Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems

2018-05-11 Thread Axil Axil
Rossi's ‘the mouse and the cat’ is another reason to beleive that polariton
condensation is at the bottom of the Rossi technology. It has recently been
shown that Bose condensates will synchronize in milliseconds through the
sharing of energy.  ‘the mouse and the cat’ is an array of reactors where
one master reactor is powered and the other reactors are unpowered drones.
The cat is the driver. The cat syncs up through polariton condinsation with
all the other unpowered drones to form a global condensate that covers both
powered master reactor and unpowered drone reactors.

​
https://phys.org/news/2018-05-unexpected-behaviour-atom-clouds-theories.html
​

Unexpected behaviour of atom clouds challenges existing theories


On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 2:23 AM, Russ <russ.geo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The first task in any new experimental protocol is to make sure that one
> can see some useful data that emerges. Cold fusion heat comes at the behest
> of nearly a trillion fusion reactions per watt/second. Nothing like that
> level of the lovely gammas being seen, millions of times less.  This is a
> testimony to the precision and sensitivity of the system and methods
> designed to monitor these experiments. Such sensitive insight into the
> heart of the reactions offers one the means to understand and discover what
> is going on and how to drive the multiplicity of reactions taking place in
> that complex atom-ecology. As my good friend Tom Passell always said to me,
> “let the data speak to you.” The corollary to that sage advice is don’t
> drown the data with one’s own talk.
>
>
>
> So far listening to the lovely gamma data that is speaking there is no
> reason to suggest it is bremsstrahlung and indeed every reason to think
> otherwise. The gamma producing cold fusion pathways are clearly not the
> principal cold fusion taking place in these experiments. It is however
> lovely to see them just the same and they are an incredible diagnostic
> tool. Don’t forget Rossi’s admonishment about ‘the mouse and the cat’ 
> It should be a simple matter now to leapfrog those Italian cats.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 11, 2018 7:06 AM
> *To:* vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
> *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems
>
>
>
> MFMP continues on with the discussion of the "signal" and talks about
> gamma radiation that has been produced by old school LENR reactors.
>
>
>
> The "signal" may have been seen is Rossi's old style reactors as a startup
> artifact.
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtTeHU4vBmc
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 1:50 AM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A sub-second flash of  Bremsstrahlung has been seen in LENR experiments,
> immediately followed by the appearance of heat.  Science has been looking
> for this as a sign of the formation of Hole superconductivity. This kind of
> superconductivity is an alternative to the standard beliefs that hold sway
> in superconductive theory. Leif Holmlid has adopted this theory to explain
> how ultra dense hydrogen becomes superconductive.
>
>
>
> In my view, what MFMP saw was the onset of  Hole superconductivity as the
> density of individual polaritons reached the condensation threshold and
> formed a polariton condensate. The onset of heat production came from the
> condensate. The  Bremsstrahlung is produced by the expulsion of electrons
> from inside the polariton condensate at high energies.
>
>
>
> There is a fair chance that the bursts of gammas coming from Russ's
> experiment turn out to be  Bremsstrahlung; then the LENR reaction in
> Russ's reactor may be flickering.
>
>
>
> See MFMP's experimental views
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ALuWrmXBo=249s
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 1:22 AM, Russ <russ.geo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The notion of a ‘flash of gammas’ being what is there is just wrong. There
> is a steady state production of gammas in these sorts of cold fusion
> ecologies. Rossi knows this well and has shared more than enough of his
> protocol to confirm that is what he also has in hand.
>
>
>
> The use of the moniker LENR was and is never more than a obvious banal
> dodge to avoid the howls of outrage against the term ‘cold fusion’ and all
> who dared to work in that venue. There is nothing ‘low energy’ about these
> reactions, rather they are entirely new pathways atoms take in the ecology
> of cold fusion where energetic emissions are not favoured. Making minor
> adjustments to the atom-ecology environments enhances the emission of the
> energetic emissions.
>
>
>
> Ain’t real science do

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems

2018-05-11 Thread Russ
The first task in any new experimental protocol is to make sure that one can 
see some useful data that emerges. Cold fusion heat comes at the behest of 
nearly a trillion fusion reactions per watt/second. Nothing like that level of 
the lovely gammas being seen, millions of times less.  This is a testimony to 
the precision and sensitivity of the system and methods designed to monitor 
these experiments. Such sensitive insight into the heart of the reactions 
offers one the means to understand and discover what is going on and how to 
drive the multiplicity of reactions taking place in that complex atom-ecology. 
As my good friend Tom Passell always said to me, “let the data speak to you.” 
The corollary to that sage advice is don’t drown the data with one’s own talk. 

