nuclear potential energy tied
>> up in a lattice of coherent (entangled) particles is transfered to the
>> lattice electrons in the form of spin orbital momentum—phonic energy during
>> LENR.
>>
>>
>>
>> In the Pd system with D at high loading a small BEC of D nuclei  could
>> form and then fuse to He g iven the correct  conditions involving EM
>> coupling to link neutron and proton magnetic moments with magnetic moments
>> of the Pd lattice electrons.  In this regard I consider it takes a
>> relatively strong local B field to accomplish the necessary coupling with
>> the neutron and proton making up a D nucleus.
>>
>>
>>
>> The BEC status of D’s within the lattice would allow their close approach
>> during a reaction forming a He nucleus.  The potential energy released
>> would not result in energetic particles or EM radiation, but only phonic
>> (spin) energy spread across the entire lattice.
>>
>>
>>
>> With proper resonant coupling and many BEC within a single lattice a
>> larger, more energetic, reaction occurs releasing enough phonic energy to
>> destroy the lattice or to create a bosenova.
>>
>>
>>
>> The reactions suggested above seem to fit observations from Pd system
>> LENR testing IMHO.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Cook.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *CB Sites 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:49 PM
>> *To: *vortex-l 
>> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm kind of late on this, but would spin conservation do what Ed Storm
>> asked?
>>
>>
>>
>> "However, why would only a few hydrons fuse leaving just enough unreacted
>> hydrons available to carry all the energy without it producing
>>
>> energetic radiation? I would expect occasionally,many hydrons would fuse
>> leaving too few unreacted hydrons so that the dissipated energy
>>
>> would have to be very energetic and easily detected."
>>
>>
>>
>>   If I remember, Steve and Talbot Chubbs had proposed that bose band
>> states could distribute the energy over many nucleons
>>
>> in the band state.  In a 1D kronig-penny model of a periodic potential, H
>> and D form bands and their band energy levels are separated by a
>>
>> 0.2eV, which means when 20MeV is spread across the band, the spectrum
>> would be 20MeV / (n * 0.2eV) where n are the number of hyrons
>>
>> making up the band.  That's just back of the envelope using a 2D
>> kronig-penny period potential.  And all of that photon energy spread over
>>
>> n-hydrons gets dumped right back into the lattice.  Similar in a sense to
>> the Mossbauer effect.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>
>> http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2017/jun/12/superfl
>> uid-polaritons-seen-at-room-temperature
>>
>>
>> Superfluid polaritons seen at room temperature
>>
>>
>>
>> the polaritons behave like a fluid that can flow without friction around
>> obstacles, which were formed by using a laser to burn small holes in the
>> organic material. This is interpreted by the researchers as being a
>> signature of the superfluid behaviour.
>>
>>
>>
>> there might be some sort of link between a superfluid and a Bose–Einstein
>> condensate (BEC) – the latter being a state of matter in which all
>> constituent particles have condensed into a single quantum state. He was
>> proved right in 1995 when superfluidity was observed in BECs made from
>> ultracold atoms
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>
>> A Bose condinsate brings super radiance and super absorption into play.
>> These mechanisms produce concentration, storage,  and amplification of low
>> level energy and goes as "N", the number of items in the condinsate.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 8, 201

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

[CB Sites]

Hi Bob,  you got me to thinking how to measure any changes in spin coupling
or the how to detect a BEC in solid and so I began to wonder if measuring
magnetic susceptibility in PdH and PdD would show anything.  I found an
interesting old paper by H C Jamieson and F D Manchester "The magnetic
susceptibility of Pd, PdH and PdD between 4 and 300 K" 1972 J. Phys. F:
Met. Phys. 2 323 http://iopscience.iop.org/0305-4608/2/2/023.

This was from back in the 70s so take it as you may.   What I found
interesting is in the beta phase of Pd (H) was tending to be diamagnetic
(repels) and nearly independent of temperature.  That would seem to
indicate that the H are becoming spin aligned and could hint at the
formation of a BEC system.  I also see a trend that D is also heading
towards diamagenetic (negative susceptibility) with increasing  D loading.

So does someone have a newer paper on the subject?





