Re: [Vo]:Neuglu confirmed
The Proton Radius Problem and the Muon. http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/08/researchers-orbit-a-muon-around-an-atom-confirm-physics-is-broken/ Very interesting article on Ars Technica with possible far-reaching implications for LENR researchers. These discrepancies from standard model predictions in nuclei charge radii when muons orbit them fit in nicely with both the unexpected muon anomalous magnetic moment and my theory of LENR involving electron based spin waves as a source for the fifth force of nature. The "muon anomalous magnetic moment" is caused by increased magnetic drag from the increased magnetic influence of virtual particle creation around the rotating muon. Virtual particle induced magnetism produces a marked increase in precession in the muons magnetic moment more than the standard model predicts. The Standard model based particle zoo that the standard model would expect to be instantiated by vacuum particle creation defines the magnetic effects of the vacuum on the magnetic moment of the muon. That is, there are more types of particles popping in and out of the vacuum than the Standard model has discovered so far. Researchers have just discovered a possible new force carrying particle(boson) whose creation as a virtual particle in the vacuum would explain why the muon is precessing so much more than the Standard Model predicts. The increase in the magnetic moment of the muon over what the standard model expects would explain the reduced charge radius of the nuclei that the muon orbits. If this new magnetically charged boson causes increase precession in the magnetic moment of the muon then symmetry would predict that electron precession would generate this new boson and/or increase it power level. There is much RF coming from LENR reactors so LENR is marked by lots of electron precession which would produce lots of this new fifth force carrying bosons. The coupling constant of this new fifth force might cause the other forces to converge to unification (the GUT theory of LENR) more readily than the Standard Model now predicts and this increased force screening of the strong and weak forces would produce all the effects that we now see in LENR. On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 1:42 AM, Axil Axilwrote: > A force carrier that is do light should have a very long range, This I do > not understand. I can;t help that this protophobic gauge boson is really a > coherent quasiparticle of a collection or bundle of photons or the like > that has a short lifetime. > > Why can it explain the muon anomalous magnetic moment? Is it magnetic > nature? anyone??? > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > >> In answer to an offline question about testing or falsifying this 5th >> force hypothesis without the expense of heavy isotopes of palladium – one >> option >> comes to mind just now. >> >> Remember the “bubble fusion” experiment of Rusi Taleyarkhan? He was >> vindicated in his use of the very heavy element Californium as an >> accelerant for fusion (it’s been a long time but his name is still in my >> spell-checker, along with bremsstrahlung J >> >> Well – the heavier and more neutron rich the element used, the more >> likely it would be to have a surplus of neuglu bosons – at least as I >> understand it. Californium would not decay fast enough to help on its own >> in terms of anomalous energy – but it could supply a steady source of >> neuglu to fuse deuterons in other ways - which would then provide the >> thermal gain in many types of experiments including electrolysis and >> Arata-type. >> >> In fact, Rusi used an amount so tiny it should not have mattered, expect >> to his jealous peers. Yet the Cf was beneficial – and the reason could and >> probably did relate to neuglu. Cf is not cheap or available however. >> >> As Bob Cook implied from a recent IE article – there could be some of >> the same magic with U, a bit lighter … but if cost is important - by >> far the most economical thing to do for a potential neuglu source is to >> cannibalize a few smoke detectors for the Americium. There are vids on >> YouTube to show you how to remove handle the stuff. >> >> But even in micrograms, this is risky business and I am not advocating >> it. >> > >
Re: [Vo]:Neuglu confirmed
