Re: [Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus

2012-12-20 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:08 PM 12/19/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Harry Veeder mailto:hveeder...@gmail.comhveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Does this mean they did not detect any anomalous gamma or neutrons emissions? If so then it is more evidence that the Celani doesn't produce excess heat. Incorrect. Most cold fusion

Re: [Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus

2012-12-20 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:43 PM 12/19/2012, Harry Veeder wrote: STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus: http://www.22passi.it/coherence2012/coherence%2014%20dicembre%202012%20Celani%20wire.pdf On page 2 it says over a couple of charts: Neutron and gamma continuous recording in ST lab.

Re: [Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus

2012-12-20 Thread Daniel Rocha
Karabut also found signs of x-rays, before Storms announced, since 2005, presented in ICCF12: Karabut A. *Research into Energy and Temporal Characteristics of X-ray Emission from Solid State Cathode Medium of High-Current Glow Discharge*, *Proc. ICCF12* (2005),

Re: [Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus

2012-12-20 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:34 PM 12/19/2012, Harry Veeder wrote: I meant that if the excess heat is real and whatever the cause of the excess heat, the excess heat might force a limited number of transmutations and emit a small amount of gammas and neutrons. Sure, the FPHE appears to do that, but the small

Re: [Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus

2012-12-20 Thread Daniel Rocha
BTW, as someone pointed out, It seems other people have also detected x rays even earlIer. Just check the paper by Ed Storms, JCMNS, nov. 2012 2012/12/20 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com Karabut also found signs of x-rays, before Storms announced, since 2005, presented in ICCF12: Karabut

Re: [Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus

2012-12-20 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Finding X-rays from a glow discharge (plasma, basically) is one thing, finding them from a low-energy environment is quite another. This is not to denigrate the research cited. It's just not relevant to what had been mentioned, Storms finding of X-radiation *without* a glow discharge. Yes,

Re: [Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus

2012-12-20 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: We have not found LENR effects that produce much prompt radiation, or much of any radiation. That's quite an interesting observation, itself. There may be something about LENR mechanisms that suppresses unstable

[Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus

2012-12-19 Thread Harry Veeder
STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus: http://www.22passi.it/coherence2012/coherence%2014%20dicembre%202012%20Celani%20wire.pdf On page 2 it says over a couple of charts: Neutron and gamma continuous recording in ST lab. No difference for spectra during experiments

Re: [Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus

2012-12-19 Thread mixent
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:43:39 -0500: Hi, [snip] STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus: http://www.22passi.it/coherence2012/coherence%2014%20dicembre%202012%20Celani%20wire.pdf On page 2 it says over a couple of charts: Neutron and

RE: [Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus

2012-12-19 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
In the report, STM doesn't say where the neutron and gamma are measured. If neutron and/or gamma have low energy, they might be absorbed by the vessel before reaching the detector. Outside the reactor is not the best place for the detector. Regarding the input power versus temperature, it's clear

Re: [Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus

2012-12-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Does this mean they did not detect any anomalous gamma or neutrons emissions? If so then it is more evidence that the Celani doesn't produce excess heat. Incorrect. Most cold fusion devices that produce excess heat do not produce measurable gamma or

RE: [Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus

2012-12-19 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com In reply to Harry Veeder's message: Neutron and gamma continuous recording in ST lab. No difference for spectra during experiments showing extra heat and background Does this mean they did not detect any anomalous gamma or neutrons emissions?

Re: [Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus

2012-12-19 Thread ChemE Stewart
I agree. My take on it is the sun as well as the gas giants (and other planets) all produce the protons due to beta decay at the surface of their dark matter nucleus. The sun's nucleus is much more massive than the planets and thus the larger entropic gravitational flux/radiation triggering RPF

Re: [Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus

2012-12-19 Thread Harry Veeder
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Does this mean they did not detect any anomalous gamma or neutrons emissions? If so then it is more evidence that the Celani doesn't produce excess heat. Incorrect. Most