Well, thankfully, Smart Men are making decisions in Washington D.C. about
things like where to put RD money. Just ask Jed.
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:52 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree 100% with Alain. Very powerful anti-CF memes are circulating and
cannot be erased by
there is no hope to convince people until there is a working prototype
that we can put on the client table, and that clearly work, even roughly.
I could have sworn that was what I've been writing on and off for the last
year or so!
No one but scientists care if CF exists but isn't useful in the
The first person who goes around during a Sandy#2 and charges people's
laptops and mobile phones with a portable CF-device is going to do a lot
more to convince people it's a everyday useful energy-source than any
amount of comments on SciAm or elsewhere.
People want a real-life useful thing.
It sadly oppose to the mythology of science, of prevalence of experimental
facts compared to theories and to usefulness...
in fact if something oppose todays theories/continuity and is not so
important, it is denied.
I can translate into: I won't lose my job, for something than cannot make
me a
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
However as soon as we have a machine on the client table, and that the
advantages for the client are clear, nothing can block people to use it...
no lobbies, no regulation, no fear...
I think that's incorrect. Here in the U.S. we have powerful
Let me clarify. I wrote:
After the accident, the Federal engineer who recommended this change was
fired, and the top management who refused to implement the change were
rewarded with thousands of dollars and promotions. That sort of thing
happens more often than people realize.
Before TMI,
I don't disagree with the power of lobbies.
In fact the expert I talk to said thay they will try to oppose to the
transition to maintain te problem they are the solution of.
They will learn the new technology, while blocking it, until they can
compete and establish a monopoly again.
the way to
Public sector rent-seeking could be prevented in large measure by simply
following the original intent of the US Constitution to a very limited
Federal government role. Ultimately, you want to remove discretion from
the appropriations process entirely with a CItizen's Dividend aka a
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From: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
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I agree 100% with Alain. Very powerful anti-CF memes are circulating and cannot
be erased by words, just by facts
to closely follow the developments in LENR and I feel confident
that you will find the proof you seek.
Dave
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determination.
Dave
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From: Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
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The first person who goes around during a Sandy#2 and charges people's laptops
Subject: Re: [Vo]:We should employ new methods of persuading the public
The first person who goes around during a Sandy#2 and charges people's
laptops and mobile phones with a portable CF-device is going to do a lot
more to convince people it's a everyday useful energy-source than any
amount
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:06 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I would bet that a demonstration of a charger would not convince many about
the reality of CF devices. So many would suggest ways that the effect could
be faked or scammed just as we have seen before.
You don't actually
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I am not sure that *everyone* can be convinced that the hypothetical CF
device is real as you suggest.
It would not have to convince everyone in the first round. We only need to
set off a chain reaction where each generation triggers more reactions
I wrote:
It would not have to convince everyone in the first round. We only need to
set off a chain reaction where each generation triggers more reactions
instead of quenching.
I mean a reaction of people, not neutrons. Each replication motivates more
than 1 other group to replicate, so the
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
And a recent political election would suggest the fact that some of those
young whippersnappers know just how to accomplish this too. There is hope.
Right. And I happen to have a line into some of them. Especially my
daughter, who
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/109-fast-paced-progress
There is nothing new on the site today other than calibration data, which
looks good.
From: Jed Rothwell
We can hope that the Celani device, replicated by 5 or 10 labs, will
convince hundreds more researchers than
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I am not sure that everyone can be convinced that the hypothetical CF
device is real as you suggest.
It would not have to convince everyone in the first round. We only need to
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:52 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:We should employ new methods of persuading the public
I agree 100% with Alain. Very powerful anti-CF memes are circulating and
cannot be erased by words, just by facts. The many positive achievements of
Cold Fusion
Those young whippersnappers have a facebook page too:
https://www.facebook.com/#!/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject
Harry
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/109-fast-paced-progress
There is nothing new on the
Indeed Mark,
the problem with cold fusion is that it is almost impossible to explain to
skeptic convincingly. Sam Kean explained the problem with with cold fusion
very well in his book Disappearing Spoon. Here is an excerpt from the book
that I recommend to read. Jed does not like it, I know that
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
I also recommend the book as general good science book, although it is not
anyway special.
The Violinist's Thumb is even better.
Jed said,
So far, so far, cold fusion has avoided any opposition from vested
interests because it has such a low profile. It is like the airplane
from 1903 to 1908. No one takes it seriously, and most people are
completely unaware that it exists.
Jed, I think there is a distinguishing feature
I have been reading some interesting articles about public opinion and the
2012 campaign. I have also been hearing directly from people in the Obama
campaign.
New methods of reaching the public have been developed in the 21st century.
The Internet and social media are used to coordinate
You know what would be really swell, Jed? If you went onto Reddit (
http://www.reddit.com/r/AMA (Reddit's AMA (=Ask Me Anything) -forum)) and
identified yourself like this:
I'm a Cold Fusion / Low Energy Nuclear Reactions archivist, ask me anything
or any permutation of. that should get
A serial innovator I'm in contact with, and who is working to make LENR a
vector of energetic transition, told me that there is no hope to convince
people until there is a working prototype that we can put on the client
table, and that clearly work, even roughly.
However as soon as we have a
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