RE: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory?
Jones: From what I gather, a lead storage battery alone can power a device at the same time it is being charged by an oscillating circuit containing inductors, capacitors and diodes. With proper tuning an LENR reaction within the battery would supply the the energy. Keeping it simple, Reality
RE: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory?
Getting back to Reality so to speak: Here is Mills' thinking on a robust battery, based on fractional hydrogen (hydrino) operating as the electrolyte itself: http://www.blacklightpower.com/battery.shtml And yes, this would be simple and effective, if this species were stable and could be contained. But Mills has had well over a decade to produce a prototype and none has been seen. That may only mean this particular method does not work when another slightly related method could work, especially if the other method depends simply on an energetic electrode reaction and not a new kind of charge carrier. What I am suggesting is that the gain does not need to be related to Mills hydrided charge carrier, but instead could be related to enhancing the redox see-saw that is already there. If one can produce a battery with recurrent EUV reactions happening on an electrode (either electrode), then these photons will reverse the local oxidation states and provide extra energy that way. This is a completely different way of doing what Mills proposes, and it is not unlike the Bedini method. However, let me say there is zero evidence that these guys in SA have done this, and even if they have, John Bedini has the expertise and a patent portfolio that is looking to be almost bulletproof, so only a fool would follow Sterling Allan's advice. I'll repeat the prediction that Sterling will never receive a working device from them. Jones -Original Message- From: integral.property.serv...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory? Jones: From what I gather, a lead storage battery alone can power a device at the same time it is being charged by an oscillating circuit containing inductors, capacitors and diodes. With proper tuning an LENR reaction within the battery would supply the the energy. Keeping it simple, Reality
Re: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory?
http://freeenergynews.com/SmartScarecrow/2012/02/23/ - Original Message - From: zer tte c_foreig...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:28:43 PM Some new details emerged yesterday from the Smartscarecrow show.
RE: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory?
These battery pulsing/shuttling devices have been around since the Ed Grey motor. Whatever it is, it gets rediscovered and rediscovered. I personally think that Ed Shoulders Charge Clusters explain both LENR and these devices. If have ever read his main patents, you are witness to a huge amount of careful and extensive experimentation. -Original Message- From: Alan Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com] Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:31 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory? Summary : could be an LENR effect -- Lead+H or Tin+H -- Tin HAS been a component of some positive experiments. From: Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:32:32 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report What I witnessed, along with three other scientists that I brought along -- all more qualified than myself -- was a 5 kW unit powered by four batteries, running for three hours continuous, driving a load of approximately 4 KW. According to the amp-hour rating of those batteries (102 Ah each), without being recharged from an external source, they should have lasted only 35 minutes before running down completely, no longer able to power the system. The load was roughly 4 kW, comprised of: - a two-burner stove, each burner consuming 1 kW (rated power according to manufacturer) - a toaster that consumed 850 Watts (rated power) - a pancake maker that consumes 1 kW (rated power) - A 40-Watt fan (rated power) http://pesn.com/2012/02/22/9602042_South_African_Fuel-Free_Generator_P reparing_for_Market/ Except for the fan, these are all resistive loads, and hard to fool. Note in the report that for the larger units they had an industrial resistor bank at hand as a load. AND http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg63222.html … but as we have mentioned here on vortex many times, if this battery shuttling technique, using back EMF, does work – and there is no firm proof that it does but lots of positive anecdotal evidence, then the reason it works is probably related to some from of LENR in the battery itself ! IOW - the battery, which is an electrochemical cell, not unlike the ones used in PF and most of LENR, is the active source of power. Lead-acid batteries seem to be particularly adaptable to the technique. NB: the sum of the first three electrons in the valence shell of the atom of Pb, has net ionization potential of 54.4 eV, which is the prime Rydberg value for the T-effect (Thermacore effect) which is seen in experiments going back to 1990, first patented by Thermacore. Jones - - - - - - - - - - Lets presume for the moment that the output is real. The effect occurs only in lead-acid batteries, during the discharge phase, at a time when the negative plate is mostly lead. (During this phase the other battery is