Meteorite Fragments Are Said to Rain Down on Siberia; 400 Injuries Reported
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/16/world/europe/meteorite-fragments-are-said-to-rain-down-on-siberia.html
Harry
some video
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/15/video-captures-flaming-object-believed-to-be-meteorite/
Harry
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:08 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Meteorite Fragments Are Said to Rain Down on Siberia; 400 Injuries Reported
See:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/15/world/europe/russia-meteor-shower/index.html
Reads like science fiction.
- Jed
This video captures the sound of the explosion and breaking glass:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8dA2A_df0w
This may wake people up and make them realize the need for Spaceguard.
- Jed
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:23:22 -0500
Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
This video captures the sound of the explosion and breaking glass:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8dA2A_df0w
This may wake people up and make them realize the need for Spaceguard.
Why? The last time a big rock
Almost certainly will never happen??? That's the same attitude the
dinosaurs had.
Stewart
Darkmattersalot.com
On Friday, February 15, 2013, Vorl Bek wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:23:22 -0500
Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote:
This video captures the sound of the
Giovanni may be close to correct in his criticism with Dawkins than
Sheldrake.
With Sheldrake - it is more of a case of being on the cutting edge, and
being read out of context. The bleeding edge, as the Brit's like to call it
- is a place where many claims are by nature hard to substantiate
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
And when was the one before that?
No one knows when the last one was. It might have hit the Pacific. The
population was lower. But you are missing the point. Celestial mechanics
are highly predictable. The first thing to determine is how many there are
and
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:04:27 -0500
Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
And when was the one before that?
No one knows when the last one was. It might have hit the Pacific. The
population was lower. But you are missing the point. Celestial
Comets are notoriously unpredictable and unstable so I disagree with your
celestial mechanics
On Friday, February 15, 2013, Vorl Bek wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:04:27 -0500
Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote:
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com javascript:; wrote:
And
The hydrogen (H) is packed to form a hydride before the heat is applied and
it will penetrant only a short way into the bulk of the micro-particle.
***Then how do they achieve a high D/Pd ratio? How many Hydrogen atoms can
fit into a Pd box?
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Axil Axil
A major issue keeps being ignored. The effect CAN NOT occur unless a
basic change is made in the a material. You can apply all the laser
energy or RF frequency you want, but nothing will happen until a
critical change occurs, which I call the NAE. Ordinary materials are
not active without
Dawkins is an example of 'atheist theology' (oxymoron). He seems to desire a
neat, ordered, understandable world without any Creator behind it. He extends
traditional moral concerns to general society, as if they still had a Divine
authority behind them. Why is objective truth important?
I have always been interested in how people describe a Creator. Are
you claiming that the universe resulted from some super intelligent
life-form getting the idea that a new universe would be an interesting
project and then set about creating it? Or is the idea of a creator
an abstract
I will reply later in more details, but besides a lot of unfalsifiable
claims Sheldrake says a lot of false stuff, like most of what he said about
memory and the brain function. There is ton and ton of evidence to show
that indeed mind is in the brain and nowhere else.
Giovanni
On Fri, Feb 15,
The laws of physics derive from a slight alteration of the perfect symmetry
of nothing. Symmetry is the most fundamental principle of natural law. No
much space for patchwork universe there.
Giovanni
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
I have always been
I agree, but as has been noted many times before, Nature always tests
all possibilities until the one that works is found. Presumably, our
universe is here because it worked. We humans are here because we
survived the tests used by Nature to determine what works.
Presumably, many
In other words your God is an experimentalist., or what you call Nature.
Harry
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
I agree, but as has been noted many times before, Nature always tests all
possibilities until the one that works is found. Presumably,
A middle ground - based on expanding Sheldrake's thinking is that group
mind (collective consciousness, or even a collective intelligence combined
with a directed unconsciousness evolved from morphic fields) fits the
definition of divinity in a defensible, scientific way.
Of course, this kind of
Yes, but more exactly a trial-and-errorist.
On Feb 15, 2013, at 10:47 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
In other words your God is an experimentalist., or what you call
Nature.
Harry
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
I agree, but as has been noted many
But whose mind? Which group? I believe minds do communicate in
unconventional ways, but this is a natural aspect of how nature
works. Minds of birds and fish clearly communicate directly. This
behavior can be seen in other animals as well. Even certain humans
have this ability to a
A major issue keeps being ignored. The effect CAN NOT occur unless a basic
change is made in the material. You can apply all the laser energy or RF
frequency you want, but nothing will happen until a critical change occurs,
which I call the NAE.
