Re: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not

2012-07-09 Thread noone noone
He is not a conman because his technology has been tested too many times by too many people. At worst, he is a paranoid business man due to having very real enemies. If I were in his situation I would be paranoid too. From: Jed Rothwell

Re: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not

2012-07-09 Thread Alain Sepeda
His test are not enough to be death penalty evidence. However the hypothesis of a planned scam can be eliminated (too long story, not enough cash, bad communication). He have said evident lies, evident mistakes that he refuse to admit, but in a grey world it does not prevent to believe part of

RE: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not

2012-07-09 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
, 2012 12:07 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not He is not a conman because his technology has been tested too many times by too many people. At worst, he is a paranoid business man due to having very real enemies. If I were in his

Re: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not

2012-07-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:06 AM 7/9/2012, noone noone wrote: He is not a conman because his technology has been tested too many times by too many people. Brilliant demonstration of how some will confidently state as truth what they don't know, and then use what they have made up -- or have believed from others,

Re: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not

2012-07-09 Thread Chemical Engineer
Like the Wizard in Oz, you only have to believe... On Monday, July 9, 2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 02:06 AM 7/9/2012, noone noone wrote: He is not a conman because his technology has been tested too many times by too many people. Brilliant demonstration of how some will confidently

Re: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not

2012-07-09 Thread Alain Sepeda
Company http://www.amazon.com/Only-Paranoid-Survive-Exploit-Challenge/dp/0385483821 ** ** -Mark ** ** ** ** *From:* noone noone [mailto:thesteornpa...@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Monday, July 09, 2012 12:07 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Why spammers claim

Re: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not

2012-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com mailto:thesteornpa...@yahoo.com wrote: He is not a conman because his technology has been tested too many times by too many people. I agree. But it is unnerving. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not

2012-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Problem is, if there were *one* independent test, by one reliable person, we don't know about it or have any reliable report of it. Yes, we do. Mike McKubre and I both described this. It was discussed at a closed meeting. If you consider

Re: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not

2012-07-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Noone: He is not a conman because his technology has been tested too many times by too many people. Jed: I agree. But it is unnerving. Calling Favoranti... Calling Favoranti... Please pick up phone number six in the main lobby. Time for a re-run:

Re: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not

2012-07-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Thanks for the re-run, Steven. I missed it the first time around. It is fantastic and is founded on the premise that the Rossi reactor works, but is possibly unreliable or unstable (which is roughly my sort-of assesment); however, it's not ridiculously impossible. The story shows why even a

Re: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not

2012-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Yes, we do. Mike McKubre and I both described this. McKubre discussed it in his video lecture at Cafe Scientifique, at SRI. He described the people who did the tests as people he trusts. I trust them too. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not

2012-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: One thing is quite clear: Rossi does not want multiple independent assessments. He does not want the proof that skeptics would need in order to accept this to be available, because he could easily arrange it. That is true. For that matter -- as

Re: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not

2012-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: The only reason people such as Park and the Jasons matter is because they have influence. They often pull strings and derail funding. They are a nuisance. The JASONs is a group of old-fart scientists who control a lot of funding and who love to pull strings and derail other people's

Re: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not

2012-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
I meant undue respect. Not undo. By the way, I did not mean that a test by NASA would not sway anyone. Of course it would. The dataset of successful cold fusion results has swayed a lot of people already. It continues to attract ~10,000 downloads a week. I probably know that in greater detail

Re: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not

2012-07-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:27 PM 7/9/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: A dangerous game, even if he has a solid device, reliable, working safely. Stuff happens. Doubly dangerous if he still has a few details to work out. I do not see anything

Re: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not

2012-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: People who set out to transform society often end up dead. Not technologists. Hardly ever. The best of them. In the work I'm doing, it is suggested that we notice that most of us are not doing anything that would make us worthy of being

RE: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not

2012-07-08 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed sed: ... When I read this, I could not at first think of why it bothered me. Then I realized. I have often said that Rossi could not be a con-man because he inspires no confidence. On the contrary, he makes most people I know want to run for the exits. Now I wonder . . . could it be

RE: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not

2012-07-08 Thread Robert
In discussing Rossi's prey, it may be germaine to look back at this statement, from a PetrolDragon contemporary, in The Magic of Mr. Rossi: Acerbi: “In the years where he was working here, he didn’t produce a single drop of oil, as far as we know. What he did was creating just a media event. He

Re: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not

2012-07-08 Thread Jojo Jaro
had other things I was considering investing in. Jojo - Original Message - From: Robert robert.leguil...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:14 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Why spammers claim to be Nigerian when they are not In discussing Rossi's prey