recharged -- their roles are switched periodically) Discharge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93acid_battery#Discharge Negative plate reaction: Pb(s) + HSO− 4(aq) → PbSO4(s) + H+(aq) + 2e− Positive plate reaction: PbO2(s) + HSO− 4(aq) + 3H+(aq) + 2e− → PbSO4(s) + 2H2O(l) So hydrogen is intimately involved with both plates. This may be analogous to the classical LENR loading requirement. Secondly, a high-frequency FUTZ is applied to the discharging battery. Again, note the similarity to the various triggers required for LENR -- particularly voltage pulses. So at least TWO of the required LENR conditions are satisfied. So ... what are the candidate metals? a) Lead -- but I can't find any reports of Lead in LENR (except in the solder on the terminals). But if we look at : Plates http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93acid_battery#Plates Practical cells are usually not made with pure lead but have small amounts of antimony, tin, calcium or selenium alloyed in the plate material to add strength and simplify manufacture. b) Tin -- NOW we start to get some hits: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MenloveHOreproducib.pdf REPRODUCIBLE NEUTRON EMISSION MEASUREMENTS FROM Ti METAL IN PRESSURIZED D2 GAS H. O. Menlove, ... Los Alamos National Laboratory, Jones Brigham Young University During the past year, we have measured neutron emission from samples of titanium (Ti) metal and sponge in pressurized D2 gas. By measuring high-mass samples (300 g Ti) over several weeks, with many liquid nitrogen temperature cycles, we have detected neutron emission above the background from most of the samples with a significance level of 3 to 9 sigma ALL of the active samples contain some Ti662 (Ti, 6% Al, 6%V, and 2% Sn) Also see Geo-fusion and Cold Nucleosynthesis www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/JonesSEgeofusiona.pdf NEW PHYSICAL EFFECTS IN METAL DEUTERIDES http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Hagelsteinnewphysica.pdf Tin has also been mentioned as a possible surface contaminant on Pd. c) antimony calcium or selenium (I haven't searched
RE: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory?
At 06:54 AM 2/24/2012, Zell, Chris wrote: These battery pulsing/shuttling devices have been around since the Ed Grey motor. Whatever it is, it gets rediscovered and rediscovered http://keelynet.com/evgray/evgray1.htm http://keelynet.com/evgray/evgray2.htm http://keelynet.com/evgray/evgray3.htm It notes that high quality batteries are required. You pay for a SA FFG after 30 days of use ... which is as long as their longest reported run. I personally think that Ed Shoulders Charge Clusters explain both LENR and these devices. If have ever read his main patents, you are witness to a huge amount of careful and extensive experimentation. First I've heard of them ... off to google
RE: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory?
At 11:05 AM 2/24/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 06:54 AM 2/24/2012, Zell, Chris wrote: These battery pulsing/shuttling devices have been around since the Ed Grey motor. Whatever it is, it gets rediscovered and rediscovered A bunch of Ed Grey links : starting in 1973, patent application 1980 http://www.rexresearch.com/evgray/1gray.htm
RE: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory?
At 06:54 AM 2/24/2012, Zell, Chris wrote: These battery pulsing/shuttling devices have been around since the Ed Grey motor. Whatever it is, it gets rediscovered and rediscovered. Here's a 2000-page compendium of Free Energy Devices. (Ed Grey is only noted in an appendix). Free Energy Devices http://www.scribd.com/doc/21334918/Free-Energy-Devices In section 5 (p 161 -- discussing John Bedini) the idea of pulses-to-batteries seems to go back to Tesla! The Tesla Switch It doesn't stop there. Nikola Tesla introduced the world to Alternating Current (AC) butlater on he moved from AC to very short, sharp pulses of Direct Current (DC). He found that by adjusting the frequency and duration of these high-voltage pulses, that he could produce a whole range of effects drawn from the environment - heating, cooling, lighting, etc. The important point to note is that the pulses were drawing energy directly from the immediate environment. Leaving aside the advanced equipment which Tesla was using during those experiments and moving to Tesla's simple-looking 4-battery switch, we discover the same background operation of sharp voltage pulses drawing free-energy from the environment. ... The Electrodyne Corporation tested the Tesla 4-battery circuit over a period of three years. They found that at the end of that period, the batteries did not show any unusual deterioration. The batteries used were ordinary lead-acid batteries. The system operated lights, heaters, television sets, small motors and a 30-horsepower electric motor. If the batteries were run down to a low level and then the circuit switch on with a load, the recharging of the batteries took place in under one minute. No heating was experienced duringthis rapid charging. Heat was only produced during discharge cycles. If left undisturbed, each battery wouldcharge up to nearly 36 volts. Control circuitry was developed to prevent this over-charging. They used mechanical switching and stated that below 100 Hz there was not much advantage with the circuit and above 800 Hz it could be dangerous ...
