[Vo]:Credible news services picking up Holmlids work

[Blaze Spinnaker]

http://www.chem.info/news/2015/09/scientists-closing-small-scale-nuclear-fusion

http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/karnkraft/article3933699.ece

Too bad Mats didn't get to write that :(

Re: [Vo]:Credible news services picking up Holmlids work

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Apparently Holmlid has a reputation as a fellow crackpot:

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/36064/is-ultradense-deuterium-real

Hope it turns out to be the real thing.. love to see these condescending
pricks swallow their .

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:45 AM, Blaze Spinnaker 
wrote:

>
> http://www.chem.info/news/2015/09/scientists-closing-small-scale-nuclear-fusion
>
> http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/karnkraft/article3933699.ece
>
> Too bad Mats didn't get to write that :(
>

Re: [Vo]:Credible news services picking up Holmlids work

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Looks like our good buddy Goran Eriksson of Eriksson and Pomp fame weighing
in here:

*Goran Eriksson is Professor* in Applied Nuclear Physics at Uppsala
University and he believes that Holmlids research is speculative.

- There is no basis for drawing the conclusions he makes, and as far as I
can see, he refers only to their own research.

*You do not believe in this?*

- No, I believe that the lack of independent sources. But as a scientist
you have to be open to new information.
- See more at:
http://www.gp.se/nyheter/goteborg/1.2843794-goteborgsforskare-havdar-lyckats-med-fusion#sthash.NvgHBGqK.dpuf


http://www.gp.se/nyheter/goteborg/1.2843794-goteborgsforskare-havdar-lyckats-med-fusion



On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:07 AM, Blaze Spinnaker 
wrote:

> Apparently Holmlid has a reputation as a fellow crackpot:
>
>
> http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/36064/is-ultradense-deuterium-real
>
> Hope it turns out to be the real thing.. love to see these condescending
> pricks swallow their .
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:45 AM, Blaze Spinnaker  > wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.chem.info/news/2015/09/scientists-closing-small-scale-nuclear-fusion
>>
>> http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/karnkraft/article3933699.ece
>>
>> Too bad Mats didn't get to write that :(
>>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Credible news services picking up Holmlids work

[Jones Beene]

From: Blaze Spinnaker
Apparently Holmlid has a reputation as a fellow crackpot:
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/36064/is-ultradense-deuterium-real


All the better. The line between mental health and genius has always been 
blurred and inversely correlated – going back to the Greeks. 

Newton, Einstein, Dirac, Curie, Socrates – all nutty as a fruitcake. Creativity 
itself is suspected as being significantly ASD-augmented. The late Hans 
Asperger, the Austrian MD after whom Asperger’s syndrome is named, said it 
best: “it seems that for success in science or art, a dash of autism is 
essential.”

https://cosmosmagazine.com/life-sciences/do-you-have-be-nuts-be-genius

Re: [Vo]:Credible news services picking up Holmlids work

[Jed Rothwell]

Jones Beene  wrote:
>
> All the better. The line between mental health and genius has always been
> blurred and inversely correlated – going back to the Greeks.
>
> Newton, Einstein, Dirac, Curie, Socrates – all nutty as a fruitcake.
>
Newton was a bit nutty, I think. I disagree about Einstein. I don't know
about the others. This article says:

Albert Einstein has also been subject to scrutiny. Einstein was a loner as
a child and didn’t speak until he was three, then he repeated sentences
obsessively for several years. In adulthood he lacked grooming (note the
wild crop of hair) and was reportedly lax about hygiene.


I have read that is not true. He spoke at the normal age, and he had a
happy childhood. He also got excellent grades in school contrary to what
you read in some accounts. That I confirmed with original sources, which
are now online.

He was somewhat lax about grooming but most physicists were then and still
are. It is an in-group thing. Programmers in the 1970s and 80s also
resembled an unmade bed, including me. Here is a wonderful clip from the
movie "IQ" portraying the grooming habits of 1930s physicists. This
includes one of my favorite movie lines: "This is a tie. This will hold up
your pants."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7stiKJsGjY

Einstein was popular with the ladies, and had many affairs. Evidently they
did not mind his grooming.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Credible news services picking up Holmlids work

[Axil Axil]

Holmlid is not thinking logically. First, there is only hot fusion and cold
fusion, nothing in between. If he is producing hot fusion, then he would
see gamma radiation coming from the impact of high speed neutral particles
produced by the copper shield that surrounds the reaction spot. The lack of
gamma radiation is a sure sign that the reaction that he is producing is
cold fusion.

Holmlid is a smart guy, it is hard to understand how he could not
understand the difference between hot and cold fusion. Could Holmlid be
doing the same thing that R. Mills has done, to deny that his research is
based on LENR to get people to take him seriously. Does he want to get the
scientific community to swallow the hook so that he can reel them in? Once
they are flopping around on the dock, he will tell them that they are
seeing cold fusion.

