Re: RE: [Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution

2007-12-21 Thread OrionWorks
From Harry Veeder ... Today the nascent science of epigenetics is revealing how environmental pressures can influence the genome of a developing embryo. There is plenty of evidence that the phenomena of evolution is real. However, how it happened is not as clear cut as the Neo-Darwinists

Re: RE: [Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution

2007-12-21 Thread leaking pen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, December 20, 2007 1:39 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution There's a significant third player in the evolution/creationism game, and it's not intelligent design. Lateral gene transfer and high complexity in ancient lines

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution

2007-12-21 Thread thomas malloy
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: thomas malloy wrote: OrionWorks wrote: All three of us, Stanford, the Cruncher and I believe that the web of life was divinely ordered. I have previously made the case that, if the earth sun system is viewed as a closed system, then the web of life is

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution

2007-12-20 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
thomas malloy wrote: OrionWorks wrote: Thomas sez: The Cruncher's point being that there aren't enough seconds, throwing the dice once per second, over the past 15,000,000,000 years to have tried all the potential combinations. And that's just for the first genome. Stanford's point is

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution

2007-12-20 Thread OrionWorks
Thomas sez: All three of us, Stanford, the Cruncher and I believe that the web of life was divinely ordered. I have previously made the case that, if the earth sun system is viewed as a closed system, then the web of life is reversing the second law of thermodynamics. AFAIK, it is the only

RE: [Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution

2007-12-20 Thread Rick Monteverde
There's a significant third player in the evolution/creationism game, and it's not intelligent design. Lateral gene transfer and high complexity in ancient lines are probably the main clues. Here's the link, and no, it isn't a porn site: http://www.panspermia.com - R.

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution

2007-12-20 Thread Edmund Storms
OrionWorks wrote: Thomas sez: All three of us, Stanford, the Cruncher and I believe that the web of life was divinely ordered. I have previously made the case that, if the earth sun system is viewed as a closed system, then the web of life is reversing the second law of thermodynamics.

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution

2007-12-20 Thread leaking pen
ed, would you suggest that the ability to interact with this energy world is inherent with the existingly known mechanisms of the brain, through some form of 4th dimensional aspect of the brain we dont understand, or through another mechanism/organ/spirit entirely? and, your own reality is quite

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution

2007-12-20 Thread leaking pen
so, im curious, have you any expericence in actual nueral chemistry/physiology, and have you done any research into where it occurs? its where im headed, myself , after finishing my degree. On 12/20/07, Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: leaking pen wrote: ed, would you suggest that

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution

2007-12-20 Thread Edmund Storms
leaking pen wrote: so, im curious, have you any expericence in actual nueral chemistry/physiology, and have you done any research into where it occurs? its where im headed, myself , after finishing my degree. No, I have done no research in this area. I'm only an innocent bystander who

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution

2007-12-19 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
OrionWorks wrote: A recent comment from the esteemed Mr. Malloy got me to thinking... Thomas sez: I'm reading John Sanford's Genetic Entropy and The Mystery of the Genome. Dr. Sanford makes the case that most mutations are deleterious, if not fatal, to the individual. I actually

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution

2007-12-19 Thread OrionWorks
Howdy Richard, ... ...Our new crop of students are looking at the case presented by both creationist and Darwinists.. they are still looking., but not at theory.. but girls. Sounds to me like the laws of natural selection are being followed. ;-) PS: Can a guy order the equivalent of a

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution

2007-12-19 Thread thomas malloy
OrionWorks wrote: A recent comment from the esteemed Mr. Malloy got me to thinking... Thomas sez: I'm reading John Sanford's Genetic Entropy and The I'm also reading Vance Ferrell's The Evolution Cruncher, a 900 page expose on the absurdity of Evolution. So, I thinks to

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution

2007-12-19 Thread OrionWorks
Thomas sez: The Cruncher's point being that there aren't enough seconds, throwing the dice once per second, over the past 15,000,000,000 years to have tried all the potential combinations. And that's just for the first genome. Stanford's point is that the system is deteriorating, it's

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution

2007-12-19 Thread leaking pen
ohh, one more thing. i cant find the source at the moment, but i read a few years back that most women will have over a dozen miscarriages in thier lives that they wont even know about , as it never gets beyond a couple of weeks, due to deleterious mutations and combinations. On Dec 19, 2007

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution

2007-12-19 Thread Taylor J. Smith
Hi All, I recently watched Apocolypto, Mel Gibson's takeoff on Cornell Wilde's Naked Prey. Gibson shows Aztec ceremonies on a Mayan temple, capped off with the arrival of a higher civilization at the end the movie in the form of the Spaniards -- I much prefer the ending in Naked Prey.

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution

2007-12-19 Thread OrionWorks
Mr Smith sez: Hi All, I recently watched Apocolypto, Mel Gibson's takeoff on Cornell Wilde's Naked Prey. Gibson shows Aztec ceremonies on a Mayan temple, capped off with the arrival of a higher civilization at the end the movie in the form of the Spaniards -- I much prefer the ending in

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution

2007-12-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Dec 18, 2007 8:46 PM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Randomness is somehow perceived as a kind of godless evil monkey wrench suspected to have been introduced by a nefarious agent of Satin just to confuse the faithful. Satin sheets always made me feel vil. gd r Terry

[Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution

2007-12-18 Thread OrionWorks
A recent comment from the esteemed Mr. Malloy got me to thinking... Thomas sez: I'm reading John Sanford's Genetic Entropy and The Mystery of the Genome. Dr. Sanford makes the case that most mutations are deleterious, if not fatal, to the individual. He contends that the web of life won't

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution

2007-12-18 Thread R.C.Macaulay
Howdy Steven Johnson, Today's university science classes avoid the Darwin theory simply because of the lack of evidence to support it. Unless and until they find some fossil evidence that can demonstrate a valid crossover or in-between species.. it's the stuff of library coffee shop

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Mindless crap shoot of evolution

2007-12-18 Thread leaking pen
yup, not a single transitional fossil anywhere. ohh... wait whats this over here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils On Dec 18, 2007 9:37 PM, R.C.Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Steven Johnson, Today's university science classes avoid the Darwin theory