It all depends on how you consider the material.
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
Yes, but more exactly a trial-and-errorist.
Which is hardly god-like ... it seems to me that the Catholic god
(omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent) is what a true god should be ...
the alpha and omega ... all other
That's the point. To make the concept of Divinity acceptable to science, it
must have the aspect of appearing as nothing special in the sense that it
is natural, evolved, cumulative, all-encompassing, voluntary and timeless.
That does not mean that to any one individual, the concept cannot be
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Comets are notoriously unpredictable and unstable so I disagree with your
celestial mechanics
I was kidding partly. However, comets change more than meteors because they
vent gas. They are active.
If things were so predictable we could just measure
First, I used to be an ardent Creationist but realized that nature does not
allow for such a notion. There's far too much that exists that's just horrible
- and ( seemingly) Really Well Designed - such as Guinea worms, Crocodiles,
Tyrannosaurus Rex and more. A personal Creator would have to be
Friday Nuclear Matinee: Low Energy Nuclear Reactions
The ANS Nuclear Cafe today brings faithful viewers a short interview with
Dr. Joseph M. Zawodny, senior research scientist at NASA Langley Research
Center. Zawodny discusses research on Low Energy Nuclear Reactions at
NASA Langley, and the
http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/15/autos/tesla-model-s/
There are only a half-dozen of these charging stations in the country, and
the closest one for me is almost two hours away... but damn ... these
vehicles are lust-worthy.
Even if LENR becomes commercial, or should I say By the time LENR
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
However, that still allows for a transcendent impersonal God who operates
as a system - and might even answer prayers.
A true god would not answer prayers as he would have created the conditions
that required your
Obvious question:
Was the vector correlated with that of the earth approaching asteroid?
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
See:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/15/world/europe/russia-meteor-shower/index.html
Reads like science fiction.
- Jed
Here you and I agree. I just is!! But what is it? The universe is
not designed for us. We are temporary inhabants just like the
dinosaurs and millions of other life-forms. What is the universe
designed to do? I believe it is designed to acquire awareness. The
awareness starts in the
Ah, see just is in previous section. Einstein was obsessed with
determinism. Didn't like that Heisenberg Principle.
I used to feel the same way but realized that you just run out of causes for
stuff. Things become emergent in our macro world because it's difficult to
neatly explain all the
Here is the latest. Apparently, a chunk of the meteor fell into a lake.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/02/15/russian_meteorite_fragment_may_have_fallen_in_frozen_lake.html
- Jed
If you look at that chip that Zawodny held up for our examination, you will
see 48 different nano-photonic configurations of the test material,
probably carbon nanotubes.
Nasa is on the right track. They need to switch the nanotubes to nickel
nanowire completely covering uniform micro-particles.
Yes !
I'm also tempted by the thought in The Physics of Immortality in which God
appears in the future and works backward thru time to fix things. This would
make a person an atheist ( but only for now) until universal awareness (God)
emerges.
He quoted the revelation to Moses as ( ehyeh
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
There is ton and ton of evidence to show that
indeed mind is in the brain and nowhere else.
How does the fully partitioned mind collapse the wave function outside?
I added the following comment:
The experimental approach and the intention for applying LENR in space
should be be admired. The problem is with the theory being explored.
This theory is flawed in so many ways, all of which have been well
explained in published papers, that I’m amazed that
Here is a video showing the explosion, windows breaking and the broken
windows later on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6uOzFo2MQg
The effect of the explosion in an office (no sound):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6uOzFo2MQg
MAJOR damage to a building shown in photos on this page:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:22 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Obvious question:
Was the vector correlated with that of the earth approaching asteroid?
No, they were almost perpendicular. Pure and delightful coincidence.
I consider it wonderful that these guys are doing this research. How are they
able to be so public and out of reach of the major detractors? Can we expect
the repercussions to come up soon?
Dave
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From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
I am not sure anyone has a good answer to your question Ed. I do not care what
theory they are operating upon at the moment as long as they keep plugging
away. One day we might be able to set them straight, but that will not happen
if they give up too soon. Encourage them in any way that you
The problem Dave is that the theory determines the results. The design
of the apparatus and the expected behavior are all determined by the
theory. If NASA fails, this will be a black mark. Failure is not
treated the same way in LENR as it is in normal science. Beside,
anyone who has
At 12:14 PM 2/15/2013, you wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:22 PM,
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Obvious question:
Was the vector correlated with that of the earth approaching
asteroid?
