Re: [Vo]:Notes regarding NAE construction and maintenance

2008-02-15 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 14, 2008, at 4:13 PM, Jones Beene wrote: --- Horace AFAIK - *everyone* including FF, agrees that high loading is critical. No argument there. You can't get high loading if you have surface cracks. QED The methods I have suggested relate to surface annealing and hardening. No

[Vo]:Notes regarding NAE construction and maintenance

2008-02-14 Thread Horace Heffner
It is well known that the creation of a nuclear active environment (NAE) for cold fusion in metal lattices is related to the surface and thus the surface treatment of the lattice in which the hydrogen is adsorbed, and that only specific small surface areas are typically involved in

Re: [Vo]:Notes regarding NAE construction and maintenance

2008-02-14 Thread Jones Beene
--- Horace Heffner wrote: It has long been known that cracking and loss of hydrogen fugacity reduces or eliminates the prospects for excess heat production. I am not at all sure about this being true, as a general rule. In fact, unless I am suffering grave memory loss or confusion (always a

Re: [Vo]:Notes regarding NAE construction and maintenance

2008-02-14 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 14, 2008, at 7:47 AM, Jones Beene wrote: --- Horace Heffner wrote: It has long been known that cracking and loss of hydrogen fugacity reduces or eliminates the prospects for excess heat production. I am not at all sure about this being true, as a general rule. In fact, unless I am

Re: [Vo]:Notes regarding NAE construction and maintenance

2008-02-14 Thread Jones Beene
--- Horace : Well, there is the case of fractofusion, but that is not an excess heat phenomenon and arguably not even a cold fusion phenomenon. OK - Here is some of what I was referring to, this from Frisone in Italy: Theoretical model of the probability of fusion between deuterons within

Re: [Vo]:Notes regarding NAE construction and maintenance

2008-02-14 Thread Edmund Storms
Jones, A marked difference exists in cold fusion between what the experiments tell us and what people propose to happen based on their overactive imaginations. The paper you quote is pure speculation that has no basis in reality. As Horace has correctly noted, cracks are bad. Ed Jones

Re: [Vo]:Notes regarding NAE construction and maintenance

2008-02-14 Thread Edmund Storms
Jones, The treatment given the Pd is designed to achieve a high composition. In addition, the treatment would be expected to reduce crack formation. Unfortunately, it is too bad that the studies have not included a measurement of crack formation, especially in view of my work showing the

Re: [Vo]:Notes regarding NAE construction and maintenance

2008-02-14 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 14, 2008, at 11:05 AM, Jones Beene wrote: --- Ed The paper you quote is pure speculation that has no basis in reality. I must say that the both the papers, and the visual images of FF do not convey the same sense of trust of, say, Stephen Hawking. Looks can be deceiving, however.

Re: [Vo]:Notes regarding NAE construction and maintenance

2008-02-14 Thread Jones Beene
--- Horace AFAIK - *everyone* including FF, agrees that high loading is critical. No argument there. I am not arguing that the Italian theory is correct, far from it, and I agree with Ed that without proof, it is just a hollow theory --- but I can see his main point, even if it is only

Re: [Vo]:Notes regarding NAE construction and maintenance

2008-02-14 Thread Edmund Storms
Jones Beene wrote: --- Horace AFAIK - *everyone* including FF, agrees that high loading is critical. No argument there. I am not arguing that the Italian theory is correct, far from it, and I agree with Ed that without proof, it is just a hollow theory --- but I can see his main point,