On Saturday 09 April 2005 11:36, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Standing Bear wrote:
> The legal problems were caused by the Three Mile Island accident. It was
> the most expensive industrial accident in history by far. It nearly
> bankrupted the power company. The detractors never cause 0.01% as much
> tr
Standing Bear wrote:
> and half truths. The detractors of nuclear power in this case deliberately
> caused financial and legal problems for the industry . . .
The legal problems were caused by the Three Mile Island accident. It was the
most expensive industrial accident in history by far. It n
On Friday 08 April 2005 18:13, Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
> In reply to Standing Bear's message of Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:42:28
> -0400:
> Hi,
> [snip]
>
> >mirror fusion engine for main power. It is powered by a nuclear reactor.
> >If these things can get us to the moon where we can mine the tritiu
In reply to Standing Bear's message of Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:42:28
-0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>mirror fusion engine for main power. It is powered by a nuclear reactor.
>If these things can get us to the moon where we can mine the tritium, then
>pure fusion mirror devices become feasible. In any case, the m
On Tuesday 29 March 2005 13:59, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> I wrote:
> >The biggest problem with charging stations would be lack of customers. I
> >think most people would find it more convenient to recharge at home
> >overnight, rather than interrupt their commute.
>
> In other words, charging stations
Steve wrote:
>
> I understand that this is how they work but I've never understood why.
>
> Why is it not better to use a gutsy electric motor, a small gasoline or
> diesel engine, and a battery pack? That always seemed like the
> "reasonable" way to build a hybrid -- take a tip from diesel electr
Mike Carrell wrote:
MC: I said *at the wheels*. I
don't have the exact numbers at hand, but
there are a lot of losses between the engine crankshaft and the wheels.
One
is the power necessary for the hydraulic system.
Good point. The NREL "Hydrogen Program Plan" cites a JPL study
from 1985 showin
Jed wrote:
The point that Mike Carrell has made about a very rapid recharge is that it
would require the batteries to absorb energy much faster than they ever
discharge it. Suppose you have a car with a 200 mile range that recharges in
six minutes. The batteries have to absorb enough energy in si
Steve wrote:
> I would speculate that Toshiba headquarters knowing that their R&D teams
were working on the promising nano battery designs made the decision to
discontinue the more conventional lithium-ion technology more than a year
ago. They knew that if their R&D teams proved successful conven
At 4:29 PM 3/30/5, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>Why is it not better to use a gutsy electric motor, a small gasoline or
>diesel engine, and a battery pack? That always seemed like the
>"reasonable" way to build a hybrid -- take a tip from diesel electric
>locomotives, that run the diesel engine at
Horace Heffner wrote:
At 10:05 AM 3/30/5, Jed Rothwell wrote:
30 hp, by the way, seems a little low even for a lightweight electric car,
based on the performance of my 40 HP Geo Metro. I think you need more like
70 to 100 HP, even with a light, aerodynamic car. The Honda Insight has a
73 hp eng
At 10:05 AM 3/30/5, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>30 hp, by the way, seems a little low even for a lightweight electric car,
>based on the performance of my 40 HP Geo Metro. I think you need more like
>70 to 100 HP, even with a light, aerodynamic car. The Honda Insight has a
>73 hp engine and a 10 kW elect
http://www.pnl.gov/energyscience/01-02/ws.htm
Scientists at the Department of Energy's Brookhaven National Laboratory have
developed a new metal alloy that could greatly improve the performance of
rechargeable batteries for portable electronic devices and electric and
hybrid electric cars.
-D
I would speculate that Toshiba headquarters knowing that their R&D teams were
working on the promising nano battery designs made the decision to discontinue
the more conventional lithium-ion technology more than a year ago. They knew
that if their R&D teams proved successful conventional batteri
Michael Foster wrote:
Wouldn't such a quickly
chargeable battery be
able to store much more energy from regenerative
braking than is currently possible?
These batteries are apparently more efficient (meaning they generate less
waste heat when they recharge) so they would do a better job of
regen
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Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 3:21 AM
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> Batteries are not a source of energy. True, some energy is recovered from
> regenerative breaking, but transportatio
The quote below, seemingly attributed to me, is actually from Jed.
At 6:59 AM 3/30/5, Mike Carrell wrote:
>Horace wrote:
>.
>> >
>> >There also schemes to use high-capacity capacitors for urban buses. Every
>> >bus stop would be equipped with power mains to recharge the bus while the
>> >passenger
Horace wrote:
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> >
> >There also schemes to use high-capacity capacitors for urban buses. Every
> >bus stop would be equipped with power mains to recharge the bus while the
> >passengers get on and off. This seems impractical to me.
Not so. In Europe there have been bus systems with flywheel ener
At 1:39 PM 3/29/5, Jed Rothwell wrote:
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>Horace Heffner wrote:
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>>This is a significant development provided the price is right. It means
>>vehicles can be charged in a manner similar to filling up on gas, and that
>>home charging is a
Wouldn't such a quickly chargeable battery be
able to store much more energy from regenerative
braking than is currently possible?
M.
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Jed is right on the money with his analysis of this
Toshiba battery announcement. I noticed there was no mention of
possible mileage ranges with these new batteries. But, if they really can
recharge in one minute, then the whole range issue is a lot less
significant. Even a 200 mile range
--- Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So... which announcement is the April Fool's joke?
http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=1221
"Let me repeat once again (let's cut out those
enquiring emails right now) it is NOT an early April
Fools (I hate those) and besides Toshiba said
Mike Carrell writes:
> MC: To which I add, yes, of course, if they had to.
