The notion of a 'flash of gammas' being what is there is just wrong. There
is a steady state production of gammas in these sorts of cold fusion
ecologies. Rossi knows this well and has shared more than enough of his
protocol to confirm that is what he also has in hand. 


The use of the moniker LENR was and is never more than a obvious banal dodge
to avoid the howls of outrage against the term 'cold fusion' and all who
dared to work in that venue. There is nothing 'low energy' about these
reactions, rather they are entirely new pathways atoms take in the ecology
of cold fusion where energetic emissions are not favoured. Making minor
adjustments to the atom-ecology environments enhances the emission of the
energetic emissions. 


Ain't real science done at the lab bench wonderful! As Thomas Edison said
from his lab bench, 'Hell there are no rules here, we are trying to
accomplish something." 


From: <> 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems




Good questions!


A good spectrum analyzer would answer questions about the flash of EM
radiation of the Rossi tests.  I assume he knows the answer and that gammas
are not produced that would otherwise harm the observers.  


However, I doubt the flash is the result of a large energetic (Mev-scale)
nuclear transition with gammas that are somehow perfectly shielded as
suggested by Axil.  


The idea of an LENR with emphasis on "LOW ENERGY" is an  important feature
of the source of energy in the Rossi reaction.  


The flash that has been  observed by many folks IMHO is an initial
ionization of Li atoms and formation of a significant electrical current
across the dusty plasma  of the Rossi reactor.  A charge may  accumulate
rapidly on the population of nano-Ni particles as individual LENR happens to
the various particles.  The flash may be the signal used by the control
system to change resonant conditions to reduce the LENR transition
probability in the population of nano-Ni particles to avoid high
temperatures and nano-particle sintering.  


Bob Cook 



From: Roarty, Francis X <
<> >
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 4:56:28 AM
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems 


Axil, your distinction does answer my question whether the polariton
condensate alone is a source of LENR, you are saying polariton condensates
and nano geometry of metal surfaces can produce LENR and dangerous gamma
radiation alone without any fuel. I know you mentioned the super
absorbtion/radiance features of a polariton condensate as a
thermalizer/downshifter but wasn't sure if the "pumping source" was over
unity or you were just using external energy to create a polariton
condensate shield / radiator to activate fuel contained in the cavity. Was
the claim of a Gamma spike in early Rossi demo possibly an example of pumped
polariton condensate where pockets of the nickel powder metal surfaces were
starved for fuel or it simply hadn't yet loaded into the lattice?



From: Axil Axil [] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 4:05 PM
To: vortex-l < <> >
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems


I would like to draw a fundamental distinction between two classes of LENR
systems: Fueled and unfueled systems. In the 2011 time-frame when Rossi saw
gamma, he was running an unfueled system,so was Piantelli and Celani. Russ
George is now experimenting with an unfueled system.

The development of LENR fuel came latter as an innovation by Rossi. I
speculate that Rossi found that when he reused ash from his reactors, they
were very LENR active. Rossi perfected LENR fuel and started to use it in
his tube reactors. The fuel was self contained and could be loaded in air.
With this fuel, the hydrogen nickel reaction did not seem to matter anymore.
Lugano is an example,

Also gamma commissions went away when using LENR Fuel.

I beleive that the active agent in LENR fuel is ultra dense hydrogen. Rossi,
me356, the ECCO reactor and the LION reactor all use LENR fuel. Gamma will
not come from these systems since ultra dense hydrogen is a superconductor.
UDH has a near perfect Q factor and forms a condensate immediately and

I have advised any LENR reactor builders who will lessen to produce LENR
fuel directly by acquiring a Holmlid UDH generator. Just load that UDH into
a tube reactor and you are good to go.


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