I offered an explanation of mass psychology and its artificial selective
pressures that also explains a lot of the irrationality among the
pseudo-skeptics. Group selection is destructive to individual integrity.
Eventually they're addicted to feeling power in numbers. Knowing the CF
crowd is a
The focus fusion guy, Eric Lerner, can't get his cosmology theory published
because it contradicts the big bang theory.
I thought welcome to the science outsiders club, Eric
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 9:37 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
I offered an explanation of mass psychology and
Benabou have a vision which is not far.
for him it is not desire but fear that push such crowd-suicide name
groupthink.
The idea is that in a herd, you are killed if you disagree, and you cannot
escape if you see the error.
Your herd also may survive long if there is not too much dissenters to
If CF is real, why doesn't it occur in white dwarves with their high
temperature and pressure electron degenerate matter? After all, that is the
belief system of CF in cramming these lattices with hydrogen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_dwarf
The material in a white dwarf no longer
Furthermore,
The density of white dwarves is some 10^6g/cm^3 compared to water at
1g/cm^3. This would mean that the inter-nuclei spacing was 1/100 of water.
Now Muon catalyzed fusion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion which
we know works brings the nuclei 1/207 of the distance
Further furthermore if 90% of main sequence stars end up as white dwarves
when they have finished hot fusion, according to their limits, why don't
they go on burning in a CF manner so that the sky is full of UV,Xray or
even gamma ray dwarves? As the temperature built up again thermal runaway
would
In short, if you can't even get in the ball park of white dwarf matter in
the lab, what chance in hell have you of even approaching muon catalysed
reaction rates?
snip
Yes, No chance at all for any kind of fusion, especially with heavy metals.
Forget about shrunken atoms, the heavy
John Franks jf27...@gmail.com wrote:
If CF is real, why doesn't it occur in white dwarves with their high
temperature and pressure electron degenerate matter?
This reminds me of the question posed by Morrison: Why doesn't cold fusion
occur in heavy water ice?
To address your question, let me
With respect, who the f... are you? Are you a faculty member of any half
decent university? Will I find you in Nature, Science or Phys. Rev?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:05 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
In short, if you can't even get in the ball park of white dwarf matter in
the lab, what
The only thing a metal lattice has is periodicity, it certainly wouldn't
have the density of a white dwarf. So, this leads to the question, what has
periodicity got to do with cold fusion?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
John Franks jf27...@gmail.com
Mr. Franks why are you still on this list? We thought you got on your
coat, *twice* in one day, and found a hole to crawl into. Why are you
still wasting everyone's time with your antagonism? Are you mentally
dependent on catharsis and trolling?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:24 AM, John Franks
to they have to go you say, 1.094,000 meters per second.
Frank
-Original Message-
From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 19, 2013 9:05 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]: White Dwarves
In short, if you can't even get in the ball park of white dwarf matter
Why should I buy his book? Why can't he give a brief overview? Why can't he
just write a Hamiltonian so we can see what he's on about? If it's some
exchange type interaction, wouldn't the wavefunctions have to overlap or
there would be some mediating particle with spin, even then all it would do
You wot?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:35 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
What do you need to make a strong electromagnet? Just line up the
electron spins. The electrons are already moving.
What do you need to make a strong long range spin orbit force magnet.
Line a the nuclear spins and get
As Norman Ramsey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Foster_Ramsey,_Jr.pointed out
in his preamble to the DoE's original review of cold fusion:
However, even a *single* short but valid cold fusion period would be
revolutionary.
Dr. Franks will be gratified to learn that this kook died recently
You're just like the Bessler's Wheel crowd. You're convinced that some new
arrangement of the weights and arm length will make the wheel turn around
in perpetuity.
Everyone will tell you, until you sort out the mechanism (not nuts and
bolts) but how this would be possible in a conservative field,
I have a new fancy name for Bessler's Wheel / RAR Low Energy Nutation
Research (LENR) or Lossless Anomalous Nutation Rectification (LANR).
CF/LENR/LANR whatever fancy dancy name you're calling it these days is
another STEORN.
