RE: Superluminal cavity resonances was RE: Fast-food for thought

2004-12-10 Thread Horace Heffner
Sometimes I just don't get anything right. The link I posted to Nimtz illustrates how this can be done ( my own work is unpublished or I'd link you to it instead). The key issue remains, how do we define velocity? Original: It could be defined, for a two way data transmission system, as

RE: Superluminal cavity resonances was RE: Fast-food for thought

2004-12-09 Thread Keith Nagel
PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Superluminal cavity resonances was RE: Fast-food for thought At 1:53 PM 12/8/4, Keith Nagel wrote: Hi Horace. I wanted to address you points with the article text, but the link has gone sour... Anyway, I think your differentiation is moot. I can build a radio circuit

RE: Superluminal cavity resonances was RE: Fast-food for thought

2004-12-09 Thread Horace Heffner
At 12:37 PM 12/9/4, Keith Nagel wrote: First, looking at the graph, we see the reference pulse/count profile for light speed is spread over a huge range, something like 40 feet of free space. There is no need for any of the experimenters clever messing with polarizing filters or birefringent

Re: Fast-food for thought

2004-12-08 Thread Jones Beene
Keith Nagel writes, Yep, that's it exactly. The resonator has two modes, an inductive slow wave mode and a capacitive fast wave mode. The capacitive coupling permits energy to travel directly along the axis of the coil, which means the coil is a true resonator rather than a simple inductor.

RE: Fast-food for thought

2004-12-08 Thread Keith Nagel
that may be a good thing (grin). K. -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fast-food for thought Keith Nagel writes, Yep, that's it exactly. The resonator has two

RE: Superluminal cavity resonances was RE: Fast-food for thought

2004-12-08 Thread Keith Nagel
PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 3:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Superluminal cavity resonances was RE: Fast-food for thought At 2:08 PM 12/7/4, Keith Nagel wrote: Let's look at that graph again. http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/8/11/10/1/041110 Notice how the light

RE: Superluminal cavity resonances was RE: Fast-food for thought

2004-12-08 Thread Horace Heffner
At 1:53 PM 12/8/4, Keith Nagel wrote: Hi Horace. I wanted to address you points with the article text, but the link has gone sour... Anyway, I think your differentiation is moot. I can build a radio circuit that displays behavior EXACTLY as shown in the graph. Yes, but that is not *my* point.

RE: Superluminal cavity resonances was RE: Fast-food for thought

2004-12-08 Thread Horace Heffner
The link I posted to Nimtz illustrates how this can be done ( my own work is unpublished or I'd link you to it instead). The key issue remains, how do we define velocity? Typo: It could be defined, for a two way data transmission system, as repeated meaningful transmission of data x over

Re: Superluminal cavity resonances was RE: Fast-food for thought

2004-12-08 Thread Harry Veeder
Kyle wrote: ...if it *is* moving super-c, and not just some distortion, it is important to think about this, regardless of whether or not we can use it at the present time to transmit something. I agree. Harry

RE: Superluminal cavity resonances was RE: Fast-food for thought

2004-12-07 Thread Grimer
At 11:52 pm 06-12-04 -0900, you wrote: At 11:01 PM 12/6/4, Keith Nagel wrote: Hi Terry. You will see from their scope graph http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/8/11/10/1/041110 that the light speed pulse is larger than both; measuring from the peak like that can be deceptive as they show. I

RE: Superluminal cavity resonances was RE: Fast-food for thought

2004-12-07 Thread Keith Nagel
Hi Horace. You write: It seems to me that if the group velocity can be sensed at 3*c then that constitutes data transmitted FTL. Let's look at that graph again. http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/8/11/10/1/041110 Notice how the light speed delayed pulse is larger than the slow or fast wave?

Re: Superluminal cavity resonances was RE: Fast-food for thought

2004-12-07 Thread Harry Veeder
Horace Heffner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 2:08 PM 12/7/4, Keith Nagel wrote: Let's look at that graph again. http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/8/11/10/1/041110 Notice how the light speed delayed pulse is larger than the slow or fast wave? Let's imagine two machines as you

Re: Superluminal cavity resonances was RE: Fast-food for thought

2004-12-07 Thread Kyle Mcallister
Physicists in Switzerland have confirmed that information cannot be transmitted faster than the speed of light. Hmmmthe writers of the quoted article have made an error in the above statement. It would be more correct to say that it is confirmed that within the experimental proceedures

Fast-food for thought

2004-12-06 Thread Jones Beene
...real fast-food. A post arrived from another forum (Blaze Labs) which some observers here might find intriguing (I cannot vouch for the accuracy, but the experimenter is both credible (genius-level perhaps) and credentialed, so I will try to find out more details about the particular

Superluminal cavity resonances was RE: Fast-food for thought

2004-12-06 Thread Keith Nagel
: Fast-food for thought ...real fast-food. A post arrived from another forum (Blaze Labs) which some observers here might find intriguing (I cannot vouch for the accuracy, but the experimenter is both credible (genius-level perhaps) and credentialed, so I will try to find out more details about

Re: Superluminal cavity resonances was RE: Fast-food for thought

2004-12-06 Thread Jones Beene
Keith, I disagree with his conclusion, that the underlying velocity exceeds C. This claim was made by a researcher at Marquette I can't blame anyone for disagreeing with this. Yesterday, I would have disagreed also. However, having had a little run at Google, there seems to be a fair

RE: Superluminal cavity resonances was RE: Fast-food for thought

2004-12-06 Thread Keith Nagel
. The vacuum is tenacious stuff. K. -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 5:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Superluminal cavity resonances was RE: Fast-food for thought Keith, I disagree with his

Re: Fast-food for thought

2004-12-06 Thread Harvey Norris
--- Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...real fast-food. A post arrived from another forum (Blaze Labs) which some observers here might find intriguing (I cannot vouch for the accuracy, but the experimenter is both credible (genius-level perhaps) and credentialed, so I will try to

Re: Superluminal cavity resonances was RE: Fast-food for thought

2004-12-06 Thread Terry Blanton
Keith Nagel wrote <>Try searching the archives of Aperion magazine, I seem to remember more papers there. Something recent: http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/8/11/10/1 Good news for causality 18 November 2004 Physicists in Switzerland have confirmed that information cannot be

Re: Superluminal cavity resonances was RE: Fast-food for thought

2004-12-06 Thread Terry Blanton
Oops, sans html: Try searching the archives of Aperion magazine, I seem to remember more papers there. Something recent: http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/8/11/10/1 Good news for causality 18 November 2004 Physicists in Switzerland have confirmed that information cannot be transmitted

RE: Superluminal cavity resonances was RE: Fast-food for thought

2004-12-06 Thread Keith Nagel
: Fast-food for thought Oops, sans html: Try searching the archives of Aperion magazine, I seem to remember more papers there. Something recent: http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/8/11/10/1 Good news for causality 18 November 2004 Physicists in Switzerland have confirmed

Re: Superluminal cavity resonances was RE: Fast-food for thought

2004-12-06 Thread Harry Veeder
The world of light I know from daily experience doesn't fit into an optical fibre. Perhaps in other contexts the signal velocity of light does exceed C. Harry http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/8/11/10/1 Physicists in Switzerland have confirmed that information cannot be