A force carrier that is do light should have a very long range, This I do not understand. I can;t help that this protophobic gauge boson is really a coherent quasiparticle of a collection or bundle of photons or the like that has a short lifetime. Why can it explain the muon anomalous magnetic moment? Is it magnetic nature? anyone??? On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Jones Beenewrote: > In answer to an offline question about testing or falsifying this 5th > force hypothesis without the expense of heavy isotopes of palladium – one > option > comes to mind just now. > > Remember the “bubble fusion” experiment of Rusi Taleyarkhan? He was > vindicated in his use of the very heavy element Californium as an > accelerant for fusion (it’s been a long time but his name is still in my > spell-checker, along with bremsstrahlung J > > Well – the heavier and more neutron rich the element used, the more > likely it would be to have a surplus of neuglu bosons – at least as I > understand it. Californium would not decay fast enough to help on its own > in terms of anomalous energy – but it could supply a steady source of > neuglu to fuse deuterons in other ways - which would then provide the > thermal gain in many types of experiments including electrolysis and > Arata-type. > > In fact, Rusi used an amount so tiny it should not have mattered, expect > to his jealous peers. Yet the Cf was beneficial – and the reason could and > probably did relate to neuglu. Cf is not cheap or available however. > > As Bob Cook implied from a recent IE article – there could be some of the > same magic with U, a bit lighter … but if cost is important - by far the > most economical thing to do for a potential neuglu source is to > cannibalize a few smoke detectors for the Americium. There are vids on > YouTube to show you how to remove handle the stuff. > > But even in micrograms, this is risky business and I am not advocating it. >
Re: [Vo]:Neuglu confirmed
>From what I read of the paper, it's a very short range force; perhaps 12fm but the signal seen was at 6.8 sigma, The paper is located here: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1604.07411v1.pdf Interesting read. Where this becomes relevant is in the electron screening that metals provide in Pd(D). Maybe Ni(H) and as Jones point's out, how D+D->He4 goes to heat without gamma, neutrons or a signature of a 24MeV radiation signature. It's a good hand-waving argument Jones. On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Jones Beenewrote: > In answer to an offline question about testing or falsifying this 5th > force hypothesis without the expense of heavy isotopes of palladium – one > option > comes to mind just now. > > Remember the “bubble fusion” experiment of Rusi Taleyarkhan? He was > vindicated in his use of the very heavy element Californium as an > accelerant for fusion (it’s been a long time but his name is still in my > spell-checker, along with bremsstrahlung J > > Well – the heavier and more neutron rich the element used, the more > likely it would be to have a surplus of neuglu bosons – at least as I > understand it. Californium would not decay fast enough to help on its own > in terms of anomalous energy – but it could supply a steady source of > neuglu to fuse deuterons in other ways - which would then provide the > thermal gain in many types of experiments including electrolysis and > Arata-type. > > In fact, Rusi used an amount so tiny it should not have mattered, expect > to his jealous peers. Yet the Cf was beneficial – and the reason could and > probably did relate to neuglu. Cf is not cheap or available however. > > As Bob Cook implied from a recent IE article – there could be some of the > same magic with U, a bit lighter … but if cost is important - by far the > most economical thing to do for a potential neuglu source is to > cannibalize a few smoke detectors for the Americium. There are vids on > YouTube to show you how to remove handle the stuff. > > But even in micrograms, this is risky business and I am not advocating it. >
RE: [Vo]:Neuglu confirmed
In answer to an offline question about testing or falsifying this 5th force hypothesis without the expense of heavy isotopes of palladium – one option comes to mind just now. Remember the “bubble fusion” experiment of Rusi Taleyarkhan? He was vindicated in his use of the very heavy element Californium as an accelerant for fusion (it’s been a long time but his name is still in my spell-checker, along with bremsstrahlung :-) Well – the heavier and more neutron rich the element used, the more likely it would be to have a surplus of neuglu bosons – at least as I understand it. Californium would not decay fast enough to help on its own in terms of anomalous energy – but it could supply a steady source of neuglu to fuse deuterons in other ways - which would then provide the thermal gain in many types of experiments including electrolysis and Arata-type. In fact, Rusi used an amount so tiny it should not have mattered, expect to his jealous peers. Yet the Cf was beneficial – and the reason could and probably did relate to neuglu. Cf is not cheap or available however. As Bob Cook implied from a recent IE article – there could be some of the same magic with U, a bit lighter … but if cost is important - by far the most economical thing to do for a potential neuglu source is to cannibalize a few smoke detectors for the Americium. There are vids on YouTube to show you how to remove handle the stuff. But even in micrograms, this is risky business and I am not advocating it.
