Re: [Vo]:ThomasGas - is it just another alternative energy scam ?
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 22 Jul 2020 21:39:22 + (UTC): Hi, [snip] If you mix hydronium cations with hydrino hydride, the excess proton from the hydronium will combine with the hydrino-hydride to create a hydrino molecule, releasing a lot of energy in the process. It won't be a stable mixture. >Well, we could cut them some slack by assuming that the density is one kg/L. A >most interestingpossibility, for those who believe in Randell Mills concept of >hydrino hydride would be this: >Given that hydrino hydride is an anion, according to Mills, then that species >could balance the >charge of the hydronium cation. That way, a 1/1 mix should be neutral in >charge. > >There would still be a problem of phase separation - gas phase and liquid >phase but perhapsthis mix could be frozen or otherwise absorbed. >Ice-nine comes to mind >Signed >Felix Hoenikker > >
Re: [Vo]:ThomasGas - is it just another alternative energy scam ?
Robin wrote: One typical sign of BS is that they can't distinguish between L & kg. Quote:- "Seconds or 400 liters per hour ( 9,600 kgs in 24 hours) at 20 psi." also, good luck trying to compress positively charged ions. :) Well, we could cut them some slack by assuming that the density is one kg/L. A most interestingpossibility, for those who believe in Randell Mills concept of hydrino hydride would be this: Given that hydrino hydride is an anion, according to Mills, then that species could balance the charge of the hydronium cation. That way, a 1/1 mix should be neutral in charge. There would still be a problem of phase separation - gas phase and liquid phase but perhapsthis mix could be frozen or otherwise absorbed. Ice-nine comes to mind Signed Felix Hoenikker
Re: [Vo]:ThomasGas - is it just another alternative energy scam ?
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 22 Jul 2020 13:57:20 + (UTC): Hi, [snip] One typical sign of BS is that they can't distinguish between L & kg. Quote:- "Seconds or 400 liters per hour ( 9,600 kgs in 24 hours) at 20 psi." also, good luck trying to compress positively charged ions. :)
Re: [Vo]:ThomasGas - is it just another alternative energy scam ?
Terry Blanton wrote: > Did you check out the article they referenced: https://phys.org/news/2020-07-liquid-hydrogen-oxygen-molecules.html > Considering the energy densities envolved, it looks more like HP than dense > H2. Yes, that reference is interesting in a general way, but in terms of specific implementation as an affordable fuel - the only real choice would seem to be hydronium (as a cation). It is a natural component of water. Catch 22. The hydronium cation is not stable and quickly neutralizes, BUT maybe they have found a way to stabilize it? Here is an paper on hydronium metastability. "Metastable hydronium ions in UV-irradiated ice" https://aip.scitation.org/doi/abs/10.1063/1.4768418 Curiously, since the topic of electrets came up, that could possibly be another way. Given that Thomas is not pleading for investment, it could be that he is being somewhat less than open in the details, but why publish anything at all? Maybe he is looking for the rare investor who is actively looking for such a solution and can fill in the blanks.
Re: [Vo]:ThomasGas - is it just another alternative energy scam ?
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 9:57 AM Jones Beene wrote: > > This turned up today - a "new" hydrogen based fuel... shades of Brown's Gas ? > > https://thomasinstitute.weebly.com/ Very interesting, Mr. Beene. I filled out the contact information and will let you know if I hear from them. I must admit that I am suspicious since the domain thomasinstitute.net is available but they chose to use weebly.com, a low cost service provider. Further research is warranted. Did you check out the article they referenced: https://phys.org/news/2020-07-liquid-hydrogen-oxygen-molecules.html Considering the energy densities envolved, it looks more like HP than dense H2. Thanks, Jones.
[Vo]:Two new papers by Mike Staker
Regarding the SAV phase. Staker, M.R., *A model and simulation of lattice vibrations in a superabundant vacancy phase of palladium–deuterium.* Modelling Simul. Mater. Sci. Eng., 2020. *28* https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StakerMRamodelands.pdf Staker, M.R., *Estimating volume fractions of superabundant vacancy phases and their potential roles in low energy nuclear reactions and high conductivity in the palladium – isotopic hydrogen system*. Materials Science & Engineering B, 2020. *295* https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StakerMRestimating.pdf
[Vo]:ThomasGas - is it just another alternative energy scam ?
This turned up today - a "new" hydrogen based fuel... shades of Brown's Gas ? https://thomasinstitute.weebly.com/ Thomas Gas has all the hallmarks of the typical alternative energy scam, including no independent verification, no useful data, no peer reviewed paper and absurd health claims. But unlike most of these scams - is alluring in that they claim to have a long running working device. Also - a few other details do check out, so at least it is an above-average scam. Plus - if there is anything to it at all - the description makes it sound like it could involve dense hydrogen in some way, but that too is not clear. Any new tech with overtones of dense hydrogen gets my interest. Quote: "The prototype of the Thomas Gas Generator is now working for over 5 years." Whoa. That should be easy enough to document, yet there is no indication from a reputable source that it is true and no images of the device. They have a Facebook page, but I am anti-FB so that is no help. They continue: "Thomas Gas (TG) is a hydrogen derivative that is 100 % green, clean, environmentally safe, and has higher energy potential than typical hydrogen gas...TG has a net charge of +1, non-combustible, superconductor versus Hydrogen with 0 net charge, highly combustible, and high conductivity. The British thermal unit (BTU) is a measure of energy production. Molecular hydrogen (H2) carries 2.7X higher energy per unit mass than gasoline (1 kg of H2 has approximately the energy content of one gallon (2.7 kg) of gasoline). Energy Generated by Combustion of Fuels and Hydrogen Fuels BTU/lb. Gasoline (n-Heptane) 19,314 Natural gas 20,267 Conventional gasoline 18,679 U.S. conventional diesel 18,397 Crude oil 18,352 Hydrogen (H2) 52,200 Thomas Gas (TG) 196,200 As depicted, the energy contained in 1 pound of TG is 10.5 X greater than conventional gasoline and3.75X greater than H2. Is this complete BS? My guess is that the odds of it being real are slim, but there is possibly something there and I am willing to waste a few hours of Covid time, trying to find out.
