--- Robin
I think you may have negated your original argument
wrt the Arrata experiment.
Fast in this case is 23.8 MeV each (assuming 4 x D
- 2 Alpha), about as fast as it gets.
I will grant that I should have said very few
gammas rather than no gammas
With alphas at that energy, there will
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:18:07 -0700 (PDT):
Hi,
[snip]
ERGO Arrata did not detect any, and ERGO your
suggested reaction simply cannot be the operative
mechanism in his device.
[snip]
I prefer to let nature decide the issue.
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
The shrub
: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Arata's results are really astounding
In reply to Michel Jullian's message of Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:24:14 +0200:
Hi Michel,
[snip]
I seem not to have received that posting by Robin you quote, was it sent to
the list? I gather 180,000 J is 1W times
--- Michel Jullian wrote:
However it is probable that only a tiny part of the
absorbed D is consumed in the putative anomalous
reactions (in such experiments one retrieves roughly
the same amount of D2 at deloading than was put in
at loading doesn't one?), in which case nuclear type
(kind of short lived hydrinos if I understand correctly), or as in
DIESECF.
Michel
- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Arata's results are really astounding
--- Michel Jullian wrote
--- Michel Jullian wrote:
Aren't gammas a hotfusionomorphic view of fusion?
Rightly or wrongly, that is the only view of fusion
which is accepted by physics, and it can accommodate
all of LENR when properly (re)interpreted.
If you do not need to invent a new model from the
ground up, then why
Jones Beene wrote:
Only problem is he sent out dozens of samples to MRI
XPS and NMR specialists and not a single one will
independently confirm his claim.
When contacted indpendently - even Mills best
supporter has hedged. Eric Kreig, no matter what you
may think of him, has tried to verify
In reply to Michel Jullian's message of Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:03:44 +0200:
Hi,
[snip]
Robin,
(replying on-list, in case you forgot to change the address line or are unable
to get through again)
0.04g D2 is 0.04g D, and D is 2g/mol, so that should be 0.04/2 mol * 6E23
atoms/mol = 1.2 E22 atoms
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 10 Jun 2008 06:19:12 -0700 (PDT):
Hi,
[snip]
Where are the gammas then?
I see two possibilities (and I suspect Arata of adhering to the first).
1) The cluster of four deuterium atoms creates 2 alphas concurrently (or 1 Be8*
that subsequently fissions).
--- Robin:
This means two fast alphas, with equal energy, and
opposite momentum, and presumably no gammas.
On first read, that is simply impossible, Robin,
unless I am missing something. The nature of fast
alphas is to create copious gammas on interaction with
condensed matter. Unless by fast
I was disapointed in Arata's demonstration.? ? One watt of released energy is
small comparted to the chemically released energy.? There is a show on NOVA
onel ine about the development of a new hydrogen storage metal.? The amount of
heat liberated during loading is great.? A heat exchanger has
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One watt of released energy is small comparted to the chemically
released energy.
So what? The power level of the heat from impure radium is far lower
than most chemical reactions with same mass of fuel. That proves nothing.
There is a show on NOVA onel ine
I have found the exchange of opinions expressed so far educational.
Let me pose a question I don't think has been explored adequately
Does anyone here imagine it conceivable that Arata's experiment points
to a practical way of scaling up the generation of heat to commercial
and industrial
Good question, Steven. If this method is as good as claimed, it is the
best and only method I believe that can result in a commercial device.
Earlier use of palladium black by Arata showed similar behavior. Using
this material, McKubre (SRI) replicated the claimed heat production and
produced
I read somewhere in his next experiment he plans on boiling water to make a
cup of tea.
Harry
On 9/6/2008 2:37 PM, OrionWorks wrote:
I have found the exchange of opinions expressed so far educational.
Let me pose a question I don't think has been explored adequately
Does anyone here
Edmund Storms wrote:
Good question, Steven. If this method is as good as claimed, it is
the best and only method I believe that can result in a commercial
device. Earlier use of palladium black by Arata showed similar
behavior. Using this material, McKubre (SRI) replicated the claimed
heat
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
18 J / 6E21 atoms of D = 187 eV / D atom. This is way beyond ordinary
chemistry, but does fall right in the range of Mills energies.
Please note however, that they deliberately quench the reaction after
100 hours. If they did not do that, there is no telling
I wrote:
This experiment is similar to the previous experiments in many
critical ways. The fact that they were confirmed and independently
replicated is good reason to think that this experiment is also valid.
Please note I said good reason not a slam dunk. Nothing,
Nothing, NOTHING is
Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: Arata's results are really astounding
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
18 J / 6E21 atoms of D = 187 eV / D atom. This is way beyond ordinary
chemistry, but does fall right in the range of Mills energies.
Please note however, that they deliberately quench the reaction after
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