RE: [Vo]:Neuglu confirmed
Another point to toss into the mix, CB --- the strong force operates at two distinct geometries, which could mean that it is essentially bifurcated and overlapping to begin with, such that one of the two can become the 5th force. On a size-scale of a few femtometers, the strong force binds protons and neutrons together. But on a smaller scale there is a different version or subset (carried by gluons) that holds quarks together. It is the second scale which may be related to neuglu. This force has been called the “color force”. Both categories of strong force can inherently produce new massive particles instead of gamma rays when disturbed. For instance the muon chain seen by Holmlid supplants gamma radiation when the color force is involved. It is possible that neuglu is the merger of the color force combined with something “from” the weak force (meaning the W or Z). From: CB Sites Jones, I really like your idea. I instantly thought the same thing when I read the article about the 5 force. It certainly is better than some published theories I've read on LENR. From: Bob Cook …How do you explain the transfer of the excess energy to the metal lattice as heat ? Ø Hagelstein’s theory for phonon transfer keeps improving over the years. In his theory, the less energy which needs to be shed in the first few downshifts, the more likely the modality becomes since the spread between frequencies becomes manageable… and starting with about 1/3 the starting energy of normal D+D -- due to retro-causality, perhaps the neuglu hypothesis provides a better fit for Hagelstein…
Re: [Vo]:Neuglu confirmed
You people should care. This is more spectacular than cold fusion. There are a lot of odd behavior to be expected at non linear physics. This is not the case.
Re: [Vo]:Neuglu confirmed
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Bob Cookwrote: > How does your model handle conservation of angular momentum---the poor > neglected parameter in many models focusing on energy conservation? > Angular momentum may be poor and neglected -- but it remains a fundamental property of energy-matter.
Re: [Vo]:Neuglu confirmed
Jones, I really like your idea. I instantly thought the same thing when I read the article about the 5 force. It certainly is better than some published theories I've read on LENR. On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Jones Beenewrote: > *From:* Bob Cook > > > > How do you explain the transfer of the excess energy to the metal lattice > as heat ? > > > > > > Hagelstein’s theory for phonon transfer keeps improving over the years. In > his theory, the less energy which needs to be shed in the first few > downshifts, the more likely the modality becomes since the spread between > frequencies becomes manageable… and starting with about 1/3 the starting > energy of normal D+D -- due to retro-causality, perhaps the neuglu > hypothesis provides a better fit for Hagelstein… > > >
RE: [Vo]:Neuglu confirmed
From: Bob Cook How do you explain the transfer of the excess energy to the metal lattice as heat ? Hagelstein's theory for phonon transfer keeps improving over the years. In his theory, the less energy which needs to be shed in the first few downshifts, the more likely the modality becomes since the spread between frequencies becomes manageable. and starting with about 1/3 the starting energy of normal D+D -- due to retro-causality, perhaps the neuglu hypothesis provides a better fit for Hagelstein.
Re: [Vo]:Neuglu confirmed
Jones-- How do you explain the transfer of the excess energy to the metal lattice as heat ? The lattice vibrations you talk about (phonons) I believe are associated with orbital spin states of the lattice electrons and hence the associated angular momentum. How does your model handle conservation of angular momentum---the poor neglected parameter in many models focusing on energy conservation? Bob Cook From: Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 11:52 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Neuglu confirmed To summarize a formative hypothesis of the modality of a 5th force boson (labeled "neuglu") as the necessary component of Pd-D fusion, here is a summary ... The neuglu boson would be attracted to down quarks and equally repelled by up quarks, so that it will have net binding force for neutrons but repel protons. Neutron - 1 up quark, 2 down quarks; Proton - 2 up quarks, 1 down quark. This property would indicate that neuglu is related to the W and Z bosons. In the interstices of the palladium lattice which has absorbed deuterons to an active ratio near 1:1, a heavier (neutron rich) isotope such as Pd-110 would release the neuglu boson as a natural response to deuteron loading. This requires borrowed energy. 