One of those hot fusion developers will eventually ask how Holmlid is not
dead from high energy neutron exposure and gamma radiation, What will
Holmlid say then? He cannot hide reality from the world forever.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 3:45 AM, Blaze Spinnaker 
wrote:

>
> http://www.chem.info/news/2015/09/scientists-closing-small-scale-nuclear-fusion
>
> http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/karnkraft/article3933699.ece
>
> Too bad Mats didn't get to write that :(
>

Re: [Vo]:Credible news services picking up Holmlids work

[Lennart Thornros]

OK Jed I give you that one.
I should have said that I do not think he is eccentric either.

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros

www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com
lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899
202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648

“Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment
to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Lennart Thornros  wrote:
>
>
>> . . . he is a very serious and not an eccentric person.
>>
>
> A person can be very serious and eccentric too, if I do say so myself.
> Academia is full of such people. So are disciplines such as programming and
> code breaking. When Churchill visited Bletchley Park, he supposedly said to
> the head of MI6: "When I told you to leave no stone unturned recruiting for
> this place, I didn’t expect you to take me literally."
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Credible news services picking up Holmlids work

[Jed Rothwell]

Lennart Thornros  wrote:


> . . . he is a very serious and not an eccentric person.
>

A person can be very serious and eccentric too, if I do say so myself.
Academia is full of such people. So are disciplines such as programming and
code breaking. When Churchill visited Bletchley Park, he supposedly said to
the head of MI6: "When I told you to leave no stone unturned recruiting for
this place, I didn’t expect you to take me literally."

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Credible news services picking up Holmlids work

[Lennart Thornros]

Just the notion that Holmlid is nuts is rather poor. No, substance. I
decided to check the background:
I think he is very sincere scientist. Not that I know him but his way of
presenting his material and the way he present himself indicates that he is
a very serious and not an eccentric person.
I read his comment about people saying he is a nutcase. In his opinion he
found that more indicative of the person who made such accusations, than it
had anything to do with him.
I do not think he is an entrepreneur. I know he will find backers and I
hope they can succeed in making this hot-cold fusion work.
Do I understand right that he actually has a method to handle hot fusion?.

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros

www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com
lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899
202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648

“Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment
to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Jones Beene  wrote:
>>
>> All the better. The line between mental health and genius has always
>> been blurred and inversely correlated – going back to the Greeks.
>>
>> Newton, Einstein, Dirac, Curie, Socrates – all nutty as a fruitcake.
>>
> Newton was a bit nutty, I think. I disagree about Einstein. I don't know
> about the others. This article says:
>
> Albert Einstein has also been subject to scrutiny. Einstein was a loner as
> a child and didn’t speak until he was three, then he repeated sentences
> obsessively for several years. In adulthood he lacked grooming (note the
> wild crop of hair) and was reportedly lax about hygiene.
>
>
> I have read that is not true. He spoke at the normal age, and he had a
> happy childhood. He also got excellent grades in school contrary to what
> you read in some accounts. That I confirmed with original sources, which
> are now online.
>
> He was somewhat lax about grooming but most physicists were then and still
> are. It is an in-group thing. Programmers in the 1970s and 80s also
> resembled an unmade bed, including me. Here is a wonderful clip from the
> movie "IQ" portraying the grooming habits of 1930s physicists. This
> includes one of my favorite movie lines: "This is a tie. This will hold up
> your pants."
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7stiKJsGjY
>
> Einstein was popular with the ladies, and had many affairs. Evidently they
> did not mind his grooming.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Credible news services picking up Holmlids work

[Lennart Thornros]

Hey Axil,
The technical reasons he is no good is your opinion. I have no way to
counter that.
Just make sure you are not going to have to eat that. It is easy to be
categoric using all existing knowledge and in the end have to eat crow. :)
If you are right and he has the time to google our blog he will certainly
think it over. If I could I would tell him your point. I just do not fully
see the difference.
I am sure you can email him at Goteborg's univeritet.
He looks alive:0

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros

www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com
lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899
202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648

“Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment
to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Holmlid is not thinking logically. First, there is only hot fusion and
> cold fusion, nothing in between. If he is producing hot fusion, then he
> would see gamma radiation coming from the impact of high speed neutral
> particles produced by the copper shield that surrounds the reaction spot.
> The lack of gamma radiation is a sure sign that the reaction that he is
> producing is cold fusion.
>
> Holmlid is a smart guy, it is hard to understand how he could not
> understand the difference between hot and cold fusion. Could Holmlid be
> doing the same thing that R. Mills has done, to deny that his research is
> based on LENR to get people to take him seriously. Does he want to get the
> scientific community to swallow the hook so that he can reel them in? Once
> they are flopping around on the dock, he will tell them that they are
> seeing cold fusion.
>
> One of those hot fusion developers will eventually ask how Holmlid is not
> dead from high energy neutron exposure and gamma radiation, What will
> Holmlid say then? He cannot hide reality from the world forever.
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 3:45 AM, Blaze Spinnaker 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.chem.info/news/2015/09/scientists-closing-small-scale-nuclear-fusion
>>
>> http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/karnkraft/article3933699.ece
>>
>> Too bad Mats didn't get to write that :(
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Credible news services picking up Holmlids work

[Axil Axil]

I don't know if its wise to disabuse Holmlid from his opinion at this early
juncture. It might be better to get other main stream scientists to
replicate his work assuming it is hot fusion. It would then be great to
show that all that replicated technology was in fact cold fusion.

