David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Yeah, but they look terrible. There is no better way to rape the mountain
ridges than to cover them with these nasty looking devices.
Oh come now. Have you seen what coal mining does to mountains?
In the future, better sources of energy will be
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:22:55 -0500 (EST):
Hi,
That's why they should be placed out at sea whenever possible. Preferably so far
out that they can't even be seen from the coast. E.g. the North Sea should be a
good place. Lots of wind, and fairly shallow in
I wrote:
It amazes me that the environmentalists are not going bananas over what
is happening.
Environmentalists know that we have to get energy from somewhere, and wind
is a heck a lot safer, cheaper and better than coal.
I find it annoying when people allow the perfect to be enemy of
Placing the wind systems in the ocean will substantially increase total cost
and maintenance.
Ron @ 408.510.2666
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From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:48 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
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Ron Clark rn.cla...@gmail.com wrote:
Placing the wind systems in the ocean will substantially increase total cost
and maintenance.
On the other hand, in most locations it greatly improves actual output. As
I recall, in Northern Europe prime land land locations produce ~30% of
nameplate, where
In reply to Jouni Valkonen's message of Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:58:34 +0200:
Hi,
[snip]
I would think that more worrisome thing about global scale wind production is
how terawatt scale wind power production affects on global climate patterns.
Some studies indicate that terawatt scale wind power
. The end result is
the same.
Dave
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From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 8:22 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rethinking wind power
In reply to Jouni Valkonen's message of Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:58:34 +0200:
Hi,
[snip]
I would
mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
...one can only hope! However the truth is that most of the energy we use
is
returned to the environment as heat, so taking it out as wind power and
putting
it back as heat would probably have very little net effect.
Two things about this are a little off:
1.
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:22 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
...one can only hope! However the truth is that most of the energy we use is
returned to the environment as heat, so taking it out as wind power and
putting
it back as heat would probably have very little net effect.
Regards,
Also,
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:11:11 -0500:
Hi Jed,
What you didn't say in so many words, and I forgot to mention, is that using
wind energy has a positive impact in as much as it reduces the amount of CO2
produced.
[snip]
mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
...one can only
and see these in the yard next door, or on what was once beautiful
mountainsides? Everything has a price.
Dave
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From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 10:34 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rethinking wind power
On Wed
I think that this is just nice to know study, but it does not put fundamental
limits for the wind power utilization. First is that with optimal scattering of
wind turbines, it is possible get significantly more watts per m². Linear rows
are the worst in efficiency, but the science of
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Can you imagine a large flock of birds traveling through a windmill farm?
Avoiding two types of collisions at the same time might overpower their
abilities.
It doesn't seem to be a problem, as far as I know. They do try to avoid
putting wind turbines
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
. . . domestic cats are killing billions of birds but this is a non-issue,
because unlike wind turbines, cats are cute! Only cat haters are using this
as an argument against domestic cats.
Cat haters and the government of New Zealand:
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
Second argument is that with advanced blades materials, such as carbon
fibers and futuristic graphene, it is possible to make rotors up to 250
meters in diameter. This can boost individual wind turbine output up to 20
MW.
When the maximum
“People have often thought there’s no upper bound for wind power—that it’s
one of the most scalable power sources,” says Harvard University applied
physicist David Keith. After all, gusts and breezes don’t seem likely to
“run out” on a global scale in the way oil wells might run dry.
Yet the
That's an interesting article. But this sentence is silly:
'It’s clear the theoretical upper limit to wind power is huge, if you
don't care about the impacts of covering the whole world with wind
turbines,' says Keith.
No one is thinking of covering the whole world with wind turbines. That
would
I wrote:
Needless to say, with present day transmission technology there would be
no point to constructing 770 GW of wind generation in North Dakota!
ND has 6 GW of summertime power generation capacity. See:
http://www.eia.gov/electricity/state/northdakota/pdf/north_dakota.pdf
I am
, and perhaps many
other problems that are now overlooked.
Dave
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From: Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:47 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Rethinking wind power
“People have often thought there’s no upper bound for wind power
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I can imagine that one day the environmental groups will begin to object
strenuously to the extreme degradation of scenery, the killing of millions
of birds . . .
Many people do complain about the degradation of the scenery. I think they
have a
I wrote:
They kill very few, I suppose because birds are evolved to avoid large
moving objects in the sky such as tree branches waving in the wind.
Also, birds avoid whacking into other birds in crowded flocks, as we
discussed here recently.
I think there was a problem with small, rapidly
: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:04 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rethinking wind power
I wrote:
They kill very few, I suppose because birds are evolved to avoid large moving
objects in the sky such as tree branches waving in the wind
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