4He, as the ash of a depleted fusion reaction, would derive from a two-step process in which neuglu plays a vital role by creating an initial binding state. The final fusion reaction does not produce gamma radiation since most of the mass-deficit has been used up in advance (quantum borrowing) in the process of removing the neuglu from the host. Time reversed reactions are characteristic of quantum mechanics (retrocausality). In the first stage with a loaded metal matrix, the neuglu boson begins the reaction by binding the two terminal neutrons of two separated deuterons. Following that initial binding, a second stage follows where the bound deuterons are further compressed into 4He. This can be due to fluctuations in the internal pressurization of the metal matrix caused by vibration and in particular - by anharmonic lattice oscillation. Since the neuglu is lost to the host metal, its mass energy is deducted in the final energy balance. In terms of energy balance, this situation works out according to observation, since the mass deficit of helium following deuterium fusion would normally be 24 MeV from which the mass-energy equivalent of neuglu is deducted, estimated to be about 17 MeV. The pressurization energy of the second stage, due to phonon anharmonic vibration, somewhat in the manner of Hagelstein's theory, would balance the books without a gamma, which is easier to justify in the depleted state. The hypothesis is falsifiable via loading of deuterium in palladium which is enriched in the heavy isotope Pd-110 to be compared against a matrix which is depleted in 110. A simple Arata-style pressure experiment should be sufficient for confirmation of greater excess heat in the heavier enrichment. Eventually the heavier isotope may become depleted in neuglu - which would help to explain why there has been inconsistency in results.
RE: [Vo]:Neuglu confirmed
To summarize a formative hypothesis of the modality of a 5th force boson (labeled "neuglu") as the necessary component of Pd-D fusion, here is a summary . The neuglu boson would be attracted to down quarks and equally repelled by up quarks, so that it will have net binding force for neutrons but repel protons. Neutron - 1 up quark, 2 down quarks; Proton - 2 up quarks, 1 down quark. This property would indicate that neuglu is related to the W and Z bosons. In the interstices of the palladium lattice which has absorbed deuterons to an active ratio near 1:1, a heavier (neutron rich) isotope such as Pd-110 would release the neuglu boson as a natural response to deuteron loading. This requires borrowed energy. 4He, as the ash of a depleted fusion reaction, would derive from a two-step process in which neuglu plays a vital role by creating an initial binding state. The final fusion reaction does not produce gamma radiation since most of the mass-deficit has been used up in advance (quantum borrowing) in the process of removing the neuglu from the host. Time reversed reactions are characteristic of quantum mechanics (retrocausality). In the first stage with a loaded metal matrix, the neuglu boson begins the reaction by binding the two terminal neutrons of two separated deuterons. Following that initial binding, a second stage follows where the bound deuterons are further compressed into 4He. This can be due to fluctuations in the internal pressurization of the metal matrix caused by vibration and in particular - by anharmonic lattice oscillation. Since the neuglu is lost to the host metal, its mass energy is deducted in the final energy balance. In terms of energy balance, this situation works out according to observation, since the mass deficit of helium following deuterium fusion would normally be 24 MeV from which the mass-energy equivalent of neuglu is deducted, estimated to be about 17 MeV. The pressurization energy of the second stage, due to phonon anharmonic vibration, somewhat in the manner of Hagelstein's theory, would balance the books without a gamma, which is easier to justify in the depleted state. The hypothesis is falsifiable via loading of deuterium in palladium which is enriched in the heavy isotope Pd-110 to be compared against a matrix which is depleted in 110. A simple Arata-style pressure experiment should be sufficient for confirmation of greater excess heat in the heavier enrichment. Eventually the heavier isotope may become depleted in neuglu - which would help to explain why there has been inconsistency in results.
Re: [Vo]:Neuglu confirmed
This is not a confirmation. Wait for more independent tests. There might be an error in the set up.
RE: [Vo]:Neuglu confirmed
Another possibility. to clarify the possible relevance of neuglu in the LENR system, for those who believe that real 4He is found in the ash is that helium derives from a two-step process. The reaction does not produce gamma radiation since the mass-deficit has actually been used up in the process of removing (borrowing) the neuglu from the host. In the first stage, which happens in the metal matrix, neuglu binds together two neutrons of two separated deuterons, which are then further compressed into 4He due to fluctuations in the internal pressurization of the metal matrix. Since the neuglu is lost to the host metal (e.g. palladium) its mass energy is deducted. This works out pretty well since the mass deficit of helium following deuterium fusion is 24 MeV and the mass-energy equivalent for neuglu is estimated to be about 15-17 MeV. This pressurization energy of the second stage would balance the books without a gamma. That complication is admittedly nothing more than a rationalization for now. but it is quite elegant in its own way.