On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 1:37 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> CD Sites—
>
>
>
> I have for some time been of the mind that nuclear potential energy tied
> up in a lattice of coherent (entangled) particles is transfered to the
> lattice electrons in the form of spin orbital momentum—phonic energy during
> LENR.
>
>
>
> In the Pd system with D at high loading a small BEC of D nuclei  could
> form and then fuse to He g iven the correct  conditions involving EM
> coupling to link neutron and proton magnetic moments with magnetic moments
> of the Pd lattice electrons.  In this regard I consider it takes a
> relatively strong local B field to accomplish the necessary coupling with
> the neutron and proton making up a D nucleus.
>
>
>
> The BEC status of D’s within the lattice would allow their close approach
> during a reaction forming a He nucleus.  The potential energy released
> would not result in energetic particles or EM radiation, but only phonic
> (spin) energy spread across the entire lattice.
>
>
>
> With proper resonant coupling and many BEC within a single lattice a
> larger, more energetic, reaction occurs releasing enough phonic energy to
> destroy the lattice or to create a bosenova.
>
>
>
> The reactions suggested above seem to fit observations from Pd system LENR
> testing IMHO.
>
>
>
> Bob Cook.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *CB Sites 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:49 PM
> *To: *vortex-l 
> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature
>
>
>
> I'm kind of late on this, but would spin conservation do what Ed Storm
> asked?
>
>
>
> "However, why would only a few hydrons fuse leaving just enough unreacted
> hydrons available to carry all the energy without it producing
>
> energetic radiation? I would expect occasionally,many hydrons would fuse
> leaving too few unreacted hydrons so that the dissipated energy
>
> would have to be very energetic and easily detected."
>
>
>
>   If I remember, Steve and Talbot Chubbs had proposed that bose band
> states could distribute the energy over many nucleons
>
> in the band state.  In a 1D kronig-penny model of a periodic potential, H
> and D form bands and their band energy levels are separated by a
>
> 0.2eV, which means when 20MeV is spread across the band, the spectrum
> would be 20MeV / (n * 0.2eV) where n are the number of hyrons
>
> making up the band.  That's just back of the envelope using a 2D
> kronig-penny period potential.  And all of that photon energy spread over
>
> n-hydrons gets dumped right back into the lattice.  Similar in a sense to
> the Mossbauer effect.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
> http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2017/jun/12/
> superfluid-polaritons-seen-at-room-temperature
>
>
> Superfluid polaritons seen at room temperature
>
>
>
> the polaritons behave like a fluid that can flow without friction around
> obstacles, which were formed by using a laser to burn small holes in the
> organic material. This is interpreted by the researchers as being a
> signature of the superfluid behaviour.
>
>
>
> there might be some sort of link between a superfluid and a Bose–Einstein
> condensate (BEC) – the latter being a state of matter in which all
> constituent particles have condensed into a single quantum state. He was
> proved right in 1995 when superfluidity was observed in BECs made from
> ultracold atoms
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
> A Bose condinsate brings super radiance and super absorption into play.
> These mechanisms produce concentration, storage,  and amplification of low
> level energy and goes as "N", the number of items in the condinsate.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Frank Znidarsic 
> wrote:
>
> Why is a Bose Condensate needed?  Its a matter of size and energy.  The
> smaller the size of something we want to see the more energy it takes.
> Using low energy radar you will never be able to read something as small as
> this text.  You need to go to UV energies to study atoms.  High

Re: [Vo]:Income inequlity

[Axil Axil]

History teachers and the wise learn the French, Communist and American
revolutions, the rise of Nazisim, and Trumism all show what happens when
the tensions between the haves and the have-nots reaches a breaking point.

Jobs, jobs, jobs...

"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"...If the haves want to keep their heads,
they should be more sensitive to the feeling and needs of the have-nots.