 

So far listening to the lovely gamma data that is speaking there is no reason 
to suggest it is bremsstrahlung and indeed every reason to think otherwise. The 
gamma producing cold fusion pathways are clearly not the principal cold fusion 
taking place in these experiments. It is however lovely to see them just the 
same and they are an incredible diagnostic tool. Don’t forget Rossi’s 
admonishment about ‘the mouse and the cat’  It should be a simple matter now 
to leapfrog those Italian cats. 

 

 

From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 7:06 AM
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems

 

MFMP continues on with the discussion of the "signal" and talks about gamma 
radiation that has been produced by old school LENR reactors.

 

The "signal" may have been seen is Rossi's old style reactors as a startup 
artifact. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtTeHU4vBmc

 

On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 1:50 AM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com 
<mailto:janap...@gmail.com> > wrote:

A sub-second flash of  Bremsstrahlung has been seen in LENR experiments, 
immediately followed by the appearance of heat.  Science has been looking for 
this as a sign of the formation of Hole superconductivity. This kind of 
superconductivity is an alternative to the standard beliefs that hold sway in 
superconductive theory. Leif Holmlid has adopted this theory to explain how 
ultra dense hydrogen becomes superconductive. 

 

In my view, what MFMP saw was the onset of  Hole superconductivity as the 
density of individual polaritons reached the condensation threshold and formed 
a polariton condensate. The onset of heat production came from the condensate. 
The  Bremsstrahlung is produced by the expulsion of electrons from inside the 
polariton condensate at high energies.

 

There is a fair chance that the bursts of gammas coming from Russ's experiment 
turn out to be  Bremsstrahlung; then the LENR reaction in Russ's reactor may be 
flickering.

 

See MFMP's experimental views

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ALuWrmXBo 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ALuWrmXBo=249s> =249s

 

 

 

On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 1:22 AM, Russ <russ.geo...@gmail.com 
<mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The notion of a ‘flash of gammas’ being what is there is just wrong. There is a 
steady state production of gammas in these sorts of cold fusion ecologies. 
Rossi knows this well and has shared more than enough of his protocol to 
confirm that is what he also has in hand. 

 

The use of the moniker LENR was and is never more than a obvious banal dodge to 
avoid the howls of outrage against the term ‘cold fusion’ and all who dared to 
work in that venue. There is nothing ‘low energy’ about these reactions, rather 
they are entirely new pathways atoms take in the ecology of cold fusion where 
energetic emissions are not favoured. Making minor adjustments to the 
atom-ecology environments enhances the emission of the energetic emissions. 

 

Ain’t real science done at the lab bench wonderful! As Thomas Edison said from 
his lab bench, ‘Hell there are no rules here, we are trying to accomplish 
something.” 

 

From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com <mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>  
<bobcook39...@hotmail.com <mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 5:00 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> 
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems

 

Fran—

 

Good questions!

 

A good spectrum analyzer would answer questions about the flash of EM radiation 
of the Rossi tests.  I assume he knows the answer and that gammas are not 
produced that would otherwise harm the observers.  

 

However, I doubt the flash is the result of a large energetic (Mev-scale) 
nuclear transition with gammas that are somehow perfectly shielded as suggested 
by Axil.  

 

The idea of an LENR with emphasis on “LOW ENERGY” is an  important feature of 
the source of energy in the Rossi reaction.  

 

The flash that has been  observed by many folks IMHO is an initial ionization 
of Li atoms an

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems

2018-05-11 Thread Axil Axil
MFMP continues on with the discussion of the "signal" and talks about gamma
radiation that has been produced by old school LENR reactors.