What is your C.O.P? 100 Watts (in the 1990s) tending to zero
John Franks jf27...@gmail.com wrote:
Everyone will tell you, until you sort out the mechanism (not nuts and
bolts) but how this would be possible in a conservative field, there is
little point in experimenting.
You have that backward. Cold fusion was discovered by experiment. We know
it is
What's the COP? Why don't they just commercialise it?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:04 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes R. A. ORIANI, JOHN C. NELSON, SUNG-KYU LEE, and J. H. BROADHURST
University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, Minnesota are just like Bessler's
Wheel crowd:
John Franks jf27...@gmail.com wrote:
What is your C.O.P? 100 Watts (in the 1990s) tending to zero Watts today.
A COP is a ratio, not a power level. The COP for many cold fusion reactions
is infinity.
- Jed
You shining light. That's just how the Bessler's wheel crowd think. It's
just needs someone to come out with modified Newtonian gravity and of
course, teflon wheel bearings.
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
John Franks jf27...@gmail.com wrote:
What rot you speak. Tell me Energy Out / Energy In.
Ecat got your tongue?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
John Franks jf27...@gmail.com wrote:
What is your C.O.P? 100 Watts (in the 1990s) tending to zero Watts today.
A COP is a ratio, not a
John Franks jf27...@gmail.com wrote:
What's the COP? Why don't they just commercialise it?
You need to read about this research in detail. You will see the reasons
they do not commercialize it. They are obvious.
If you keep posting these rude, ignorant comments, I and many others will
add your
Oh boo hoo.
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
If you keep posting these rude, ignorant comments, I and many others will
add your name to our kill file, and no one will see your comments or pay
any attention to you.
- Jed
On Dec 19, 2013, at 1:45, John Franks jf27...@gmail.com wrote:
If CF is real, why doesn't it occur in white dwarves with their high
temperature and pressure electron degenerate matter?
This is an interesting thought experiment. But it begs three questions:
* Does the effective pressure
John Franks jf27...@gmail.com wrote:
You shining light. That's just how the Bessler's wheel crowd think.
No, it isn't. They do not thousands of replicated experiments published in
mainstream, peer-reviewed journals. They cannot point to experiments at
places like China Lake or Los Alamos. This
Yes R. A. ORIANI, JOHN C. NELSON, SUNG-KYU LEE, and J. H. BROADHURST
University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, Minnesota are just like Bessler's
Wheel crowd:
Conducting a replication of a device's extraordinary effect which they
attempted (unlike Nathan Lewis et al) AFTER the publication of the full
How so? So you think there wouldn't be thermal runaway in a white dwarf if
CF was occurring, how so?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Dec 19, 2013, at 1:45, John Franks jf27...@gmail.com wrote:
If CF is real, why doesn't it occur in white
I meant to say:
Saying so does not make it true.
Pathological skeptics often fail to realize that. They confuse their own
opinion with reality.
- Jed
You're mistaking not believing in MAGICAL THINKING to being a pathological
skeptic.
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Pathological skeptics often fail to realize that. They confuse their own
opinion with reality.
- Jed
Let me restate, because you consistently avoid my questions, likely because
you are unable to provide a sane answer:
Why are you still on this list? We thought you got on your coat, *twice*
in one day, and found a hole to crawl into. Why are you still wasting
everyone's time with your antagonism?
Cold fusion occurs in a unique mixture of matter and gas in a particular
topology and within a tight temperature range. Meeting these tight
parameters is not found often in nature, but it can happen.
It is amazing that a very few and inspired experimenters have meet these
parameters, optimized
The hydrogen in metal hydrides is ATOMIC HYDROGEN (nascent hydrogen).
In electron degenerate mater there are free protons.
Your critique
maybe constructive because it sorts outs some theories but not all
theories about cold fusion.
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:29:01 +, John
Franks wrote:
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:26 AM, John Franks jf27...@gmail.com wrote:
The only thing a metal lattice has is periodicity, it certainly wouldn't
have the density of a white dwarf. So, this leads to the question, what has
periodicity got to do with cold fusion?
good question
Harry
Too vague. Ask why this should be so.
