RE: [Vo]:Gravity helps overcome Coulomb barrier with 223 ev kineticenergy for H ion
Brian— The following vortex message has links to the theory and the patent as well. On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 1:50 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> <bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2016/0118144.html The following is taken from the link noted above: Lipinski et al., "Gravity Theory Based on Mass-nergy Equivalence" Acta Physica Polonica B v. 39 n. 11 (2008) 2823-2865. It is based on an old paper from the 1930’s which challenged General Relativity at the time. It seems to add the potential energy of gravity to the total energy of a particle such as a nucleus or a coherent system. Bob Cook From: Brian Ahern <ahern_br...@msn.com> Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 4:45:45 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Gravity helps overcome Coulomb barrier with 223 ev kineticenergy for H ion What is this? gravity paper? where is it? From: JonesBeene <jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 12:42 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Gravity helps overcome Coulomb barrier with 223 ev kineticenergy for H ion This is a local company to me - and I would be more excited about them if they weren’t more secretive and made more sense. They do have good credentials, but not so good as far as the theory of operation goes. Having a patent means nothing - and I’m not buying the two kinds of gravity concept. As I recall, Brad Lowe who lives in the area - got in touch with them a couple of years ago and offered his services - to more or less work for free, getting them to market - in order to get in on the ground floor. They appeared to be ready for a working PoC back then and it sounded like the “next big thing” … so this makes perfect sense. They declined his offer. Then they went completely silent. This and other similar anecdotes make me doubt that they really have anything of value…. Kinda like Brillouin on the other side of the Bay. Most likely, both groups have seen anomalous gain from time to time, but neither of the systems is reliable or reproducible by others. I would put Rossi in that same category.
Re: [Vo]:Gravity helps overcome Coulomb barrier with 223 ev kineticenergy for H ion
Proton-proton chain The p-p chain begins, as described above, by two protons reacting to form a deuteron, D2. At low temperatures (less than about 14 ×106 K), we have the following sequence (termed ppI) ppI: reactionp + p ® D2 + e+ + ne (1.4 ×1010 yr) p + D ® He3 + g (6 sec) where the reaction times, typical for the solar core, are show in brackets. For temperatures below about 107 K this reaction terminates with the production of He3. At higher temperatures, an aditional reaction takes place: reactionHe3 + He3 ® He4 + p + p (106 yr) The first step involves the fusion of two 1 H <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen> nuclei (protons <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton>) into deuterium <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterium>, releasing a positron <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron> and a neutrino <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino> as one proton changes into a neutron <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron>. It is a two-stage process; first, two protons fuse to form a diproton <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diproton>: 1 1H <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen-1> + 1 1H <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen-1> → 2 2He <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium-2> followed by the beta-plus decay <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron_emission> of the diproton to deuterium: 2 2He <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium-2> → 2 1H <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen-2> + e+ <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron> + ν e <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_neutrino> with the overall formula: 1 1H <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen-1> + 1 1H <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen-1> → 2 1H <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen-2> + e+ <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron> + ν e <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_neutrino> + 0.42 MeV <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronvolt> This first step is extremely slow because the positron emission of the diproton to deuterium is extremely rare (the vast majority of the time, the diproton decays back into hydrogen-1 through proton emission). This is because the emission of the positron is brought about by the weak nuclear force, which is immensely weaker than the strong nuclear force <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_nuclear_force> and the electromagnetic force. The takeaway... 14 billion years average pp fusion reaction time. On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Brian Ahern <ahern_br...@msn.com> wrote: > What is this? gravity paper? where is it? > > > -------------- > *From:* JonesBeene <jone...