The "signal" may have been seen is Rossi's old style reactors as a startup
artifact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtTeHU4vBmc

On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 1:50 AM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A sub-second flash of  Bremsstrahlung has been seen in LENR experiments,
> immediately followed by the appearance of heat.  Science has been looking
> for this as a sign of the formation of Hole superconductivity. This kind of
> superconductivity is an alternative to the standard beliefs that hold sway
> in superconductive theory. Leif Holmlid has adopted this theory to explain
> how ultra dense hydrogen becomes superconductive.
>
> In my view, what MFMP saw was the onset of  Hole superconductivity as the
> density of individual polaritons reached the condensation threshold and
> formed a polariton condensate. The onset of heat production came from the
> condensate. The  Bremsstrahlung is produced by the expulsion of electrons
> from inside the polariton condensate at high energies.
>
> There is a fair chance that the bursts of gammas coming from Russ's
> experiment turn out to be  Bremsstrahlung; then the LENR reaction in
> Russ's reactor may be flickering.
>
> See MFMP's experimental views
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ALuWrmXBo=249s
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 1:22 AM, Russ <russ.geo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The notion of a ‘flash of gammas’ being what is there is just wrong.
>> There is a steady state production of gammas in these sorts of cold fusion
>> ecologies. Rossi knows this well and has shared more than enough of his
>> protocol to confirm that is what he also has in hand.
>>
>>
>>
>> The use of the moniker LENR was and is never more than a obvious banal
>> dodge to avoid the howls of outrage against the term ‘cold fusion’ and all
>> who dared to work in that venue. There is nothing ‘low energy’ about these
>> reactions, rather they are entirely new pathways atoms take in the ecology
>> of cold fusion where energetic emissions are not favoured. Making minor
>> adjustments to the atom-ecology environments enhances the emission of the
>> energetic emissions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ain’t real science done at the lab bench wonderful! As Thomas Edison said
>> from his lab bench, ‘Hell there are no rules here, we are trying to
>> accomplish something.”
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* bobcook39...@hotmail.com <bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 10, 2018 5:00 PM
>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> *Subject:* RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems
>>
>>
>>
>> Fran—
>>
>>
>>
>> Good questions!
>>
>>
>>
>> A good spectrum analyzer would answer questions about the flash of EM
>> radiation of the Rossi tests.  I assume he knows the answer and that gammas
>> are not produced that would otherwise harm the observers.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, I doubt the flash is the result of a large energetic (Mev-scale)
>> nuclear transition with gammas that are somehow perfectly shielded as
>> suggested by Axil.
>>
>>
>>
>> The idea of an LENR with emphasis on “LOW ENERGY” is an  important
>> feature of the source of energy in the Rossi reaction.
>>
>>
>>
>> The flash that has been  observed by many folks IMHO is an initial
>> ionization of Li atoms and formation of a significant electrical current
>> across the dusty plasma  of the Rossi reactor.  A charge may  accumulate
>> rapidly on the population of nano-Ni particles as individual LENR happens
>> to the various particles.  The flash may be the signal used by the control
>> system to change resonant conditions to reduce the LENR transition
>> probability in the population of nano-Ni particles to avoid high
>> temperatures and nano-particle sintering.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Cook
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From:* Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 10, 2018 4:56:28 AM
>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> *Subject:* RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems
>>
>>
>>
>> Axil, your distinction does answer my question whether the polariton
>> condensate alone is a source of LENR, you are saying polariton condensates
>> and nano geometry of metal surfaces can produce LENR and dangerous gamma
>> radiation alone without any fuel. I know you mentioned the super
>> absorbti

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems

2018-05-10 Thread Axil Axil
A sub-second flash of  Bremsstrahlung has been seen in LENR experiments,
immediately followed by the appearance of heat.  Science has been looking
for this as a sign of the formation of Hole superconductivity. This kind of
superconductivity is an alternative to the standard beliefs that hold sway
in superconductive theory. Leif Holmlid has adopted this theory to explain
how ultra dense hydrogen becomes superconductive.