Re: [Vo]:Neuglu confirmed
Jones-- I think Arnold Gulko also discusses the binding force of 2 neutrons in U-238--see the current issue of infinite energy. Bob Cook From: Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 7:51 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Neuglu confirmed Yesterday, it was announced than another group had tentatively confirmed the existence of a so-called fifth (or sixth) force. https://news.uci.edu/research/uci-physicists-confirm-possible-discovery-of-fifth-force-of-nature/ [https://news.uci.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/hubble_friday_05132016.jpg]<https://news.uci.edu/research/uci-physicists-confirm-possible-discovery-of-fifth-force-of-nature/> UCI News - UCI physicists confirm possible discovery of fifth force of nature<https://news.uci.edu/research/uci-physicists-confirm-possible-discovery-of-fifth-force-of-nature/> news.uci.edu Light particle could be key to understanding dark matter in universe When we discussed this discovery back in May on Vortex - following the initial announcement, this new bosonic force (or particle) was semi-humorously labeled as "Neuglu" since it binds neutrons and repels protons, kind of like a quark-selective gluon; plus - there already was a claimant a fifth force designation, so this one needed a name. Hamdi Ucar mentioned a paper which could add another level of understanding to a magnetically-mediated force which falls between the two stronger nuclear forces: "Derivation of strong and weak forces from magnetic interactions in quantum electrodynamics (QED)" by Barut (paywalled). But the big deal for LENR, almost unmentioned by any other group at the time is that a putative fifth force (as characterized by neuglu), which acts only between neutrons -- would be able to bind 2 deuterons within in a metal matrix, and would bind at a distance *without nuclear fusion* into an agglomerations of predictable mass (4,6,8 etc) which mimics helium in the case of mass-4 (if the binding is strong enough) and provides plenty of excess energy on decay without gammas (like cold fusion) and does not work with protium. Thus neuglu can fully explain LENR for those who do not accept the claim that real 4He was seen in the prior testing of the ash of cold fusion. The mass-energy of neuglu is about 10 million times greater than chemical energy. Thus, everything fits ... except an understanding of how to engineer a neuglu formative process, such as in electrolysis. It is conceivable that a few neutron-rich isotopes naturally operate like tiny factories for neuglu. Candidate isotopes for producing the neuglu boson include Pd-110 and Ni-64. If this happens only in column 10 of the periodic table, where these isotopes have their outermost electrons only in d-orbitals with no p-orbital electrons, then platinum-198 would be another predicted isotope (speculation but testable) which would be a strong candidate for LENR (but because of high cost has not been singled out heretofore). The best way to falsify or confirm this prediction, and also the validity of a neuglu modality - would be to obtain palladium which is enriched in 110 and compare against a matrix which is depleted 110. A simple Arata-style pressure test should be sufficient for confirmation. The platinum alternative would also work if cost is not problem. Jones
RE: [Vo]:Neuglu confirmed
Bzzzt.No chance this explains our observed 4He production as our mass resolution was way better than needed for such determination, and of course there is that pesky 3He that shows up as well. Although the shrunken deuterium molecules might be a precursor for some interesting modalities. Great tidbit! By the way there is some curious isotopic data confirming the utility of mass 110. From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 7:51 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Neuglu confirmed Yesterday, it was announced than another group had tentatively confirmed the existence of a so-called fifth (or sixth) force. <https://news.uci.edu/research/uci-physicists-confirm-possible-discovery-of- fifth-force-of-nature/> https://news.uci.edu/research/uci-physicists-confirm-possible-discovery-of-f ifth-force-of-nature/ When we discussed this discovery back in May on Vortex - following the initial announcement, this new bosonic force (or particle) was semi-humorously labeled as "Neuglu" since it binds neutrons and repels protons, kind of like a quark-selective gluon; plus - there already was a claimant a fifth force designation, so this one needed a name. Hamdi Ucar mentioned a paper which could