Re: [Vo]:The Percolator Effect

2011-08-25 Thread Horace Heffner
On Aug 24, 2011, at 11:02 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: Horace wrote: «Sparging steam into a bucket, though far better that other steam methods applied to date on Rossi's devices, and publicly disclosed, has numerous serious drawbacks, which have already been discussed.» And where they are d

Re: [Vo]:The Percolator Effect

2011-08-25 Thread Joe Catania
So, you believe the issue is settled by the use of flow calorimetry (hopefully you mean without phase change). - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Percolator Effect Joe Catania

Re: [Vo]:The Percolator Effect

2011-08-25 Thread Rich Murray
Thank you Horace, I think you really have driven the final nails into the Rossi coffin, with your exemplary analysis of the percolator effect, along with cogent remarks about the endless wan discussions. within mutual service, Rich Murray

Re: [Vo]:The Percolator Effect

2011-08-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner wrote: > Hold on there! I assume you refer to the discussions and churning here, in > this group. > > > You assume wrongly. I refer in addition to Rossi's blog, the CMNS news > list, Krivit's blog, public press, etc., etc. > Ah, well these other forums are also populated by peop

Re: [Vo]:The Percolator Effect

2011-08-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joe Catania wrote: I'm suggesting what I believe many others have. What should be eliminated is complications like anything flowing, anything shanging phase, heat leakage. Phase changes are a problem, although ice calorimetry has been around for a long time. The only kind of calorimetry th

Re: [Vo]:The Percolator Effect

2011-08-25 Thread Horace Heffner
On Aug 25, 2011, at 5:59 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: The correct thing to do is to do calorimetry on the output using a well calibrated professionally designed calorimeter independent of the device itself . . . Defkalion claims they have done this. Alarm bells should

Re: [Vo]:The Percolator Effect

2011-08-25 Thread Joe Catania
tions there should be a conclusion possible. - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Percolator Effect Joe Catania wrote: One should stay away from E-Cat calorimetry and instead pe

Re: [Vo]:The Percolator Effect

2011-08-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joe Catania wrote: ** > One should stay away from E-Cat calorimetry and instead perform calorimetry > on the actual nickel-hydrogen reaction. > What is the difference? An eCat is a reactor vessel, and so is a Defkalion reactor. You can only perform calorimetry on a vessel of some sort. Are you

Re: [Vo]:The Percolator Effect

2011-08-25 Thread Joe Catania
One should stay away from E-Cat calorimetry and instead perform calorimetry on the actual nickel-hydrogen reaction. - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Percolator Effect Horace

Re: [Vo]:The Percolator Effect

2011-08-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner wrote: > The correct thing to do is to do calorimetry on the output using a well > calibrated professionally designed calorimeter independent of the device > itself . . . > Defkalion claims they have done this. Alarm bells should go off in your head when you see the amount of d

Re: [Vo]:The Percolator Effect

2011-08-25 Thread Horace Heffner
On Aug 24, 2011, at 11:02 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: Horace wrote: «Sparging steam into a bucket, though far better that other steam methods applied to date on Rossi's devices, and publicly disclosed, has numerous serious drawbacks, which have already been discussed.» And where they are d

Re: [Vo]:The Percolator Effect

2011-08-25 Thread Horace Heffner
The computations in the following pdfs are provided in order to hopefully permit more meaningful discussion or understanding of the percolator effect as it relates to Rossi type devices and simulators: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/KrivitFilm.pdf http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Cantw

Re: [Vo]:The Percolator Effect

2011-08-25 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Horace wrote: «Sparging steam into a bucket, though far better that other steam methods applied to date on Rossi's devices, and publicly disclosed, has numerous serious drawbacks, which have already been discussed.» And where they are discussed and by whom? There might be problems, and first is th

[Vo]:The Percolator Effect

2011-08-24 Thread Horace Heffner
The computations in the following pdfs are provided in order to hopefully permit more meaningful discussion or understanding of the percolator effect as it relates to Rossi type devices and simulators: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/KrivitFilm.pdf http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Cantw