From Alexander:
yes, like 20 years ago when they were just as intricate, and we all
had gps and autocad
What??? Not true. Not according to what I've seen and read.
Crop circles have only become more intricate within the last decade or so.
Twenty years ago and prior crop circles were
Good point Steven. In fact, the incremental increase in complexity of crop
circles over time seems to roughly correspond to the increase in inexpensive
computer power and GPS etc. which is available to students.
Equally surprising and far more ironic is that the increase in inexpensive
computer
I think both Jed and Jones have expressed important concepts often
glossed over by many.
There is Jed's down-to-earth commentary regarding the fact that all
too often we have an arrogant tendency to dismiss just how incredibly
smart and perceive our own ancient indigenous population had been in
Robin sez:
So, based on this, I conclude that the galaxy is not filled with
millions of intelligent species in civilizations that have lasted for
hundreds of thousands or millions of years, and achieved much greater
wealth and stability than we have. Or if there are such
civilizations, the
Kyle Mcallister wrote:
If it was an interstellar communication and it happened to
impinge on earth . . .
If it was deliberate, yes. If not, if it was something else, or a
spurious transmission for reasons unknown, it might not remain on us
for long. The beam width would be a factor, motion
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
There is at least one alien species bending over backwards to contact us,
and we
are just as vigorously sticking our collective heads in the sand. I am
referring
to crop circles.
You can't be serious, Robin
After all, isn't it obvious
Jones sez:
From: mix...@bigpond.com
There is at least one alien species bending over backwards to contact us,
and we are just as vigorously sticking our collective heads in the sand.
I am referring to crop circles.
You can't be serious, Robin
After all, isn't it obvious why we are
mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
There is at least one alien species bending over backwards to
contact us, and we
are just as vigorously sticking our collective heads in the sand. I
am referring
to crop circles.
Assuming aliens create crop circles . . . the circles do not look
like an attempt to
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 21 Jul 2010 07:45:26 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
You can't be serious, Robin
After all, isn't it obvious why we are sticking out collective heads in the
sand?
These are cereal killers, for goodness sake!
ROFL.
Avoid them at your peril!
...or contact them
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:35:14 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Assuming aliens create crop circles . . . the circles do not look
like an attempt to communicate with us, but rather an attempt to
mystify us. Or amuse us. They resemble art, or graffiti.
They are rife with
In reply to Steven Vincent Johnson's message of Wed, 21 Jul 2010 08:40:00
-0500:
Hi,
[snip]
When properly executed our flawless logic is more than capable of ignoring
countless similar reports, reports by police, and airline pilots. I'm always
amazed at how such reports are summarily ignored
Robin wrote:
It's obvious to me that the more complex crop circles that just appear in a
single evening can't possibly have been created with common technology. There
may be advanced black ops technology that is capable of it . . .
I do not know much about this, but I would be cautious about
Robin wrote:
It's obvious to me that the more complex crop circles that just appear in a
single evening can't possibly have been created with common technology.
There
may be advanced black ops technology that is capable of it . . .
Jed Wrote:
I do not know much about this, but I would be
Jed sez:
Has anyone made a video of a crop circle forming?
Yes, allegedly. Such authenticity is challenged.
Personally, I suspect the majority are most likely of prosaic origin.
However, that doesn't necessarily mean they all are.
Roughage!
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
Jones sez:
...
Plus they like our produce on K-PAX so why come early?
Yup. Apple cores, banana skins and all!
Roughage!
;-)
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
yes, like 20 years ago when they were just as intricate, and we all
had gps and autocad
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Robin wrote:
It's obvious to me that the more complex crop circles that just appear in a
single evening can't possibly have been
Jed sez:
Assuming aliens create crop circles . . . the circles do not
look like an attempt to communicate with us, but rather an
attempt to mystify us. Or amuse us. They resemble art, or
graffiti. There is no other intelligent life in the solar
system, so if they are here, they are
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:45:01 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
But
lest we get too pedantically logical, there is that lingering (~1 out
of 100) which were not all that sure about and dont forget that summer
vacation this is also the best time for ETs to visit since
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Kyle Mcallister
kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote:
There have been hundreds of these, the most famous being the '77 WOW signal
that the Big Ear picked up.
I'm sure we all know that high gain antennas obtain their gain by
narrowing the beamwidth of the signal.
