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As the smoke cleared, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com
mounted the barricade and roared out:
Superconductivity is achieved only at low temperatures, produced by
refigeration systems. The power necessary to maintain the refrigeration
would be
Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca wrote:
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From: mix...@bigpond.com
Date: Monday, April 27, 2009 0:57 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:45:08 -
0400:Hi,
[snip]
If you want a reliable and continous
On Apr 26, 2009, at 7:45 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
If you want a reliable and continous supply of power, solar and wind
will not give you that unless you can figure out how to store the
generated power cost effectively.
Harry
Here are some thoughts along those lines:
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If you want a reliable and continuous supply of power, solar and wind
will not give you that unless you can figure out how to store the
generated power cost effectively.
Harry
Same deal as regards to ekonomies of skale, as I alluded to --
This all sounds great, but let's see someone do it competitively on a large
scale before pinning our hopes on it.
Jeff
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From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com]
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:58 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore
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As the smoke cleared, Jeff Fink rev...@ptd.net
mounted the barricade and roared out:
Solar electric, I read, uses indium which is in short supply and isn't
even mineable. The production process releases some kind of
hexafluoride chemical that
, April 27, 2009 12:58 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
Then there are also other clean power sources that can contribute during the
night - hydro, tidal, geothermal.
In short, by utilizing an effective mix of different clean sources, a
reliable
power supply
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As the smoke cleared, Jeff Fink rev...@ptd.net
mounted the barricade and roared out:
Again, the losses involved with transmitting power halfway around the
world are overwhelming. Only Tesla or a sci fi writer can do it.
Jeff
I thought massive
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From: Jeff Fink [mailto:rev...@ptd.net]
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:32 PM
To: 'g...@resist.ca'
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
Again, the losses involved with transmitting power halfway around the world
are overwhelming. Only Tesla or a sci fi
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From: Jeff Fink [mailto:rev...@ptd.net]
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:21 PM
To: 'g...@resist.ca'
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
Solar electric, I read, uses indium which is in short supply and isn't even
mineable. The production process releases
In reply to Jeff Fink's message of Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:27:10 -0400:
Hi,
This all sounds great, but let's see someone do it competitively on a large
scale before pinning our hopes on it.
I'm not pinning my hopes on it, nor do I expect it to be competitive. I only
stated that it was possible.
In reply to Jeff Fink's message of Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:54:22 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Hydro! Are you kidding? All the good remaining sites are protected by the
Sierra Club. Even small hydro installations across the country have been
decommissioned by the dozens over the last 50 years. I remember
In reply to grok's message of Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:55:24 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
I thought massive superconducting DC cables were the way to go there.
Seriously.
[snip]
That could work, but I think we would first need another breakthrough in high
temperature superconductivity to significantly reduce the
In reply to Jeff Fink's message of Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:57:17 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Again, the losses involved with transmitting power halfway around the world
are overwhelming. Only Tesla or a sci fi writer can do it.
Jeff
[snip]
Actually it might be possible using the electrosphere, since you
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As the smoke cleared, Jeff Fink rev...@ptd.net
mounted the barricade and roared out:
That's a whole lot of expensive cooling (huge operating costs).
If we can do all of these things for a buck a KWH, I'd say we were
doing good. My electric
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As the smoke cleared, mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com
mounted the barricade and roared out:
I thought massive superconducting DC cables were the way to go there.
Seriously.
That could work, but I think we would first need another
thoughts.
Jeff
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From: leaking pen [mailto:itsat...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:47 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
The thing is, we are ALREADY doing something. If we want to do
nothing, then we cut all manmade co2
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
You and many people Jeff, miss an important issue about finding ways
to reduce CO2 emission. Yes it is expensive, but so are all changes
in technology. The expense issue is only a distraction raised by
industries
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
You and many people Jeff, miss an important issue about finding ways
to reduce CO2 emission. Yes it is expensive, but so are all changes
in technology. The expense issue is only a distraction raised by
industries that will be harmed by the new
: Saturday, April 25, 2009 1:47 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
The thing is, we are ALREADY doing something. If we want to do
nothing, then we cut all manmade co2 sources instantly. doing
SOMETHING is doing just what we are doing already.
On Sat
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Solar and wind are obviously not it for numerous reasons already posted
on this forum.
What are the main reasons, again? I'm not aware of any inherent ones,
despite claims to the contrary. For instance: AFAIC we could blanket the
Sahara with solar
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:45:08 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
If you want a reliable and continous supply of power, solar and wind
will not give you that unless you can figure out how to store the
generated power cost effectively.
[snip]
As already discussed frequently on
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From: mix...@bigpond.com
Date: Monday, April 27, 2009 0:57 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:45:08 -
0400:Hi,
[snip]
If you want a reliable and continous supply of power, solar
http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER=EN_NEWSACTION=DSESSION=RCN=30717
New research from Switzerland and the UK reveals that, somewhat
paradoxically, plants absorb more carbon dioxide (CO2) when the
atmosphere is polluted than they do under cleaner skies.
OK that is the finding. Now for the
Umm, thats been known since biosphere 2 days. They did several
experiments that showed that, but also showed that plants, especially
trees, grew taller but skinner, more knotted (bad for the logging
industry!) and that other plants grew at weird rates as well, and that
it generally caused havoc.
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As the smoke cleared, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
mounted the barricade and roared out:
So why are we waiting? Political inertia.
No, we are waiting because of capitalist vested interests -- which put
their elite interests ahead of the
]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER=EN_NEWSACTION=DSESSION=RCN=30717
New research from Switzerland and the UK reveals that, somewhat
paradoxically, plants absorb more carbon dioxide (CO2) when the
atmosphere is polluted than they do under cleaner skies.
OK
expensive. Misguided,
high priced environmental repairs could collapse an already weakened world
economy.
Jeff
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From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 12:40 PM
To: vortex
Subject: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
http
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As the smoke cleared, Jeff Fink rev...@ptd.net
mounted the barricade and roared out:
It appears from your analysis that the earth has more self regulating
capability than most experts give it credit for. Further, it seems to me
that it will be
collapse an already weakened
world
economy.
Jeff
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 12:40 PM
To: vortex
Subject: [Vo]:Not what Algore wanted to hear
http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER=EN_NEWSACTION=DSESSION=RCN=30717
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