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Adrian Ashfield 
wrote:

> Frank,
> I have been writing about this for several years.  Read this, starting
> about a third way down.
> https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/06/paul-craig-roberts/powerful-man-earth/
>
> I think it was inevitable anyway as a result of AI and robotics, but
> offshoring made it happen earlier.
> I hope the LENR, if it works out, will cushion the blow, but sooner or
> later we will need something like UBI  (Universal Basic Income.)  I don't
> see that happening with our present government until after there is blood
> on the streets.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Frank Znidarsic 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Wed, Jun 14, 2017 2:19 pm
> Subject: [Vo]:Income inequlity
>
> i have been watching the stock market.  It's on a tear on the way up.
> 28% returns for the first half of this year.  Wealthy investor are even
> doing been with private equity.
>
> In the mean time all social programs are under the ax.
>
> We are in the mist of one of the largest transfers of wealth from the poor
> to the rich in history.  How will this end?
>
> Frank Z
>

Re: [Vo]:Income inequlity

[Adrian Ashfield]

Frank,
I have been writing about this for several years.  Read this, starting about a 
third way down.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/06/paul-craig-roberts/powerful-man-earth/

I think it was inevitable anyway as a result of AI and robotics, but offshoring 
made it happen earlier.
I hope the LENR, if it works out, will cushion the blow, but sooner or later we 
will need something like UBI  (Universal Basic Income.)  I don't see that 
happening with our present government until after there is blood on the streets.




 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Frank Znidarsic 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Wed, Jun 14, 2017 2:19 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Income inequlity


i have been watching the stock market.  It's on a tear on the way up.
28% returns for the first half of this year.  Wealthy investor are even doing 
been with private equity.


In the mean time all social programs are under the ax.


We are in the mist of one of the largest transfers of wealth from the poor to 
the rich in history.  How will this end?


Frank Z

[Vo]:Income inequlity

[Frank Znidarsic]

i have been watching the stock market.  It's on a tear on the way up.
28% returns for the first half of this year.  Wealthy investor are even doing 
been with private equity.


In the mean time all social programs are under the ax.


We are in the mist of one of the largest transfers of wealth from the poor to 
the rich in history.  How will this end?


Frank Z

[Vo]:Re: Got my 90 year old Tapestry Speaker.

[Frank Znidarsic]

If you like the tapistry speaker this is a deal.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1928-RADIOLA-Model-60-Tube-Radio-w-External-RCA-Tapestry-Speaker/201947553482?_trksid=p2047675.c100013.m1986&_trkparms=aid%3D777003%26algo%3DDISCL.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3Dc06a828dd15b4fcb92b6abe29bc0e2a6%26pid%3D100013%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D7%26sd%3D172709524871



-Original Message-
From: Frank Znidarsic 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Wed, Jun 14, 2017 12:53 pm
Subject: Got my 90 year old Tapestry Speaker.


Subject: Got my 90 year old Tapestry Speaker.


http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/Tapistry







That was the best $50 that I ever spent.  Its beautiful.




Books are selling again.  There must be some interest in the UK.





Frank Znidarsic

RE: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

CD Sites—

I have for some time been of the mind that nuclear potential energy tied up in 
a lattice of coherent (entangled) particles is transfered to the lattice 
electrons in the form of spin orbital momentum—phonic energy during LENR.

In the Pd system with D at high loading a small BEC of D nuclei  could form and 
then fuse to He g iven the correct  conditions involving EM coupling to link 
neutron and proton magnetic moments with magnetic moments of the Pd lattice 
electrons.  In this regard I consider it takes a relatively strong local B 
field to accomplish the necessary coupling with the neutron and proton making 
up a D nucleus.

The BEC status of D’s within the lattice would allow their close approach 
during a reaction forming a He nucleus.  The potential energy released would 
not result in energetic particles or EM radiation, but only phonic (spin) 
energy spread across the entire lattice.

With proper resonant coupling and many BEC within a single lattice a larger, 
more energetic, reaction occurs releasing enough phonic energy to destroy the 
lattice or to create a bosenova.

The reactions suggested above seem to fit observations from Pd system LENR 
testing IMHO.

Bob Cook.


From: CB Sites
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:49 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

I'm kind of late on this, but would spin conservation do what Ed Storm asked?

"However, why would only a few hydrons fuse leaving just enough unreacted 
hydrons available to carry all the energy without it producing
energetic radiation? I would expect occasionally,many hydrons would fuse 
leaving too few unreacted hydrons so that the dissipated energy
would have to be very energetic and easily detected."

  If I remember, Steve and Talbot Chubbs had proposed that bose band states 
could distribute the energy over many nucleons
in the band state.  In a 1D kronig-penny model of a periodic potential, H and D 
form bands and their band energy levels are separated by a
0.2eV, which means when 20MeV is spread across the band, the spectrum would be 
20MeV / (n * 0.2eV) where n are the number of hyrons
making up the band.  That's just back of the envelope using a 2D kronig-penny 
period potential.  And all of that photon energy spread over
n-hydrons gets dumped right back into the lattice.  Similar in a sense to the 
Mossbauer effect.