In my view, what MFMP saw was the onset of  Hole superconductivity as the
density of individual polaritons reached the condensation threshold and
formed a polariton condensate. The onset of heat production came from the
condensate. The  Bremsstrahlung is produced by the expulsion of electrons
from inside the polariton condensate at high energies.

There is a fair chance that the bursts of gammas coming from Russ's
experiment turn out to be  Bremsstrahlung; then the LENR reaction in Russ's
reactor may be flickering.

See MFMP's experimental views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ALuWrmXBo=249s



On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 1:22 AM, Russ <russ.geo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The notion of a ‘flash of gammas’ being what is there is just wrong. There
> is a steady state production of gammas in these sorts of cold fusion
> ecologies. Rossi knows this well and has shared more than enough of his
> protocol to confirm that is what he also has in hand.
>
>
>
> The use of the moniker LENR was and is never more than a obvious banal
> dodge to avoid the howls of outrage against the term ‘cold fusion’ and all
> who dared to work in that venue. There is nothing ‘low energy’ about these
> reactions, rather they are entirely new pathways atoms take in the ecology
> of cold fusion where energetic emissions are not favoured. Making minor
> adjustments to the atom-ecology environments enhances the emission of the
> energetic emissions.
>
>
>
> Ain’t real science done at the lab bench wonderful! As Thomas Edison said
> from his lab bench, ‘Hell there are no rules here, we are trying to
> accomplish something.”
>
>
>
> *From:* bobcook39...@hotmail.com <bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 10, 2018 5:00 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems
>
>
>
> Fran—
>
>
>
> Good questions!
>
>
>
> A good spectrum analyzer would answer questions about the flash of EM
> radiation of the Rossi tests.  I assume he knows the answer and that gammas
> are not produced that would otherwise harm the observers.
>
>
>
> However, I doubt the flash is the result of a large energetic (Mev-scale)
> nuclear transition with gammas that are somehow perfectly shielded as
> suggested by Axil.
>
>
>
> The idea of an LENR with emphasis on “LOW ENERGY” is an  important feature
> of the source of energy in the Rossi reaction.
>
>
>
> The flash that has been  observed by many folks IMHO is an initial
> ionization of Li atoms and formation of a significant electrical current
> across the dusty plasma  of the Rossi reactor.  A charge may  accumulate
> rapidly on the population of nano-Ni particles as individual LENR happens
> to the various particles.  The flash may be the signal used by the control
> system to change resonant conditions to reduce the LENR transition
> probability in the population of nano-Ni particles to avoid high
> temperatures and nano-particle sintering.
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
> ------
>
> *From:* Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 10, 2018 4:56:28 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems
>
>
>
> Axil, your distinction does answer my question whether the polariton
> condensate alone is a source of LENR, you are saying polariton condensates
> and nano geometry of metal surfaces can produce LENR and dangerous gamma
> radiation alone without any fuel. I know you mentioned the super
> absorbtion/radiance features of a polariton condensate as a
> thermalizer/downshifter but wasn’t sure if the “pumping source” was over
> unity or you were just using external energy to create a polariton
> condensate shield / radiator to activate fuel contained in the cavity. Was
> the claim of a Gamma spike in early Rossi demo possibly an example of
> pumped polariton condensate where pockets of the nickel powder metal
> surfaces were starved for fuel or it simply hadn’t yet loaded into the
> lattice?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com <janap...@gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 09, 2018 4:05 PM
> *To:* vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems
>
>
>
> I would like to 

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems

2018-05-10 Thread Russ
The notion of a 'flash of gammas' being what is there is just wrong. There
is a steady state production of gammas in these sorts of cold fusion
ecologies. Rossi knows this well and has shared more than enough of his
protocol to confirm that is what he also has in hand. 

 

The use of the moniker LENR was and is never more than a obvious banal dodge
to avoid the howls of outrage against the term 'cold fusion' and all who
dared to work in that venue. There is nothing 'low energy' about these
reactions, rather they are entirely new pathways atoms take in the ecology
of cold fusion where energetic emissions are not favoured. Making minor
adjustments to the atom-ecology environments enhances the emission of the
energetic emissions. 