No, they were almost perpendicular. Pure and delightful
coincidence.
That was my first thought.
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
It looks to me like the chance of earth being hit by a rock that
does real damage is minuscule.
As I mentioned, that idea has been brought into question because the number
of serious asteroid strikes on earth is now thought to be much higher than
people
Nasa like so many others suffers from theory fixation. They fail to look at
other systems for behavior that closely resembles what happens in LENR to
gain insight into the physical mechanisms that underpin both systems.
It is actually these universal mechanisms that are important and not the
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Consider a small object (in this case the meteor) orbiting a large
object (asteroid), as seen from above the orbit.
NASA is now saying that their trajectories were closer to 180 degrees apart.
But, we could calculate the
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
At 12:14 PM 2/15/2013, you wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:22 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Obvious question:
Was the vector correlated with that of the earth approaching asteroid?
No, they were almost
The Moon makes about 13 revolutions in the course of a year.
revolutions around what?
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
At 12:14 PM 2/15/2013, you wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at
ignore me, i just realized the error in my mental model.
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Alexander Hollins
alexander.holl...@gmail.com wrote:
The Moon makes about 13 revolutions in the course of a year.
revolutions around what?
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Harry Veeder
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:52:41 -0500
Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
They determined that the most recent catastrophic strike was in the year
536 AD, in the ocean north of Australia. This caused global-wide disruption.
See this 2008 article:
also it was 28 years ago.
Harry
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Alexander Hollins
alexander.holl...@gmail.com wrote:
ignore me, i just realized the error in my mental model.
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Alexander Hollins
alexander.holl...@gmail.com wrote:
The Moon makes about 13
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
So 1500 years ago a rock falling into the ocean caused a couple of cold
years, about the equivalent of the Tambora explosion of 1815. European
civilization survived that with nary a hiccup.
If it had hit land (30 percent chance) it would have caused
At 03:06 PM 2/15/2013, Jed Rothwell wrote:
If the 1908 Tunguska meteor had struck a city, it would have
completely destroyed it. Even the largest city such as London,
Paris or New York would have been completely leveled.
Nature comment (we know they're an unbiased source!)
Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Nature comment (we know they're an unbiased source!)
On a subject like this I consider them unbiased. They are only biased
against a limited number of things such as cold fusion. A person's bias or
prejudice is often highly selective to one subject area, and
As spherical object with that size and made of water would weight ~1800
tons. If that's an iron asteroid, that would give over 10 thousand tons.
In terms of explosive power, it should be equivalent between 0.2 and 1
Megaton
2013/2/15 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
They say the object
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:06:15 -0500
Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
So 1500 years ago a rock falling into the ocean caused a couple of cold
years, about the equivalent of the Tambora explosion of 1815. European
civilization survived that
A comment in line with my sine vs cycloid thinking :
http://science.slashdot.org/story/13/02/15/1747226/asteroid-2012-da14-approaches?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanonutm_medium=feed
Re:are we sure it has nothing to do with DA14? (Score:4, Informative)
by Clueless Moron (548336) on Friday February
It is good to remember that when electric vehicles goes into
mainstream — around
early 2020's, there will be (wireless) solar/wind charging option in every
parking lot. Charging option will be free only when there is oversupply of
solar and wind power.
—Jouni
On 15 February 2013 21:13, Jones
A comment in line with my sine vs cycloid thinking :
Indeed, it gives an orbital period of 153 millenia -- so they're
pretty much travelling in the same direction. No cycloid motion.
153372146.1years
Oops : not 153 MILLennia .. but 153 MEGennia
I would like to see a plot of the orbit of the rock that hit Russia. It may be
possible that it was associated with the asteroid a very long time ago and
became deflected on a fly by that happened when no one was looking. I suspect
that the time frame for near misses of the pair would vary,
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
**
However, that still allows for a transcendent impersonal God who operates
as a system - and might even answer prayers.
This sounds a lot like deism. Many of the philosophers, scientists and
public intellectuals of
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:21 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I am not sure anyone has a good answer to your question Ed. I do not care
what theory they are operating upon at the moment as long as they keep
plugging away.
That's right -- it should be like Newton's method for
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
If NASA fails, this will be a black mark. Failure is not treated the same
way in LENR as it is in normal science. Beside, anyone who has studied the
theory must wonder about the competence at NASA.
Honestly, if LENR
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 8:08 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
The fact that both of these events happened so close together just does not
seem likely since both are infrequent. Talk of a miracle in cold fusion;
this seems like one in astronomy.
I suspect these events only seem
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