RE: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-30 Thread Jeff Fink
-Original Message- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 12:28 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore Please provide an example how a nation with veto power on the security council

Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-30 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jeff Fink's message of Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:45:08 -0500: Hi, [snip] Since its inception, the UNhas been relatively ineffective and harmless because whenever they really try to do something it gets vetoed by somebody. If the leadership could institute policies unopposed then things

Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-29 Thread Harry Veeder
, January 28, 2008 9:31 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore The UN security council needs to be reformed for starters. Harry On 28/1/2008 6:06 PM, Lawrence de Bivort wrote: Agreed, Jed. We are, as a species, entering an age

RE: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-29 Thread Jeff Fink
, January 28, 2008 9:31 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore The UN security council needs to be reformed for starters. Harry On 28/1/2008 6:06 PM, Lawrence de Bivort wrote: Agreed, Jed. We are, as a species, entering

Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-29 Thread R.C.Macaulay
Howdy Jeff, It is difficult to convey such a thought to a generation that has had a constant barrage of teaching from Miss Pollyana Doogood. Miss Doogood has been trying to explain that the world is run on the level, there is no such thing as evil, and anyone that don't believe it are not

RE: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Lawrence de Bivort wrote: I understand there are considerable sweet water aquifers under large portions of the Sahara. There are aquifers, but they are being rapidly depleted and destroyed. There is no chance they can be used to reconvert the man-made parts of the desert back into verdant

Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-29 Thread Harry Veeder
Message- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:42 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore No veto as Robin said, and more permanent members. Harry On 28/1/2008 10:17 PM, Lawrence de

Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-29 Thread Harry Veeder
It is more like a feeling than a thought. harry On 29/1/2008 12:38 PM, R.C.Macaulay wrote: Howdy Jeff, It is difficult to convey such a thought to a generation that has had a constant barrage of teaching from Miss Pollyana Doogood. Miss Doogood has been trying to explain that the world

Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-29 Thread leaking pen
i think his point is that the aquifers are natural filters, and that rising watertables from ocean flooding would be filtered through them. this is partially true, but it would filter slowly, and you would still end up with salty marshland, likely. On 1/29/08, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-28 Thread leaking pen
thats basically it. it depends on if the death and disease and destruction that will be caused is worth it. (if you ask me, i get less people in the world, and beach front property here in az. WIN WIN. ) On 1/28/08, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28/1/2008 8:28 AM, Jeff Fink wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-28 Thread Harry Veeder
On 28/1/2008 8:28 AM, Jeff Fink wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: It's the attempt to solve a problem that is important. An ill conceived solution will make matters. Let us not waste resources on crazy solutions, but use them to adapt if necessary. We cannot save civilization by

Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-28 Thread Harry Veeder
On 28/1/2008 8:28 AM, Jeff Fink wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: It's the attempt to solve a problem that is important. An ill conceived solution will make matters. Let us not waste resources on crazy solutions, but use them to adapt if necessary. We cannot save civilization by

Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-28 Thread Taylor J. Smith
Ed Storms wrote on 1-28-08: Some problems have no solution. That is not the issue. It's the attempt to solve a problem that is important. Finding a substitute for oil, for example, may not impact the climate much but it will have many other benefits ... Jack Smith writes: It is critical that

RE: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-28 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
, January 28, 2008 5:53 PM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore R.C.Macaulay wrote: At some point in time it becomes necessary to recognize some problems have no solution tasks and simply turn your head in a stance of inevitiability. Al

Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
R.C.Macaulay wrote: At some point in time it becomes necessary to recognize some problems have no solution tasks and simply turn your head in a stance of inevitiability. Al Gore has profited by profiling global warming and Bono the same with Africa but neither have a solution. Africa is

Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-28 Thread Harry Veeder
for ourselves. Cheers, Lawrence -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 5:53 PM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore R.C.Macaulay wrote: At some point

Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-28 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:31:10 -0500: Hi, [snip] The UN security council needs to be reformed for starters. Harry [snip] I agree - the right of veto should be removed altogether. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.

RE: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-28 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
created for ourselves. Cheers, Lawrence -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 5:53 PM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore R.C.Macaulay wrote: At some point

Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-28 Thread thomas malloy
On 1/28/08, *Harry Veeder* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28/1/2008 8:28 AM, Jeff Fink wrote: I saw a science show on Saturday that said global warming will cause the sahara to get green again, and then they called that a bad thing! How can that be

RE: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-28 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
I understand there are considerable sweet water aquifers under large portions of the Sahara. Lawrence -Original Message- From: thomas malloy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:55 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse

Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-27 Thread R.C.Macaulay
Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al GoreHarry Veeder quotes.. Al Gore The brunt of this climate crisis is going to be felt in the developing world. All your work... will be undone if you don't focus on this, Bono said. It is clear that those people who have least created

Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-27 Thread Terry Blanton
sigh On Jan 27, 2008 12:25 PM, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore by Staff Writers Davos, Switzerland (AFP) Jan 24, 2008 Climate change is occurring far faster than even the worst predictions of the UN's Nobel Prize-winning

Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-27 Thread Edmund Storms
R.C.Macaulay wrote: Harry Veeder quotes.. Al Gore The brunt of this climate crisis is going to be felt in the developing world. All your work... will be undone if you don't focus on this, Bono said. It is clear that those people who have least created this climate crisis... are the

Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-27 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to R.C.Macaulay's message of Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:16:24 -0600: Hi, [snip] The biggest problem in the world is jealousy, vanity, lust and greed. Add drugs to this equation and witness a decay in civilized society. An attorney friend remarked tha he no longer knew what justice is as a

Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore

2008-01-27 Thread R.C.Macaulay
Ed Storms wrote, The response to this deterioration is to apply more force and power. Make people behave rather than give them the freedom and reason to behave. If you want to find the reason for the decay, you might consider this one. Meanwhile the basic beliefs behind the religious