RE: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory?
Here's a 2000-page compendium of Free Energy Devices. Free Energy Devices http://www.scribd.com/doc/21334918/Free-Energy-Devices Also available on-line (Chapters in separate PDF's) : http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/ (Warning : Chapter 13 goes off the deep end, with a UK-equivalent of 'Sovereign Citizen foo)
RE: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory?
The Tesla Switch seems to derive from Ronald Brandt -- who is generally reported to have been a close friend of Tesla (though google books / biographies don't show him). This seems to be the initial definitive report on Bedini's version : http://www.esmhome.org/library/john-bedini/report_on_4_battery_switch.pdf Steven, I spoke with John this morning concerning your request for a copy of the Eike Mueller Report. He has no problem with me posting it, but also said he would not be commenting on it in this forum, or anywhere else. He said he agrees with us, that Ron Brandt showed him the circuit and that he doesn't even know why it was called the Tesla Switch. I'll scan the document into a .pdf file over the weekend and get Aaron to show me how to post it. Peter [ Lindemann ] ... scan of Mueller Report follows ... - - - - - Some sites refer to it as the Brandt/Tesla Switch So far, this is the only biography I can find on Brandt : http://www.witts.ws/2010/12/31/020-how-to-be-led-by-the-spirit-divine-healing-guest-timothy-martin-the-life-of-ron-brandts/ How to be Led by the Spirit, Divine Healing; Guest Timothy Martin The Life of Ron Brandton December 31st, 2010 at 9:13 am Topics: Former Ministry spokesman and Free Energy legend, Ronald Brandts Amazing Life -Former Ministry Spokesman Ron Brandt recently died (inventor of the Brandt-Tesla Switch, and many other devices.) -Ron run over by a CAT, head held together with duct tape, brain picked up off of ground after prayer! -Ron working on the Philadelphia Experiment, worm hole, invisibility, intangibility -Gravity Motor Plans
RE: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory?
To explain: Ed Shoulders is not some ill-educated crackpot. He discovered a 'particle' he initially called Electron Validum, later changed to charge cluster. Some Russians independently made the same claim, calling them ectons' or something. Anyhow, they are transient structures of huge numbers of electrons briefly stuck together, somehow in defiance of mutual repulsion. They can go thru refractory material like butter and their concentraion of charge means they can bust thru a Coulomb barrier and transmute atoms. Shoulders says that various government types wanted to classify his patents as secret but he published his results in such a way as to prevent that.
RE: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory?
At 01:05 PM 2/24/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: The Tesla Switch seems to derive from Ronald Brandt -- who is generally reported to have been a close friend of Tesla (though google books / biographies don't show him). http://www.overunity.com/12003/estate-of-ron-brandt/ Estate of Ron Brandt « on: February 11, 2012, 10:50:43 PM » I purchased the estate of Ron Brandt, the inventor of the Tesla switch, this past summer. Items include a number of his Tesla switches, perm-mag motors, diagrams, vidoes and audio tapes of experiements and various mock ups. Wondering what I should do with these items.
RE: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory?