 

Ain't real science done at the lab bench wonderful! As Thomas Edison said
from his lab bench, 'Hell there are no rules here, we are trying to
accomplish something." 

 

From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com <bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 5:00 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems

 

Fran-

 

Good questions!

 

A good spectrum analyzer would answer questions about the flash of EM
radiation of the Rossi tests.  I assume he knows the answer and that gammas
are not produced that would otherwise harm the observers.  

 

However, I doubt the flash is the result of a large energetic (Mev-scale)
nuclear transition with gammas that are somehow perfectly shielded as
suggested by Axil.  

 

The idea of an LENR with emphasis on "LOW ENERGY" is an  important feature
of the source of energy in the Rossi reaction.  

 

The flash that has been  observed by many folks IMHO is an initial
ionization of Li atoms and formation of a significant electrical current
across the dusty plasma  of the Rossi reactor.  A charge may  accumulate
rapidly on the population of nano-Ni particles as individual LENR happens to
the various particles.  The flash may be the signal used by the control
system to change resonant conditions to reduce the LENR transition
probability in the population of nano-Ni particles to avoid high
temperatures and nano-particle sintering.  

 

Bob Cook 

 

  _  

From: Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com
<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> >
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 4:56:28 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems 

 

Axil, your distinction does answer my question whether the polariton
condensate alone is a source of LENR, you are saying polariton condensates
and nano geometry of metal surfaces can produce LENR and dangerous gamma
radiation alone without any fuel. I know you mentioned the super
absorbtion/radiance features of a polariton condensate as a
thermalizer/downshifter but wasn't sure if the "pumping source" was over
unity or you were just using external energy to create a polariton
condensate shield / radiator to activate fuel contained in the cavity. Was
the claim of a Gamma spike in early Rossi demo possibly an example of pumped
polariton condensate where pockets of the nickel powder metal surfaces were
starved for fuel or it simply hadn't yet loaded into the lattice?

 

 

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 4:05 PM
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> >
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems

 

I would like to draw a fundamental distinction between two classes of LENR
systems: Fueled and unfueled systems. In the 2011 time-frame when Rossi saw
gamma, he was running an unfueled system,so was Piantelli and Celani. Russ
George is now experimenting with an unfueled system.

The development of LENR fuel came latter as an innovation by Rossi. I
speculate that Rossi found that when he reused ash from his reactors, they
were very LENR active. Rossi perfected LENR fuel and started to use it in
his tube reactors. The fuel was self contained and could be loaded in air.
With this fuel, the hydrogen nickel reaction did not seem to matter anymore.
Lugano is an example,

Also gamma commissions went away when using LENR Fuel.

I beleive that the active agent in LENR fuel is ultra dense hydrogen. Rossi,
me356, the ECCO reactor and the LION reactor all use LENR fuel. Gamma will
not come from these systems since ultra dense hydrogen is a superconductor.
UDH has a near perfect Q factor and forms a condensate immediately and
instantly.

I have advised any LENR reactor builders who will lessen to produce LENR
fuel directly by acquiring a Holmlid UDH generator. Just load that UDH into
a tube reactor and you are good to go.

 



RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems

2018-05-10 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
Fran—

Good questions!

A good spectrum analyzer would answer questions about the flash of EM radiation 
of the Rossi tests.  I assume he knows the answer and that gammas are not 
produced that would otherwise harm the observers.

However, I doubt the flash is the result of a large energetic (Mev-scale) 
nuclear transition with gammas that are somehow perfectly shielded as suggested 
by Axil.

The idea of an LENR with emphasis on “LOW ENERGY” is an  important feature of 
the source of energy in the Rossi reaction.

The flash that has been  observed by many folks IMHO is an initial ionization 
of Li atoms and formation of a significant electrical current across the dusty 
plasma  of the Rossi reactor.  A charge may  accumulate rapidly on the 
population of nano-Ni particles as individual LENR happens to the various 
particles.  The flash may be the signal used by the control system to change 
resonant conditions to reduce the LENR transition probability in the population 
of nano-Ni particles to avoid high temperatures and nano-particle sintering.