Let us not kill this chicken before it can hatch.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Lennart Thornros 
wrote:

> Hey Axil,
> The technical reasons he is no good is your opinion. I have no way to
> counter that.
> Just make sure you are not going to have to eat that. It is easy to be
> categoric using all existing knowledge and in the end have to eat crow. :)
> If you are right and he has the time to google our blog he will certainly
> think it over. If I could I would tell him your point. I just do not fully
> see the difference.
> I am sure you can email him at Goteborg's univeritet.
> He looks alive:0
>
> Best Regards ,
> Lennart Thornros
>
> www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com
> lenn...@thornros.com
> +1 916 436 1899
> 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648
>
> “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a
> commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> Holmlid is not thinking logically. First, there is only hot fusion and
>> cold fusion, nothing in between. If he is producing hot fusion, then he
>> would see gamma radiation coming from the impact of high speed neutral
>> particles produced by the copper shield that surrounds the reaction spot.
>> The lack of gamma radiation is a sure sign that the reaction that he is
>> producing is cold fusion.
>>
>> Holmlid is a smart guy, it is hard to understand how he could not
>> understand the difference between hot and cold fusion. Could Holmlid be
>> doing the same thing that R. Mills has done, to deny that his research is
>> based on LENR to get people to take him seriously. Does he want to get the
>> scientific community to swallow the hook so that he can reel them in? Once
>> they are flopping around on the dock, he will tell them that they are
>> seeing cold fusion.
>>
>> One of those hot fusion developers will eventually ask how Holmlid is not
>> dead from high energy neutron exposure and gamma radiation, What will
>> Holmlid say then? He cannot hide reality from the world forever.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 3:45 AM, Blaze Spinnaker > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.chem.info/news/2015/09/scientists-closing-small-scale-nuclear-fusion
>>>
>>> http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/karnkraft/article3933699.ece
>>>
>>> Too bad Mats didn't get to write that :(
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Credible news services picking up Holmlids work

[torulf.greek]

I had Holmlid as lecturer in the basic course of physical chemistry
at Göteborg university around 1990. 

He had a reputation as a brilliant
scientist but a awful advisor among the graduated students.  

At that
time he was involved in development of solar cells. 

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015
16:58:41 -0400, Axil Axil  wrote:  
I don't know if its wise to disabuse
Holmlid from his opinion at this early juncture. It might be better to
get other main stream scientists to replicate his work assuming it is
hot fusion. It would then be great to show that all that replicated
technology was in fact cold fusion. 

Let us not kill this chicken
before it can hatch.  

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Lennart Thornros
wrote:

Hey Axil, 
The technical reasons he is no good is your opinion.
I have no way to counter that.  
Just make sure you are not going to
have to eat that. It is easy to be categoric using all existing
knowledge and in the end have to eat crow. :) 
If you are right and he
has the time to google our blog he will certainly think it over. If I
could I would tell him your point. I just do not fully see the
difference.  
I am sure you can email him at Goteborg's univeritet. 
He
looks alive:0  

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros


www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com [2] 

lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436
1899 
202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 

"Productivity is never
an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence,
intelligent planning, and focused effort." PJM 

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015
at 11:11 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

Holmlid is not thinking logically.
First, there is only hot fusion and cold fusion, nothing in between. If
he is producing hot fusion, then he would see gamma radiation coming
from the impact of high speed neutral particles produced by the copper
shield that surrounds the reaction spot. The lack of gamma radiation is
a sure sign that the reaction that he is producing is cold fusion.


Holmlid is a smart guy, it is hard to understand how he could not
understand the difference between hot and cold fusion. Could Holmlid be
doing the same thing that R. Mills has done, to deny that his research
is based on LENR to get people to take him seriously. Does he want to
get the scientific community to swallow the hook so that he can reel
them in? Once they are flopping around on the dock, he will tell them
that they are seeing cold fusion. 

One of those hot fusion developers
will eventually ask how Holmlid is not dead from high energy neutron
exposure and gamma radiation, What will Holmlid say then? He cannot hide
reality from the world forever.  

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 3:45 AM, Blaze
Spinnaker 
wrote:

http://www.chem.info/news/2015/09/scientists-closing-small-scale-nuclear-fusion
[5]

http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/karnkraft/article3933699.ece
[6] 

Too bad Mats didn't get to write that :(  


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[6]
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