It's KEN Shoulders, not Ed Shoulders... -Original Message- From: Zell, Chris [mailto:chrisz...@wetmtv.com] Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:34 PM To: 'vortex-l@eskimo.com' Subject: RE: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory? To explain: Ed Shoulders is not some ill-educated crackpot. He discovered a 'particle' he initially called Electron Validum, later changed to charge cluster. Some Russians independently made the same claim, calling them ectons' or something. Anyhow, they are transient structures of huge numbers of electrons briefly stuck together, somehow in defiance of mutual repulsion. They can go thru refractory material like butter and their concentraion of charge means they can bust thru a Coulomb barrier and transmute atoms. Shoulders says that various government types wanted to classify his patents as secret but he published his results in such a way as to prevent that.
RE: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory?
At 01:33 PM 2/24/2012, Zell, Chris wrote: To explain: Ed Shoulders is not some ill-educated crackpot. He discovered a 'particle' he initially called Electron Validum, later changed to charge cluster. Some Russians independently made the same claim, calling them ectons' or something. Seems to be a collection of Ken Shoulders articles here : http://www.svn.net/krscfs/ I found his main CF/LENR paper at : http://newenergytimes.com/v2/archives/fic/J/JNE1N3.PDF Page 111
Re: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory?
Some new details emerged yesterday from the Smartscarecrow show. Sterling said most of the components are off the shelf except from the control board of course, so he's planning to build some units at home then have the inventor to come to set them up. Unfortunately he also added that Mark Dansie was not able to review the device while he was there (for those who followed the story, the inventor was hospitalised for some undisclosed reason). So don't expect a report from him until the device can be reviewed in the US.
Re: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory?
Summary : could be an LENR effect -- Lead+H or Tin+H -- Tin HAS been a component of some positive experiments. From: Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:32:32 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report What I witnessed, along with three other scientists that I brought along -- all more qualified than myself -- was a 5 kW unit powered by four batteries, running for three hours continuous, driving a load of approximately 4 KW. According to the amp-hour rating of those batteries (102 Ah each), without being recharged from an external source, they should have lasted only 35 minutes before running down completely, no longer able to power the system. The load was roughly 4 kW, comprised of: - a two-burner stove, each burner consuming 1 kW (rated power according to manufacturer) - a toaster that consumed 850 Watts (rated power) - a pancake maker that consumes 1 kW (rated power) - A 40-Watt fan (rated power) http://pesn.com/2012/02/22/9602042_South_African_Fuel-Free_Generator_Preparing_for_Market/ Except for the fan, these are all resistive loads, and hard to fool. Note in the report that for the larger units they had an industrial resistor bank at hand as a load. AND http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg63222.html … but as we have mentioned here on vortex many times, if this battery shuttling technique, using back EMF, does work – and there is no firm proof that it does but lots of positive anecdotal evidence, then the reason it works is probably related to some from of LENR in the battery itself ! IOW - the battery, which is an electrochemical cell, not unlike the ones used in PF and most of LENR, is the active source of power. Lead-acid batteries seem to be particularly adaptable to the technique. NB: the sum of the first three electrons in the valence shell of the atom of Pb, has net ionization potential of 54.4 eV, which is the prime Rydberg value for the T-effect (Thermacore effect) which is seen in experiments going back to 1990, first patented by Thermacore. Jones - - - - - - - - - - Lets presume for the moment that the output is real. The effect occurs only in lead-acid batteries, during the discharge phase, at a time when the negative plate is mostly lead. (During this phase the other battery is recharged -- their roles are switched periodically) Discharge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93acid_battery#Discharge Negative plate reaction: Pb(s) + HSO− 4(aq) → PbSO4(s) + H+(aq) + 2e− Positive plate reaction: PbO2(s) + HSO− 4(aq) + 3H+(aq) + 2e− → PbSO4(s) + 2H2O(l) So hydrogen is intimately involved with both plates. This may be analogous to the classical LENR loading requirement. Secondly, a high-frequency FUTZ is applied to the discharging battery. Again, note