Re: [Vo]:Test message with tabular data 4
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Strong suggestion, Jed: don't send large files or serious graphical data or even tables requiring much formatting by email to a mailing list. There is no point to using any HTML formatted tables, because mail.archive.com squashes the life out of the tables, as Horace Heffner pointed out. That's a darn shame. I don't mind rudimentary formatting in electronic messages. Actually, I prefer that. But this is a little too rudimentary. But heck, I was using computers back when they were ALL CAPS WITH PUNCH CARDS AND PAPER TAPE AND ASR 33 TELETYPES (taka taka taka taka -- Japanese sound effect) so I can live with it. *** EOF *** (taka taka taka taka)
Re: [Vo]:Test message with tabular data 4
Strong suggestion, Jed: don't send large files or serious graphical data or even tables requiring much formatting by email to a mailing list. Instead, put it on a web site, either for direct display or for file download. And then send the link. It is much more flexible and preserves email bandwidth and avoids certain risks. (Sending a large mail to the many subscribers of a list can put a serious load on the mail server.) I do not allow attached files on any of the mailing lists I manage, because, then, a virus infection of one subscriber can propagate as a temptation to infection by the list subscribers. (With a few viruses, and with unpatched operating systems, direct infection was possible, but *hopefully* most of those infection pathways have been closed. I do know that when I've had to reinstall an OS, particularly Windows XP or 2000, and then I connected to the internet, my computer was infected within minutes, I had to get a copy of Zone Alarm, install the OS and then Zone Alarm from CD, and then download the security updates but more recent versions are more resistant to this out of the box.)
[Vo]:Test message with tabular data 4
I just tried this with three messages which were probably too big. I think 40 KB is the limit. Microsoft Word put this table out in HTML with enormous overhead. This version is prepared with an HTML editor. Britz database stats Res+Res-Res0NoYearTotalPositiveNegativeUndecidedEvaluationPositive + Undecided198920546832254681990248757641561161991130462918376419926522131119 331993663110817391994422033162319952919361251996482410773119973219247231998 3319239221999231801419200015100141120011711204112002189207920037210422004640 02420056222042006640115200755000520086200422009001007388238128253516 - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Test message with tabular data 4
Ah. That worked. Let me try HTML from on-line article: The following table shows just how much more people consume in a serving today compared to people in the 50s: *Serving Sizes Then and Now**Food or beverage**1950s**Expanded 2003 portion*French fries 2.4 ounces up to 7.1 ouncesFountain soda 7.0 ounces 12 to 64 ouncesHamburger patty 1.6 ounces up to 8.0 ouncesHamburger sandwich 3.9 ounces 4.4 to 12.6 ouncesMuffin 3.0 ounces 6.5 ouncesPasta serving 1.5 cups 3.0 cupsChocolate bar 1 ounce 2.6 to 8 ounces
Re: [Vo]:Test message with tabular data 4
Look fine. 40 kB is the *coded* limit. Mime encoding adds about 25% overhead. Word overhead over text on small messages is outrageous. That's why we made hypertext. T On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Can the readers here see the two tables I just sent? The first one is from a spreadsheet output in HTML format. The second is copied from an on-line article. This is a neater, more readable way of posting tabular data here. Lots of overhead though . . . - Jed
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looks good to me. a LOT of people on this list use non html email readers though. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Can the readers here see the two tables I just sent? The first one is from a spreadsheet output in HTML format. The second is copied from an on-line article. This is a neater, more readable way of posting tabular data here. Lots of overhead though . . . - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Test message with tabular data 4
I just realized Microsoft Outlook users might not have seen my last email correctly, so here it is again in rich text. On Feb 12, 2010, at 7:07 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I just tried this with three messages which were probably too big. I think 40 KB is the limit. Microsoft Word put this table out in HTML with enormous overhead. This version is prepared with an HTML editor. Britz database stats [snip] It came through nicely on my Mac. However, HTML in general, and graphics in particular, are not good in the archives. Graphics and some HTML or even rich text also do not show up properly at the online archives, www.mail-archive.com. Happily, ascii graphics and blank line white space, which many Microsoft users don't get properly via plain text, show up nicely in the archives. See: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg37685.html [Vo]:Test message with tabular data 4 Jed Rothwell Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:08:37 -0800 I just tried this with three messages which were probably too big. I think 40 KB is the limit. Microsoft Word put this table out in HTML with enormous overhead. This version is prepared