Michele Comitini wrote:
As I have said here, flow meters tend to be a pain in the butt.
A water tank where to put outgoing water and get volume by measuring
height. I don't think he would have
many more problems with mass/volume water in liquid phase than he has
with steam...
At high power
2011/7/29 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
As I have said here, flow meters tend to be a pain in the butt.
You need a flow meter to do this right. In the 18-hour test they reportedly
did use a flow meter. I asked them what make and model. They never responded
so I did not include this
Michele Comitini wrote:
You need a flow meter to do this right. In the 18-hour test they reportedly
did use a flow meter. I asked them what make and model. They never responded
so I did not include this detail in my description.
Flow meters have to be reliable: don't we all trust the gas pump?
On Jul 29, 2011 12:29 AM, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com
wrote:
As I said, my feeling is that he prefers steam because it proves the
thing
works at high temperature. Also, it is a little more convenient to work
with. The flow of water is lower and you can use a weight scale
The difference between 4.4KW and 0.8KW was not visual, the former didn't
seem to put much more steam. The difference was more in the intervals
between bubbling noises. They seem to scale inversely linearly with the
power.
Simplest way to do convincing demonstration is to recycle large enough
volume of water, so that inlet water is pumped from the water tank and
outlet will lead back to the same tank. Then it needs only to observe rising
temperature. If Rossi wants to do really convincing demonstration he would
Michele Comitini wrote:
As we here see how trivial it is to setup absolutely convincing
demonstration, then we have only one option left that Rossi does not want to
do such thing! At least not before October.
The question here is *WHY* he would not want to make such experiment?
Rossi has
One interesting new electric E-Cat replication. This really puts final mark
for steam depate, altough I still wait for modification where cooling water
is continuously pumped. And steam temperature measured. Also it is good to
see how much higher level Swedish discussion goes. Instead of plain and
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
One interesting new electric E-Cat replication. This really puts final mark
for steam depate, altough I still wait for modification where cooling water
is continuously pumped. And steam temperature measured. Also it is good to
see how much higher
This is a qualitative test, actually cannot be used for an analysis or
judgment.
The enthalpy of the steam has to be measured continuously
mixing the steam with a known flow of cold water and measuring the
temperature of the mixture. Simple like ...that.
Peter
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:37 PM,
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
This is a qualitative test, actually cannot be used for an analysis or
judgment.
The enthalpy of the steam has to be measured continuously
mixing the steam with a known flow of cold water and measuring the
temperature of the mixture. Simple like
Yes, better and even simpler- but from some reasons (temperature difference,
control) Rossi prefers steam.
Peter
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
This is a qualitative test, actually cannot be used for an
On Jul 28, 2011 6:07 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, better and even simpler- but from some reasons (temperature
difference, control) Rossi prefers steam.
For me Rossi's choice does make perfect sense, because purpose of these
steam generators is not to produce warm water,
Dear Jouni,
Low pressure steam is not good for its main potential use- to generate
electricity.
Ill willed people have said that he prefers steam because
it is similar to smoke or fog. But this is ordinary calumny.
Peter
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Jouni Valkonen
Peter,
producing low pressure steam is not the point, but to produce high pressure
steam when E-Cats are scaled up and connected in serial and paraller for 1MW
plant. It is claimed by Defkalion that E-Cat is able to produce 414°C steam
in high pressure. This is what scaling up means here.
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
producing low pressure steam is not the point, but to produce high pressure
steam when E-Cats are scaled up and connected in serial and paraller for 1MW
plant.
I am pretty sure Rossi said the 1 MW reactor is for hot water. I have no
idea what they
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
Low pressure steam is not good for its main potential use- to generate
electricity.
As I said, low temperature process steam is very useful for many
applications. But I think the point that Rossi is trying make is this:
'Here is steam at 100°C. If I
The issue is why Rossi prefers steam, when for demonstrating the potential
of the E-cat- simply heating water is straigtforward.
Peter
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
Low pressure steam is not good for its
Peter Gluck wrote:
The issue is why Rossi prefers steam, when for demonstrating the
potential of the E-cat- simply heating water is straigtforward.
As I said, my feeling is that he prefers steam because it proves the
thing works at high temperature. Also, it is a little more convenient to
As I said, my feeling is that he prefers steam because it proves the thing
works at high temperature. Also, it is a little more convenient to work
with. The flow of water is lower and you can use a weight scale instead of a
flow meter. As I have said here, flow meters tend to be a pain in the
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
A skeptic doesn't need excuses.
They have the Magic Right-as-Rain Protective Shield?
Someone who makes a claim and is challenged may need an excuse. The skeptic
is not the one making a claim.
The problem
Hello
I am quite surprised that Essén and Kullander made few big blunders
while performing experiment:
Experimental test of a mini-Rossi device at the Leonardocorp, Bologna
29 March 2011.
One interesting conspiracy theory hole is that in all demonstrations
(January, March and May) total excess energy production was roughly 22
MJ, what is energy contained in 170 g of hydrogen. This kind of
coincidence could be easily interpreted that there is somewhere small
hidden hydrogen bottle
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.comwrote:
Due to these blunders, their measurements were meaningless.
Probably true.
However,
there is one useful information in that March experiment, what has
been ignored. They observed that E-Cat heated water for
At 06:07 PM 7/20/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
One interesting conspiracy theory hole is that in all demonstrations
(January, March and May) total excess energy production was roughly 22
MJ, what is energy contained in 170 g of hydrogen. This kind of
coincidence could be easily interpreted that
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
The demand for self-powered operation is a classic pseudo-skeptical excuse,
that's not necessary for an independent test, where input power can be
nailed down accurately, and simply complicates the device.
A
At 07:17 PM 7/20/2011, Joshua Cude wrote:
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
The demand for self-powered operation is a classic pseudo-skeptical
excuse, that's not necessary for an independent test, where input
power
I re-watched Krivit's video and got confirmation for this
interpretation. Temperature anomaly was there just 100.1°C and steam
production only fraction of Lewan's E-Cat. Therefore we can estimate
that Krivit's E-Cat produced, while video was filmed, something like
1000W±200W total power.
So, here
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