@pacbell.net> > *Sent:* Monday, November 6, 2017 12:42 PM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:Gravity helps overcome Coulomb barrier with 223 ev > kineticenergy for H ion > > > > > > > This is a local company to me - and I would be more excited about them if > they weren’t more secretive and made more sense. They do have good > credentials, but not so good as far as the theory of operation goes. > > > > Having a patent means nothing - and I’m not buying the two kinds of > gravity concept. > > > > As I recall, Brad Lowe who lives in the area - got in touch with them a > couple of years ago and offered his services - to more or less work for > free, getting them to market - in order to get in on the ground floor. They > appeared to be ready for a working PoC back then and it sounded like the > “next big thing” … so this makes perfect sense. > > > > They declined his offer. Then they went completely silent. This and other > similar anecdotes make me doubt that they really have anything of value…. > Kinda like Brillouin on the other side of the Bay. > > > > Most likely, both groups have seen anomalous gain from time to time, but > neither of the systems is reliable or reproducible by others. I would put > Rossi in that same category. > > >
Re: [Vo]:Gravity helps overcome Coulomb barrier with 223 ev kineticenergy for H ion
What is this? gravity paper? where is it? From: JonesBeene <jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 12:42 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Gravity helps overcome Coulomb barrier with 223 ev kineticenergy for H ion This is a local company to me - and I would be more excited about them if they weren’t more secretive and made more sense. They do have good credentials, but not so good as far as the theory of operation goes. Having a patent means nothing - and I’m not buying the two kinds of gravity concept. As I recall, Brad Lowe who lives in the area - got in touch with them a couple of years ago and offered his services - to more or less work for free, getting them to market - in order to get in on the ground floor. They appeared to be ready for a working PoC back then and it sounded like the “next big thing” … so this makes perfect sense. They declined his offer. Then they went completely silent. This and other similar anecdotes make me doubt that they really have anything of value…. Kinda like Brillouin on the other side of the Bay. Most likely, both groups have seen anomalous gain from time to time, but neither of the systems is reliable or reproducible by others. I would put Rossi in that same category.
RE: [Vo]:Gravity helps overcome Coulomb barrier with 223 ev kineticenergy for H ion
I would agree with the idea of secrecy—at least some obfuscation in the patent. For example, I could not find a sure statement regarding the makeup of the Lithium targets and their differences. I would guess they do not have a pure plasma of ionized particles. It is probably a dusty plasma as George Elegy has described in Infinite Energy. Ni or tungsten probably is part of the dusty plasma, but remains unspecified in the patent. Why they do not use a full- range mass spec device to monitor the plasma is not spelled out. Bob Cook From: JonesBeene <jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 9:42:50 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Gravity helps overcome Coulomb barrier with 223 ev kineticenergy for H ion This is a local company to me - and I would be more excited about them if they weren’t more secretive and made more sense. They do have good credentials, but not so good as far as the theory of operation goes. Having a patent means nothing - and I’m not buying the two kinds of gravity concept. As I recall, Brad Lowe who lives in the area - got in touch with them a couple of years ago and offered his services - to more or less work for free, getting them to market - in order to get in on the ground floor. They appeared to be ready for a working PoC back then and it sounded like the “next big thing” … so this makes perfect sense. They declined his offer. Then they went completely silent. This and other similar anecdotes make me doubt that they really have anything of value…. Kinda like Brillouin on the other side of the Bay. Most likely, both groups have seen anomalous gain from time to time, but neither of the systems is reliable or reproducible by others. I would put Rossi in that same category.
RE: [Vo]:Gravity helps overcome Coulomb barrier with 223 ev kineticenergy for H ion
This is a local company to me - and I would be more excited about them if they weren’t more secretive and made more sense. They do have good credentials, but not so good as far as the theory of operation goes. Having a patent means nothing - and I’m not buying the two kinds of gravity concept. As I recall, Brad Lowe who lives in the area - got in touch with them a couple of years ago and offered his services - to more or less work for free, getting them to market - in order to get in on the ground floor. They appeared to be ready for a working PoC back then and it sounded like the “next big thing” … so this makes perfect sense. They declined his offer. Then they went completely silent. This and other similar anecdotes make me doubt that they really have anything of value…. Kinda like Brillouin on the other side of the Bay. Most likely, both groups have seen anomalous gain from time to time, but neither of the systems is reliable or reproducible by others. I would put Rossi in that same category.