What COP (Energy Output / Energy Input) do you claim?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Cold fusion occurs in a unique mixture of matter and gas in a particular
topology and within a tight temperature range. Meeting
Jed, you hit the hard point that I found in an article (a recent message).
Your position is evident for someone with good scientific culture and good
practical sense, but not brainwashed by academic training of Popper
science philosophy .
It is evident if you are not popper-distorted that to
But what have chemical processes in the range of a few eV got to do with
nuclear processes in the range of MeV and cold fusion?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:14 PM, torulf.gr...@bredband.net wrote:
The hydrogen in metal hydrides is *atomic hydrogen* (nascent hydrogen). In
electron degenerate
There is no chemical process involved in CF. White dwarves are compressed
by degenerate matter by gravity, and not strong magnetic fields. If they
were, they would do cold fusion.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]: White Dwarves
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:26 AM, John Franks jf27...@gmail.com wrote:
The only thing a metal lattice has
So do you encourage people working on Bessler's Wheel, Steorn, SMOT devices
when they keep banging up against known theory (and hence experimental
observations) that in a conservative field, what you gain going down, you
give going up?
WHAT IS THE NEW ANGLE THAR EVERYONE IS MISSING?
So the
The magnetic field in white dwarves is very high. It will have similar
angular momentum to the parent star yet it has been compressed down to an
earth-sized radius. Concomitantly the magnetic field will be massive.
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
But not high enough. Not in the Teratesla range.
2013/12/19 John Franks jf27...@gmail.com
The magnetic field in white dwarves is very high. It will have similar
angular momentum to the parent star yet it has been compressed down to an
earth-sized radius. Concomitantly the magnetic field will
And how is this relevant to CF when the best super-conducting
electromagnets are about 100T
http://www.lanl.gov/science-innovation/science-features/world-record-set-magnetic-field.php
What current or spin currents would need to flow in a real material given
that iron has a maximum moment of about
fields into place if I
recall.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: John Franks jf27...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]: White Dwarves
The magnetic field in white dwarves is very high. It will have similar angular
Cold fusion is like(or maybe is) the Factional Quantum Hall Effect(FQHE).
Science did not believe that something like the FQHE was possible until it
was shown experimentally. Cold fusion is the FQHE moved over to the
fermions of the fermions of the atomic nucleus.
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 12:42
: Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]: White Dwarves
The magnetic field in white dwarves is very high. It will have similar
angular momentum to the parent star yet it has been compressed down to an
earth-sized radius. Concomitantly the magnetic field will be massive.
On Thu, Dec 19
Is like or maybe is
How so? Once again, QHE or FQHE is to do with cooperative properties of
light leptons. So how does this carry over to heavy hadrons and what does
that have to do with CF?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Cold fusion is like(or maybe is)
@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:54 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]: White Dwarves
Oh please:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_dwarf#Magnetic_field
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:50 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Have you seen data that supports you belief that the magnetic field is intense
FQHE reduces the inherent charge of fermions as a function of increasing
magnetic field.
The nucleus is a fermion, the protons and neutrons are fermions and so are
quarks.
Why should a magnetic field make a distinction in the way it reduces charge
is the various types of fermions? I won't.
On
, 2013 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]: White Dwarves
Is like or maybe is
How so? Once again, QHE or FQHE is to do with cooperative properties of light
leptons. So how does this carry over to heavy hadrons and what does that have
to do with CF?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Axil Axil janap
Subject: Re: [Vo]: White Dwarves
Oh please:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_dwarf#Magnetic_field
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:50 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote:
Have you seen data that supports you belief that the magnetic field is
intense? I would assume that the radiation
The current does not need to flow in a mateial and it does not. It is a
femto-atto pinch. I cannot say more.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
to start at
ground zero as in your case as well as everyone else's. It takes work to
get there.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: John Franks jf27...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:54 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]: White Dwarves
Oh please:
http
What's the magnitutde magnetic field and how do heavy hadrons display these
collective properties like light leptons?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
FQHE reduces the inherent charge of fermions as a function of increasing
magnetic field.