Bob Cook


From: Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 4:56:28 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems

Axil, your distinction does answer my question whether the polariton condensate 
alone is a source of LENR, you are saying polariton condensates and nano 
geometry of metal surfaces can produce LENR and dangerous gamma radiation alone 
without any fuel. I know you mentioned the super absorbtion/radiance features 
of a polariton condensate as a thermalizer/downshifter but wasn’t sure if the 
“pumping source” was over unity or you were just using external energy to 
create a polariton condensate shield / radiator to activate fuel contained in 
the cavity. Was the claim of a Gamma spike in early Rossi demo possibly an 
example of pumped polariton condensate where pockets of the nickel powder metal 
surfaces were starved for fuel or it simply hadn’t yet loaded into the lattice?


From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 4:05 PM
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems


I would like to draw a fundamental distinction between two classes of LENR 
systems: Fueled and unfueled systems. In the 2011 time-frame when Rossi saw 
gamma, he was running an unfueled system,so was Piantelli and Celani. Russ 
George is now experimenting with an unfueled system.

The development of LENR fuel came latter as an innovation by Rossi. I speculate 
that Rossi found that when he reused ash from his reactors, they were very LENR 
active. Rossi perfected LENR fuel and started to use it in his tube reactors. 
The fuel was self contained and could be loaded in air. With this fuel, the 
hydrogen nickel reaction did not seem to matter anymore. Lugano is an example,

Also gamma commissions went away when using LENR Fuel.

I beleive that the active agent in LENR fuel is ultra dense hydrogen. Rossi, 
me356, the ECCO reactor and the LION reactor all use LENR fuel. Gamma will not 
come from these systems since ultra dense hydrogen is a superconductor. UDH has 
a near perfect Q factor and forms a condensate immediately and instantly.

I have advised any LENR reactor builders who will lessen to produce LENR fuel 
directly by acquiring a Holmlid UDH generator. Just load that UDH into a tube 
reactor and you are good to go.



RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems

2018-05-10 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Axil, your distinction does answer my question whether the polariton condensate 
alone is a source of LENR, you are saying polariton condensates and nano 
geometry of metal surfaces can produce LENR and dangerous gamma radiation alone 
without any fuel. I know you mentioned the super absorbtion/radiance features 
of a polariton condensate as a thermalizer/downshifter but wasn’t sure if the 
“pumping source” was over unity or you were just using external energy to 
create a polariton condensate shield / radiator to activate fuel contained in 
the cavity. Was the claim of a Gamma spike in early Rossi demo possibly an 
example of pumped polariton condensate where pockets of the nickel powder metal 
surfaces were starved for fuel or it simply hadn’t yet loaded into the lattice?


From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 4:05 PM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems


I would like to draw a fundamental distinction between two classes of LENR 
systems: Fueled and unfueled systems. In the 2011 time-frame when Rossi saw 
gamma, he was running an unfueled system,so was Piantelli and Celani. Russ 
George is now experimenting with an unfueled system.

The development of LENR fuel came latter as an innovation by Rossi. I speculate 
that Rossi found that when he reused ash from his reactors, they were very LENR 
active. Rossi perfected LENR fuel and started to use it in his tube reactors. 
The fuel was self contained and could be loaded in air. With this fuel, the 
hydrogen nickel reaction did not seem to matter anymore. Lugano is an example,

Also gamma commissions went away when using LENR Fuel.

I beleive that the active agent in LENR fuel is ultra dense hydrogen. Rossi, 
me356, the ECCO reactor and the LION reactor all use LENR fuel. Gamma will not 
come from these systems since ultra dense hydrogen is a superconductor. UDH has 
a near perfect Q factor and forms a condensate immediately and instantly.

I have advised any LENR reactor builders who will lessen to produce LENR fuel 
directly by acquiring a Holmlid UDH generator. Just load that UDH into a tube 
reactor and you are good to go.