add another level of understanding to a magnetically-mediated force which falls between the two stronger nuclear forces: "Derivation of strong and weak forces from magnetic interactions in quantum electrodynamics (QED)" by Barut (paywalled). But the big deal for LENR, almost unmentioned by any other group at the time is that a putative fifth force (as characterized by neuglu), which acts only between neutrons -- would be able to bind 2 deuterons within in a metal matrix, and would bind at a distance *without nuclear fusion* into an agglomerations of predictable mass (4,6,8 etc) which mimics helium in the case of mass-4 (if the binding is strong enough) and provides plenty of excess energy on decay without gammas (like cold fusion) and does not work with protium. Thus neuglu can fully explain LENR for those who do not accept the claim that real 4He was seen in the prior testing of the ash of cold fusion. The mass-energy of neuglu is about 10 million times greater than chemical energy. Thus, everything fits . except an understanding of how to engineer a neuglu formative process, such as in electrolysis. It is conceivable that a few neutron-rich isotopes naturally operate like tiny factories for neuglu. Candidate isotopes for producing the neuglu boson include Pd-110 and Ni-64. If this happens only in column 10 of the periodic table, where these isotopes have their outermost electrons only in d-orbitals with no p-orbital electrons, then platinum-198 would be another predicted isotope (speculation but testable) which would be a strong candidate for LENR (but because of high cost has not been singled out heretofore). The best way to falsify or confirm this prediction, and also the validity of a neuglu modality - would be to obtain palladium which is enriched in 110 and compare against a matrix which is depleted 110. A simple Arata-style pressure test should be sufficient for confirmation. The platinum alternative would also work if cost is not problem. Jones
[Vo]:Neuglu confirmed
Yesterday, it was announced than another group had tentatively confirmed the existence of a so-called fifth (or sixth) force. https://news.uci.edu/research/uci-physicists-confirm-possible-discovery-of-f ifth-force-of-nature/ When we discussed this discovery back in May on Vortex - following the initial announcement, this new bosonic force (or particle) was semi-humorously labeled as "Neuglu" since it binds neutrons and repels protons, kind of like a quark-selective gluon; plus - there already was a claimant a fifth force designation, so this one needed a name. Hamdi Ucar mentioned a paper which could add another level of understanding to a magnetically-mediated force which falls between the two stronger nuclear forces: "Derivation of strong and weak forces from magnetic interactions in quantum electrodynamics (QED)" by Barut (paywalled). But the big deal for LENR, almost unmentioned by any other group at the time is that a putative fifth force (as characterized by neuglu), which acts only between neutrons -- would be able to bind 2 deuterons within in a metal matrix, and would bind at a distance *without nuclear fusion* into an agglomerations of predictable mass (4,6,8 etc) which mimics helium in the case of mass-4 (if the binding is strong enough) and provides plenty of excess energy on decay without gammas (like cold fusion) and does not work with protium. Thus neuglu can fully explain LENR for those who do not accept the claim that real 4He was seen in the prior testing of the ash of cold fusion. The mass-energy of neuglu is about 10 million times greater than chemical energy. Thus, everything fits . except an understanding of how to engineer a neuglu formative process, such as in electrolysis. It is conceivable that a few neutron-rich isotopes naturally operate like tiny factories for neuglu. Candidate isotopes for producing the neuglu boson include Pd-110 and Ni-64. If this happens only in column 10 of the periodic table, where these isotopes have their outermost electrons only in d-orbitals with no p-orbital electrons, then platinum-198 would be another predicted isotope (speculation but testable) which would be a strong candidate for LENR (but because of high cost has not been singled out heretofore). The best way to falsify or confirm this prediction, and also the validity of a neuglu modality - would be to obtain palladium which is enriched in 110 and compare against a matrix which is depleted 110. A simple Arata-style pressure test should be sufficient for confirmation. The platinum alternative would also work if cost is not problem. Jones