When gasoline hits $5 per gallon they will have to. Many people cannot afford
that.
> Battery cars were used
> locally in the 30s.
They had a huge problem: they were much slower than gasoline cars. I think
their max s
Jeff writes:
> It's not vaporized batteries we need to worry about, it is the power grid
> and generating stations. The combined output of all of our automotive
> engines may be more than the combined output of all our generating
> facilities.
It is much more than all of our generating facilitie
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> From: "Mike Carrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 6:17 PM
> Subject: Re: New battery technology
>
> > Jed made some good comments:
> >
> > Mike Carrell wrote:
> >
> >
> > delivered
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> Meanwhile, I performed an unscientific Reality Check and
noticed that CNN.COM has yet to report on this apparent
technological breakthrough, particularly in the Technology
section. We are instead presented with, ...yawn...,
If you think
r
electric supply. We simply don't have enough.
Jeff
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From: "Mike Carrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: New battery technology
> Jed made some good comments:
>
> Mike Carrell wrote:
>
>
Jed made some good comments:
Mike Carrell wrote:
delivered to the battery in 1/12 hour, at a rate of (75)(12) = 900 kW, which
will vaporize the battery.
Obviously if these batteries can charge 10 times faster than normal
batteries, as advertised, they must be remarkably efficient so they do not
A lot of fascinating Vortexian discussion has been generated on this topic, as
it well should.
Meanwhile, I performed an unscientific Reality Check and noticed that CNN.COM
has yet to report on this apparent technological breakthrough, particularly in
the Technology section. We are instead pres
Jed Rothwell
> If gasoline goes up to $4 or $5 per gallon, you will see
this kind of thing implemented with lightning speed -- much
faster than anyone has predicted or imagined lately.
even as things stand now, one wonder how long it will
take...
In trying to equate battery recharge costs
and you are makeing a big assumption. that everyone would do a full
charge everytime. do people fill the tank every time? so for ten
cents on your order, or maybe even free, mcdonalds will charge your
car as you go through the drive through. 2 minutes of charging, last
you a couple hours driving
I wrote:
That's pretty hot, but with a
good radiator and exhaust fan it would not vaporize the battery or cause
a fire. With a lead-acid battery, which is 70% efficient, it would
produce 200 or 300 kW, which *would* cause a
fire.
I should have said: "If a lead acid battery could recharge this
qui
Vortex-ians
I was a regular member of this
group three years ago, when I lived in LA and I commuted regularly with an
electric car. I was in grad school at CSUN at the time, and lived eight miles
from the school. In the morning I would unplug the car from my driveway, drive
to school, pa
They are now available for your human transporter:
http://segway.com/segway/lithium_ion.htmlMike Carrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I assume lithium ion batteries can be designed for automotiveservice.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has
Mike Carrell wrote:
delivered to the battery in 1/12
hour, at a rate of (75)(12) = 900 kW, which
will vaporize the battery.
Obviously if these batteries can charge 10 times faster than normal
batteries, as advertised, they must be remarkably efficient so they do
not produce much waste heat. Most
The Toshiba battery technology is very impressive and will be a bonanza for
them and lots of gadgets, but before one goes overboard about the electric
automobile, do your arithmetic.
Jed is spot on in remembering my caution about electric filling stations. On
a turnpike, you pull lin and in five m
measured in a few minutes rather than hours."
-DonW-
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Before we divide the bear into all of its succ
measured in a few minutes rather than hours."
-DonW-
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Before we divide the bear into all of its succ
> From: Terry Blanton
>
> http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=toshiba+battery
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Before we divide the bear into all of its succulent
> parts it might be wise to verify the source of the news.
Thanks, Terry!
I love it when my suspicions can be proven wrong!
Rega
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=toshiba+battery[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Before we divide the bear into all of its succulent parts it might be wise to verify the source of the news.
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It's not quite April 1st yet. Fess up
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>
> From: "R. Wormus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/03/29 Tue PM 05:34:20 GMT
> To:
I wrote:
The biggest problem with
charging stations would be lack of customers. I think most people would
find it more convenient to recharge at home overnight, rather than
interrupt their commute.
In other words, charging stations would only be economically viable on
highways where people travel
Horace Heffner wrote:
This is a significant
development provided the price is right. It means
vehicles can be charged in a manner similar to filling up on gas, and
that
home charging is also feasible.
Home charging of electric vehicles is already feasible. I cannot imagine
an electric car design
wow. its a battery capacitor! definately increase the effectiveness
of solar vehicles.
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:14:25 -0900, Horace Heffner
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 10:34 AM 3/29/5, R. Wormus wrote:
> >Press Release:
> >
> >New battery offers unsurpassed recharge performance and high energ
At 10:34 AM 3/29/5, R. Wormus wrote:
>Press Release:
>
>New battery offers unsurpassed recharge performance and high energy density
>TOKYO -- Toshiba Corporation today announced a breakthrough in lithium-ion
>batteries that makes long recharge times a thing of the past. The company's
>new battery c
Now THAT'S an important breakthrough. Something like this
quick recharge battery could revolutionize transportation, and greatly
reduce the need for oil.
- Jed
Press Release:
New battery offers unsurpassed recharge performance and high energy density
TOKYO -- Toshiba Corporation today announced a breakthrough in lithium-ion
batteries that makes long recharge times a thing of the past. The company's
new battery can recharge 80% of a battery's energy capa
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