with an HTML editor. Britz database stats Res+Res-Res0NoYearTotalPositiveNegativeUndecidedEvaluationPositive + Undecided198920546832254681990248757641561161991130462918376419926522131 119 331993663110817391994422033162319952919361251996482410773119973219247231 998 331923922199923180141920001510014112001171120411200218920792003721042200 4640 02420056222042006640115200755000520086200422009001007388238128253516 - Jed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - And see: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg37686.html Re: [Vo]:Test message with tabular data 4 Jed Rothwell Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:11:50 -0800 Ah. That worked. Let me try HTML from on-line article: The following table shows just how much more people consume in a serving today compared to people in the 50s: *Serving Sizes Then and Now**Food or beverage**1950s**Expanded 2003 portion*French fries 2.4 ounces up to 7.1 ouncesFountain soda 7.0 ounces 12 to 64 ouncesHamburger patty 1.6 ounces up to 8.0 ouncesHamburger sandwich 3.9 ounces 4.4 to 12.6 ouncesMuffin 3.0 ounces 6.5 ouncesPasta serving 1.5 cups 3.0 cupsChocolate bar 1 ounce 2.6 to 8 ounces - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Test message with tabular data 4
Horace Heffner wrote: It came through nicely on my Mac. However, HTML in general, and graphics in particular, are not good in the archives. Graphics and some HTML or even rich text also do not show up properly at the online archives, http://www.mail-archive.comwww.mail-archive.com. Ouch. Happily, ascii graphics and blank line white space, which many Microsoft users don't get properly via plain text, show up nicely in the archives. That's sorta hard to make. It there a program to convert tables into ascii graphics and blank spaces? It sounds like something I would have written in 1978. - Jed
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On Feb 12, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: It came through nicely on my Mac. However, HTML in general, and graphics in particular, are not good in the archives. Graphics and some HTML or even rich text also do not show up properly at the online archives, www.mail-archive.com. Ouch. Happily, ascii graphics and blank line white space, which many Microsoft users don't get properly via plain text, show up nicely in the archives. That's sorta hard to make. It there a program to convert tables into ascii graphics and blank spaces? It sounds like something I would have written in 1978. - Jed If you leave out the graphics and just print a table as rich text, that might work. If it does not come out in columns, due to a variable font, you might be able to fix that by selecting the text and converting it to a fixed font. Converting to a small pitch (as I did below) is sometimes useful for getting everything to show up without line wrap for some people, and some lists, but the pitch in www.mail-archive.com is fixed, as is the line width, so everyone sees line wrap there is you exceed the maximum. I'm not sure what the maximum line width is for www.mail-archive.com but the scale following will help tell that. If it is a spreadsheet important to you and that you might refer to at a later date you might just covert it to a pdf, put it on your web site, and provide the URL instead. Even better is to convert to modifiable HTML spreadsheet format, so people can plug in their own data to affect the totals, do projections, etc. Following is 10 pitch Courier, at least as I sent it anyway. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - . 1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8. 9 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012 345678901234567890 http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg37685.html [Vo]:Test message with tabular data 4 Jed Rothwell Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:08:37 -0800 I just tried this with three messages which were probably too big. I think 40 KB is the limit. Microsoft Word put this table out in HTML with enormous overhead. This version is prepared with an HTML editor. Britz database stats Res+Res-Res0NoYearTotalPositiveNegativeUndecidedEvaluationPositive + Undecided198920546832254681990248757641561161991130462918376419926522131 119 331993663110817391994422033162319952919361251996482410773119973219247231 998 331923922199923180141920001510014112001171120411200218920792003721042200 4640 02420056222042006640115200755000520086200422009001007388238128253516 - Jed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - And see: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg37686.html Re: [Vo]:Test message with tabular data 4 Jed Rothwell Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:11:50 -0800 Ah. That worked. Let me try HTML from on-line article: The following table shows just how much more people consume in a serving today compared to people in the 50s: *Serving Sizes Then and Now**Food or beverage**1950s**Expanded 2003 portion*French fries 2.4 ounces up to 7.1 ouncesFountain soda 7.0 ounces 12 to 64 ouncesHamburger patty 1.6 ounces up to 8.0 ouncesHamburger sandwich 3.9 ounces 4.4 to 12.6 ouncesMuffin 3.0 ounces 6.5 ouncesPasta serving 1.5 cups 3.0 cupsChocolate bar 1 ounce 2.6 to 8 ounces - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
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