Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-21 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/21/2011 01:37 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: > > Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > > >>On 01/20/2011 01:29 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: > >>Would weighing the entire apparatus before and after reveal > >>a concealed chemical reaction? > > > > > >I don't think so. The sort of reaction proposed here replac

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-20 Thread Harry Veeder
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > >>On 01/20/2011 01:29 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: >>Would weighing the entire apparatus before and after reveal >>a concealed >>chemical reaction? > > >I don't think so. The sort of reaction proposed here replaces >the reactants >with solid "ash", which remains on th

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-20 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:31:38 -0500: Hi, [snip] >But we knew all along there has to be a control factor >somewhere, because the reaction manifestly does turn on, turn up, and turn >off, sometimes quickly. It must be responding to some stimulus. [snip] According to

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > That was in previous tests, not in this particular one-hour > > run. I do not know whether Levi et al. observed any long-duration > > runs, but other people have. > > In that case, the "public demonstration" on Jan 14 was unnecessary -- > right? Au contraire, it wa

RE: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-20 Thread Mark Iverson
Stephen wrote: "In the latter case, one can assume there will be delays and unexpected problems with continuing to create the effect on demand a few months down the road..." I think that is what happened with his grant with the DOD... perhap's Jones might know more about this, but I started read

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-20 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/20/2011 04:58 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > >> Is Rossi honest? >> >> If he is, it's for real. > > As of Friday, Jan. 14, this question no longer hangs on Rossi's > honesty. Thank goodness! No, that's not correct. The test on Jan 14 could have been rigged with a c

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Is Rossi honest? If he is, it's for real. As of Friday, Jan. 14, this question no longer hangs on Rossi's honesty. Thank goodness! If he isn't, then a "chemical scam", using thermite or some other high-energy-density fuel, hasn't been ruled out. Furthermore, i

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-20 Thread mixent
In reply to Rich Murray's message of Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:48:32 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Rossi on his blog explains that the heat output during the demo came >from the nuclear reaction of several picograms of Ni -- about 3 X >10E-12 gm ... a millionth of a microgram, while the mass of the >nuclear reacti

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-20 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/20/2011 03:44 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > >> Erm -- "Rossi", not "Rossi and Focardi". I haven't read anything indicating >> Focardi knows what the "secret ingredient" is -- as far as I know, only >> Rossi knows. >> >

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-20 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > Erm -- "Rossi", not "Rossi and Focardi".  I haven't read anything indicating > Focardi knows what the "secret ingredient" is -- as far as I know, only > Rossi knows. Focardi stated that he indeed did not know the nature of the cataly

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-20 Thread Peter Gluck
mponents from other > suppliers. > > -- > *From:* Stephen A. Lawrence > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Sent:* Thu, January 20, 2011 10:37:28 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents > > > > On 01/20/2011 09:57 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-20 Thread noone noone
He admits on his website that they have not tried components from other suppliers. From: Stephen A. Lawrence To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 10:37:28 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents On 01/20/2011 09:57 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-20 Thread noone noone
I found this comment. Dear Pierre, Thank you for your important questions, here are the answers: 1- the Ni powder I utilized were pure Ni, no copper . At the end of the operations in the reactor the percentage of copper was integrally bound to the amount of energy produced. A charge which has wo

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-20 Thread Roarty, Francis X
And to further complicate the analysis keep in mind Mill's reference to "ashless chemistry". -Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:sa...@pobox.com] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:04 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Krivit rele

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-20 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/20/2011 10:48 AM, Rich Murray wrote: > Rossi on his blog explains that the heat output during the demo came > from the nuclear reaction of several picograms of Ni -- about 3 X > 10E-12 gm ... a millionth of a microgram, while the mass of the > nuclear reacting H would be 1 atom of H for eac

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-20 Thread Rich Murray
Rossi on his blog explains that the heat output during the demo came from the nuclear reaction of several picograms of Ni -- about 3 X 10E-12 gm ... a millionth of a microgram, while the mass of the nuclear reacting H would be 1 atom of H for each atom of Ni reacting, with the most common isotope b

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-20 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/20/2011 09:57 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > Playing devil's advocate in situations like this serve a useful > purpose. Honoring our skeptical bones hopefully help keep our feet > firmly planted on the ground, particularly when our wings would love > to start flapping right now!

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-20 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Playing devil's advocate in situations like this serve a useful purpose. Honoring our skeptical bones hopefully help keep our feet firmly planted on the ground, particularly when our wings would love to start flapping right now! ...to soar into the stratosphere is everyone's dream. Nevertheless,

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-20 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
to allow it. If the reactor has, indeed, been inspected by someone other than Rossi, before and after the run, that would be very good to know! > > Harry > > > *From:* Stephen A. Lawrence > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Sent:* Wed, January 19, 2011 11:35:12 PM >

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-19 Thread Harry Veeder
Would weighing the entire apparatus before and after reveal a concealed chemical reaction? Harry > >From: Stephen A. Lawrence >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 11:35:12 PM >Subject: Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents > > > >On 01/19/2011 05:37 PM, Jed Roth

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-19 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/19/2011 05:37 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > It is already clear that he [Rossi] had no means of faking the experiment. Some time in the last couple days, you asked me for a scenario under which Rossi could have faked it without the cooperation of anybody else present, and I came up dry bu

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: > * > http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/01/19/rossi-and-focardi-lenr-device-probably-real-with-credit-to-piantelli/ > * > > But he is still giving the most credit

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-19 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Jones, I have no problems with the masculinity of the name Andrea, I am very fond of opera music and Andrea Chenier by U. Giordano is one opera I like much. To be sincere I absolutely do not care if somebody is a PhD or not. Do you know Cipolla's Laws of Stupidity? One of these laws says "stu

RE: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-19 Thread Mark Iverson
s) do not give solutions." He's referring to theoretical solutions... they were apparently very helpful for the experimental work. -Mark _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 7:40 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]

RE: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-19 Thread Jones Beene
Peter, As a humorous note, in an ethnocentric kind of way, you can probably appreciate this comment. The name Dr Andrea Rossi, has been around for some time in thermoelectrics, but prior to recently I had been under the impression that this person was a woman, since that name in the USA is

RE: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-19 Thread Jones Beene
a matter of fact. Jones From: Peter Gluck Subject: Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents Dear Jones, Have you read my answer to Ed Storms' message you have cited here? I do not agree with him regarding the main points. The things are always much more complicated than they seem to be.

Re: [Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-19 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Jones, Have you read my answer to Ed Storms's message you have cited here? I do not agree with him regarding the main points. The things are always much more complicated than they seem to be. Re your point 1) what do you know about this nano-Ni work- what when was accomplished? Do you know

[Vo]:Krivit relents

2011-01-19 Thread Jones Beene
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/01/19/rossi-and-focardi-lenr-device-prob ably-real-with-credit-to-piantelli/ But he is still giving the most credit to Piantelli, when probably that is completely wrong, and the three things which led to this breakthrough were (in order of importance): 1)