the similarity to the various triggers required for LENR -- particularly voltage pulses. So at least TWO of the required LENR conditions are satisfied. So ... what are the candidate metals? a) Lead -- but I can't find any reports of Lead in LENR (except in the solder on the terminals). But if we look at : Plates http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93acid_battery#Plates Practical cells are usually not made with pure lead but have small amounts of antimony, tin, calcium or selenium alloyed in the plate material to add strength and simplify manufacture. b) Tin -- NOW we start to get some hits: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MenloveHOreproducib.pdf REPRODUCIBLE NEUTRON EMISSION MEASUREMENTS FROM Ti METAL IN PRESSURIZED D2 GAS H. O. Menlove, ... Los Alamos National Laboratory, Jones Brigham Young University During the past year, we have measured neutron emission from samples of titanium (Ti) metal and sponge in pressurized D2 gas. By measuring high-mass samples (300 g Ti) over several weeks, with many liquid nitrogen temperature cycles, we have detected neutron emission above the background from most of the samples with a significance level of 3 to 9 sigma ALL of the active samples contain some Ti662 (Ti, 6% Al, 6%V, and 2% Sn) Also see Geo-fusion and Cold Nucleosynthesis www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/JonesSEgeofusiona.pdf NEW PHYSICAL EFFECTS IN METAL DEUTERIDES http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Hagelsteinnewphysica.pdf Tin has also been mentioned as a possible surface contaminant on Pd. c) antimony calcium or selenium (I haven't searched these yet)
Re: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory?
NEW PHYSICAL EFFECTS IN METAL DEUTERIDES http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Hagelsteinnewphysica.pdf Ti(662) In all cases in the recent Jones experiments, excess nuclear counts diminish with time, positive signals are observed greater than 50% of the time, and no excess nuclear counts are observed when H2 is substituted for D2.
Re: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory?
- Original Message - Summary : could be an LENR effect -- Lead+H a) Lead -- but I can't find any reports of Lead in LENR (except in the solder on the terminals). Turns out Lead-Hydrogen is ... interesting : http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0378436381908883 Localized modes of oscillation in hydrogen and deuterium doped lead * B.W. Nedrud∗, D.M. Ginsberg * a Department of Physics and Materials Research Laboratory 1110 West Green Street USA * b University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Urbana, IL 61801 USA We have measured the tunneling characteristics of quench-condensed films of pure Pb, hydrogen-doped Pb, and deuterium- doped Pb. We have determined phonon spectra to fit the electronic densities of states calculated from our data. The phonon spectra for Pb/H and Pb/D exhibit additional phonon peaks which we associate with a localized mode (or modes) of the impurity. The magnitudes of the peaks indicate that this mode is strongly coupled to the electronic system. - - - - - - - http://www.mendeley.com/research/isotopic-exchange-between-hydrogen-deuterium-process-permeating-through-li017pb083/ Fusion Engineering and Design (2010) Volume: 85, Issue: 7-9, Pages: 1225-1228 The permeation process of hydrogen isotopes through Li0.17Pb0.83 has been investigated experimentally. We obtained the overall D permeation rates that take into consideration of the effects of the H-D isotopic exchange reaction on the surface and diffusion in the Li-Pb layer. It was proved that the rate-determining step was not the surface reaction but the diffusion in the Li-Pb bulk.
RE: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory?
-Original Message- From: Alan Fletcher Summary : could be an LENR effect -- Lead+H or Tin+H -- Tin HAS been a component of some positive experiments. Yes, Alan it does looks like a LENR effect, and a significant anomaly but not novel as they admit the Bedini influence - and sadly it is one that does not have positive economic value. They admit that the limit of usefulness for the system is now a few weeks. Let's say they can get that up to 1000 hours before battery failure (and do it before shipping prototypes next month, which is doubtful). Well, on the one hand it indicates an impressive energy anomaly, pointing towards LENR - but then again, they have consumed about $ 500 worth of batteries to produce about $400 worth of electricity. They need to team up with a University first - to document the gain and then get a top flight engineering firm involved to see if the lifetime of batteries can be increased by a large factor. Otherwise - like the Bedini battery swapping technique which they have copied - this is going nowhere commercially. Jones