Terry Blanton wrote:
If you consider that the source of the WOW signal might be the same
type of narrow beam, fixed antenna. And the planet source is in the
same motion as the earth. It's no surprise that you might get a brief
burst of intelligence but never see it again due to the motion of
I wrote:
To be effective you would want to send out multiple beams from deep space,
repeated for thousands of years, from an antenna orbiting the star or on the
surface of an airless planet . . . Even something as elaborate as this will
eventually cost a trivial amount. It seems to me that
Jed Rothwell
To be effective you would want to send out multiple beams from deep space,
repeated for thousands of years, from an antenna orbiting the star or on
the
surface of an airless planet . . . Even something as elaborate as this
will
eventually cost a trivial amount. It seems to
--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
If it was an interstellar communication and it happened to
impinge on earth, it would have stayed pointed in our
direction for a long time. Ditto for a deliberate signal to
attract our attention and announce the existence of
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:41:34 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
So, based on this, I conclude that the galaxy is not filled with
millions of intelligent species in civilizations that have lasted for
hundreds of thousands or millions of years, and achieved much greater
wealth
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:23 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
...two modern myths. ;)
Spiraling into control:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20727694.100-quantum-entanglement-holds-together-lifes-blueprint.html
http://snipurl.com/zlv2y
snip
When the researchers analysed the DNA
--- On Sat, 7/17/10, mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
At a distance of 1 light year, a dish with a radius of 100
m would pick up grand
total of 3E-22 W from a 10 MW transmitter on Earth. I don't
think there are any
10 MW transmitters, and even if there were, a signal that
small
Kyle Mcallister wrote:
it is suggested a UHF carrier could be detected at a range of 0.3 ly. If
that is true, a passing probe, eavesdropping on nearby solar-type stars
could get an idea that there's something near the Sun.
I read a paper some time ago, by Jill Tarter I think, that suggested
--- On Sat, 7/17/10, mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
To put this in perspective, in order to pick up 1
micro-Watt in total from our
10 MW transmitter, the dish would have to have a radius of
6 million km.
BTW the *closest* star to Sol is 4 ly away, not one.
1uW is a lot of
--- On Sun, 7/18/10, mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
I seem to recall that measurements on some supernova
indicated that the neutrino
burst and the x-rays arrived at the same time. IOW
neutrinos don't travel faster
than light. (Only tachyons do that ;^)
On the one hand...
In my
--- On Mon, 7/19/10, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Hmmm . . . What about up-links to geosynchronous TV and telcom
satellites. Or, if a civilization expands beyond one planet (but not
interstellar), what about interplanetary communications?
I don't have any data on hand about
V,
From http://www.faqs.org/faqs/astronomy/faq/part6/section-12.html
I did some calculations (assumes I did the arithmetic right) for a dish with an
aperture of 10,000 meters. Such a structure could be conceivably constructed in
space, using either one massive construct, or arrays of smaller
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Mon, 19 Jul 2010 19:53:30 -0400:
Hi,
From further down in the same article:-
However, Aleksei Aksimentiev of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
is sceptical that quantum effects are the sole reason for the helical structure.
He points out that
In reply to Kyle Mcallister's message of Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:07:03 -0700 (PDT):
Hi,
[snip]
it is suggested a UHF carrier could be detected at a range of 0.3 ly.
0.3 ly is effectively next door. In order to be that close, it would have to
have been deliberately sent to our solar system. If they
Kyle Mcallister wrote:
Another I'd add to the list is, we assume they would use radio waves or
optical (laser) communication (ala COSETI). Some other medium may exist,
which we either cannot use effectively at the moment (neutrinos) . . .
The article in Failure mentioned the possibility of
Jed Rothwell said on Sun, 18 Jul 2010 08:13:01 -0700
Kyle Mcallister wrote:
Another I'd add to the list is, we assume they would use radio waves or
optical (laser) communication (ala COSETI). Some other medium may exist,
which we either cannot use effectively at the moment (neutrinos) . . .
Fran wrote:
We are also assuming “serial” transmission. A message could be contained
in a constant holographic image. . . .
Indeed. And if we can come up with this list in the 21st century, imagine
how many more variations an advanced civilization might think of. You might
think there would be
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:11:38 -0400:
Hi,
I seem to recall that measurements on some supernova indicated that the neutrino
burst and the x-rays arrived at the same time. IOW neutrinos don't travel faster
than light. (Only tachyons do that ;^)
Kyle Mcallister
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 5:51 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
I seem to recall that measurements on some supernova indicated that the
neutrino
burst and the x-rays arrived at the same time. IOW neutrinos don't travel
faster
than light. (Only tachyons do that ;^)
And entanglement resolution.
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:22:37 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 5:51 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
I seem to recall that measurements on some supernova indicated that the
neutrino
burst and the x-rays arrived at the same time. IOW neutrinos don't
--- On Fri, 7/16/10, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Jed, and all:
Another I'd add to the list is, we assume they would use radio waves or optical
(laser) communication (ala COSETI). Some other medium may exist, which we
either cannot use effectively at the moment (neutrinos) or
In reply to Kyle Mcallister's message of Sat, 17 Jul 2010 19:19:55 -0700 (PDT):
Hi,
[snip]
TV and commercial radio broadcasts would reach out a light year or so before
being 'lost.'
At a distance of 1 light year, a dish with a radius of 100 m would pick up grand
total of 3E-22 W from a 10 MW
In reply to mix...@bigpond.com's message of Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:15:03 +1000:
Hi,
[snip]
To put this in perspective, in order to pick up 1 micro-Watt in total from our
10 MW transmitter, the dish would have to have a radius of 6 million km.
BTW the *closest* star to Sol is 4 ly away, not one.
At
From Failure Magazine. I just love the title of this magazine!
See:
http://failuremag.com/index.php/feature/article/merchants_of_doubt/
Merchants of Doubt
This is somewhat political, but I regard it as an antidote to the
accusation that we are conspiracy theorists and the opposition is all
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