On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Axil Axil 
mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2017/jun/12/superfluid-polaritons-seen-at-room-temperature

Superfluid polaritons seen at room temperature

the polaritons behave like a fluid that can flow without friction around 
obstacles, which were formed by using a laser to burn small holes in the 
organic material. This is interpreted by the researchers as being a signature 
of the superfluid behaviour.

there might be some sort of link between a superfluid and a Bose–Einstein 
condensate (BEC) – the latter being a state of matter in which all constituent 
particles have condensed into a single quantum state. He was proved right in 
1995 when superfluidity was observed in BECs made from ultracold atoms



On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Axil Axil 
mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
A Bose condinsate brings super radiance and super absorption into play. These 
mechanisms produce concentration, storage,  and amplification of low level 
energy and goes as "N", the number of items in the condinsate.

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Frank Znidarsic 
mailto:fznidar...@aol.com>> wrote:
Why is a Bose Condensate needed?  Its a matter of size and energy.  The smaller 
the size of something we want to see the more energy it takes.  Using low 
energy radar you will never be able to read something as small as this text.  
You need to go to UV energies to study atoms.  Higher ionizing energies are 
needed to study the nuclear forces.  Really high energy accelerator energies 
are required to look at subatomic particles.

The common complaint physicists have with cold fusion is that the energy levels 
are to low to induce any type of nuclear reaction.  They never, however, 
considered the energy levels of a large hundreds of atoms wide condensed 
nano-particle.  Its energy levels are quite low.  Warm thermal vibrations 
appear to the nano particle as a high energy excitation.  This again is a 
matter of its size.  It's not cracks, or shrunken atoms at work.  It is the 
thermal excitation of a nano particle that yields the required energy.

Again the simulation induces a velocity of one million meters per second.

Frank Z

[Vo]:Got my 90 year old Tapestry Speaker.

[Frank Znidarsic]

Subject: Got my 90 year old Tapestry Speaker.


http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/Tapistry







That was the best $50 that I ever spent.  Its beautiful.




Books are selling again.  There must be some interest in the UK.





Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:"Type A nickel" ?

[Jones Beene]

Thanks. There is interesting information there.

Armanet suggests that an equivalent of PdAg for LENR could be NiMn (as 
opposed to NiAg). Apparently this relates to a similarity in geometric 
spacing in the crystal.


This equivalency may assume that the only purpose of the silver is to 
mechanically stabilize the matrix, which may not be the ultimate benefit 
of the alloy - if silver also is reactive for the nuclear tunneling of 
hydrogen.


In terms of the active mechanism for gain, the emphasis on phase change 
by Armanet could open up an alternative mechanism. That would be 
coupling of nuclear spin/isospin to phase change.



 Alain Sepeda wrote:
Nicolas Armanet talking of alpha-beta transition in Pd discussed Ni 
during RNBE2016.

Re: [Vo]:"Type A nickel" ?

[Alain Sepeda]

Nicolas Armanet talking of alpha-beta transition in Pd discussed Ni during
RNBE2016.
Ag in Pd alloy reduce one transition temperature in the alpha-beta phase
curve.
Ther is an equivalent for Ni, but I don't remember if it is Mn or Mg...

I noticed also that constantan contain Ni, Cu, but also one of Mn or Mg
(forgot which again)...
I've discussed on LENR forum when talking of RNBE2016...

2017-06-14 0:34 GMT+02:00 Jones Beene :

> Much has been said about Type A palladium and its special reactivity with
> hydrogen, some of which is due to the alloy being one fourth silver. Since
> pure palladium doesn't work as well, it might be said that most of the
> reactivity seen in cold fusion has been due to the special properties of
> the alloy, which is a 3:1 ratio (75% Pd 25% Ag).
>
> In many ways, nickel can be considered to be a surrogate of palladium.
> Nickel resides directly under Pd in the Periodic table, and has an
> identical valence electron structure. This leads one to wonder about an
> alloy of nickel and silver, based on transposing the results of cold fusion
> to protium, instead of deuterium.
>
...