The nucleus is
You wot? You have a CF cell or whatever, you set it up and measure how much
energy was required to get it going. Now, how much energy was produced over
what you put in?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
COP is an engineering question, not a science question.
The magnetic field is atomic level. The next step in the research that the
Ni/H reactor developers need to do is measure the magnetic fields that they
are developing in their reactions. This can be done using sub-micron hall
effect probes.
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:10 PM, John Franks
None of your business.
2013/12/19 John Franks jf27...@gmail.com
You wot? You have a CF cell or whatever, you set it up and measure how
much energy was required to get it going. Now, how much energy was produced
over what you put in?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Axil Axil
How? No data, no COP and reliable experiments. No rationale.
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:03 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Axil is a fairly knowledgeable guy, but he can not single handedly
develop all the important laws of physics concerning LENR. Perhaps you
might wish to
Is this laying on of hands stuff ever going to get you in Nature?
What the hell is a femto-atto pinch?
A Vimto-apple punch could be quite a nice concoction, mmmh, must try it.
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
The current does not need to flow in a
Is this your great contribution to science?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
None of your business.
2013/12/19 John Franks jf27...@gmail.com
You wot? You have a CF cell or whatever, you set it up and measure how
much energy was required to get it
See, why you don't deserve. You are a pseudo skeptical. You won't help in
the research I am involved.
2013/12/19 John Franks jf27...@gmail.com
Is this laying on of hands stuff ever going to get you in Nature?
What the hell is a femto-atto pinch?
A Vimto-apple punch could be quite a nice
You need a different kind of help...
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
See, why you don't deserve. You are a pseudo skeptical. You won't help in
the research I am involved.
2013/12/19 John Franks jf27...@gmail.com
Is this laying on of hands stuff
My psychiatrist told me I can't stop lying, so I am now on traquilizers. I
won't answer anymooor.. z.
2013/12/19 John Franks jf27...@gmail.com
You need a different kind of help...
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:
Does 'g' mean anything to you? What is the magnetic moment of an electron?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
The magnetic field is atomic level. The next step in the research that the
Ni/H reactor developers need to do is measure the magnetic fields that
What is your point? Spin of a fermion is quantized.
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:26 PM, John Franks jf27...@gmail.com wrote:
Does 'g' mean anything to you? What is the magnetic moment of an electron?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
The magnetic field is
. We need
all the help we can obtain and you seem to be somewhat knowledgeable.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: John Franks jf27...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]: White Dwarves
How? No data, no COP and reliable
to complain and not contribute.
We need all the help we can obtain and you seem to be somewhat
knowledgeable.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: John Franks jf27...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]: White Dwarves
How? No data
The magnitude of it...
I'm going as the level of debate is very very amateur here.
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
What is your point? Spin of a fermion is quantized.
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:26 PM, John Franks jf27...@gmail.com wrote:
Does 'g' mean
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
COP is an engineering question, not a science question. Control of the LENR
reaction requires a limitation on COP. An infinite COP means that the
reactor melts down.
I would define an infinite COP as a reaction with no input power, and some
level of output
obtain and you
seem to be somewhat knowledgeable.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: John Franks
To: vortex-l
Sent: Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]: White Dwarves
How? No data, no COP and reliable
experiments. No rationale.
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:03 PM, David
Roberson
would prefer to complain and not contribute.
We need all the help we can obtain and you seem to be somewhat
knowledgeable.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: John Franks jf27...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]: White Dwarves
Why can't you carefully explain in a simplified way what mistakes that we
are making. Are we beyond all hopes of redemption?
The magnitude of it... just is not enough for us to understand the error
of our ways. Please before you go, just explain this phrase to me.
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:18
One atomic unit of magnetic field is defined for a Bohr magneton in a B
field which has the energy of 13.6 eV.
Thus 1 a.u. of magnetic field = *2.35x10^^**5 *Tesla
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
The magnetic field is atomic level. The next step in the
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Indeed, it would be sinful for him to look through that telescope.
Seems hunting cold fusioners has become a sport of some kind. Perhaps
there are anecdotes going around, and young, inexperienced physics students
want
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