Re: [Vo]:Re: great paper by Ed Storms, quarrel, a bit of info

2016-04-26 Thread Lennart Thornros
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[Vo]:Re: great paper by Ed Storms, quarrel, a bit of info

2016-04-25 Thread Bob Cook
Ruby-- You noted: ”Alas it is true, scientists are human, and many see only what they expect to see, so the obvious to one is not the obvious to another.” Not to drive a dead horse, but I would not call the “many” that “see only what they expect to see” scientists. That state of mind keeps

Re: [Vo]:Re: great paper by Ed Storms, quarrel, a bit of info

2016-04-25 Thread Ruby
Thank you Bob for clarifying that. I did not know what you meant. I do agree, science should not reject obvious data -by definition! Alas it is true, scientists are human, and many see only what they expect to see, so the obvious to one is not the obvious to another. LENR is unique in that

[Vo]:Re: great paper by Ed Storms, quarrel, a bit of info

2016-04-25 Thread Bob Cook
Ruby-- Ruby-- I appreciate your comment. I had to think about what the quote meant for some time. I did read Ed’s paper and agree with a lot of it, particularly the establishment’s influence on LENR research over the years. I looked at the literal meaning of his quote and concluded

Re: [Vo]:Re: great paper by Ed Storms, quarrel, a bit of info

2016-04-25 Thread Ruby
Bob, you are quoting out of context. I am guessing you did not read the paper yet, for in this case, "the obvious" refers to "the scientific results". That is to say "accept the experimental results and form a theory around the data", not ignore what doesn't fit one's model. The

[Vo]:Re: great paper by Ed Storms, quarrel, a bit of info

2016-04-25 Thread Bob Cook
Peter-- You quoted Ed Storms as follows: “Once again, science has been forced to either reject the obvious or accept the impossible” (Ed Storms) IMHO the bread and butter of science is accepting the impossible and trying to explain it in a logical manner based on observations of real