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Daniel, I apologize. As I wrote the message, your contribution was indented. That was somehow lost. Looking carefully, I see that the quotation marker is missing from your intented material in my original copy, and then the indent itself disappears from what appeared in Vortex. I'm not sure I understand this. Now providing an quoted text marker, here is what I intended to write: At 04:25 PM 8/4/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Daniel Rocha mailto:danieldi...@gmail.comdanieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed that Krivit used his death to promote WL theory... He also put himself front and center in someone else's obituary, which is bad form. Jed used indent, probably a tab, rather than quote level indicator, and what I had was simply automatically copied from him (by hitting Reply). I was, however, somewhat disagreeing with you as well. I don't see Krivits action there as fairly characterized as attempting to promote WL theory. Just as him saying what was important to him. But I went into this in detail in my response. At 08:01 PM 8/5/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: Abd, I didn`t complain about the format. That was Jed`s part. I don`t know why his comment is doing beside mine in your quote. 2012/8/5 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com At 04:25 PM 8/4/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Daniel Rocha mailto:danieldi...@gmail.comdanieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed that Krivit used his death to promote WL theory... He also put himself front and center in someone else's obituary, which is bad form. I'm going to disagree. If this was the only obituary, okay, bad form. But this is Krivit's blog, and he has a story which is important to him. If we were to buy that New Energy Times is some kind of neutral publication, objectively reporting, it would be a problem. But this isn't even a formal NET issue. It's his blog entry. [etc.] -- Daniel Rocha - RJ mailto:danieldi...@gmail.comdanieldi...@gmail.com
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Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: He also put himself front and center in someone else's obituary, which is bad form. I don't see Krivits action there as fairly characterized as attempting to promote WL theory. Hey, I was just making a minor kvetch! Overall it was a nice obit. He can promote the WL theory all he wants. It is his web site. Why not promote it? What harm? - Jed
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The exact quote from Beaudette at 40:50 into the mp3 recording linked below: If Pons and Fleischmann would be so cooperative today as to conveniently die, tomorrow, I suspect, the most prominent critics would say, 'Well, maybe its time now to give the field a second look.' On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 7:56 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Charles Beaudette, in his MIT lecturehttp://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/views/Group1/Beaudette-LincolnLab.shtmlquipped that if Fleischmann and Pons would have the good manners (not sure the exact wording) to die, cold fusion research could become respectable. Note, I am not suggesting that anyone go kill Pons. On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/08/04/fleischmann-dead-at-85-end-of-an-era/ -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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On 2012-08-04 22:36, Daniel Rocha wrote: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/08/04/fleischmann-dead-at-85-end-of-an-era/ Here's an article from The Salt Lake Tribune: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54640856-78/fleischmann-fusion-cold-pons.html.csp Cheers, S.A.
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Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Here's an article from The Salt Lake Tribune: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/**news/54640856-78/fleischmann-** fusion-cold-pons.html.csphttp://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54640856-78/fleischmann-fusion-cold-pons.html.csp Yikes. That one is depressing. The article is depressing and so are the stupid comments below it. Steve Krivit, bless his heart, apparently thinks . . . well I am not sure WHAT he thinks. He wrote: Remember that the early discoverers of fission did not immediately understand why certain materials were producing heat with apparently no loss in mass. We'll do our best to remember! Maybe he thinks: They discovered special relativity before radioactivity. It is possible to measure the lost mass from nuclear reactions. (Nope. Too small to detect) Energetic chemical reactions cause lost mass. (Huh? Chemical ash plus CO2 is, of course, heavier than the original mass of C, as chemists discovered when they first inventoried the products of combustion. There is lost mass from relativity. The same amount per joule as for nuclear reactions.) - Jed
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Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote: Krivit makes you more than stop and think. A decent person would not use the death of another to further themselves. Krivit is not a decent person. Martin Fleishmann deserves better. Oh, heck, it's nothing. Krivit has done some things in the past that upset me, but this is just silly. It is bad form to put yourself in the limelight in someone else's obit, or to use it as a platform to advocate theory. But no big deal. The rest of the obit is pretty good. Nice photos. - Jed
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/08/04/the-state-of-the-cold-fusion-market/ Many have argued that the discrediting of Fleischmann and Pons was driven and used by others in the science world to further their own careers and to promote “big science” experiments with “hot fusion.” Who ever said that FP were trying to promote hot fusion? T
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Re-read that sentence ... carefully, this time. [Mark Gibbs] On Sunday, August 5, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/08/04/the-state-of-the-cold-fusion-market/ Many have argued that the discrediting of Fleischmann and Pons was driven and used by others in the science world to further their own careers and to promote “big science” experiments with “hot fusion.” Who ever said that FP were trying to promote hot fusion? T
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I agree with Mark on this one and credit him with a more balanced summary of the state of things this go around On Sunday, August 5, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/08/04/the-state-of-the-cold-fusion-market/ Many have argued that the discrediting of Fleischmann and Pons was driven and used by others in the science world to further their own careers and to promote “big science” experiments with “hot fusion.” Who ever said that FP were trying to promote hot fusion? T
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Le Aug 5, 2012 à 12:21 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com a écrit : Re-read that sentence ... carefully, this time. [Mark Gibbs] Hi Mark, Good to see you on this list. Your articles have been the subject of several extended threads and of no small amount of controversy. But I think people like a diversity of views here. One question I had about the recent article was the inclusion of NanoSpire in the list. I know next to nothing about their technology, although the one description I have read of some of the theory behind it seemed fanciful. Perhaps it is legitimate technology that will stand the test of time, but nonetheless I would have hesitated to mention it in an article as a LENR-related company without doing a great deal of vetting. Can you comment on what you know about them? Eric
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Thanks for the welcome. Comments inline ... [mg] On Sunday, August 5, 2012, Eric Walker wrote: Le Aug 5, 2012 à 12:21 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com javascript:; a écrit : Re-read that sentence ... carefully, this time. [Mark Gibbs] Hi Mark, Good to see you on this list. Your articles have been the subject of several extended threads and of no small amount of controversy. But I think people like a diversity of views here. One question I had about the recent article was the inclusion of NanoSpire in the list. I know next to nothing about their technology, although the one description I have read of some of the theory behind it seemed fanciful. Perhaps it is legitimate technology that will stand the test of time, but nonetheless I would have hesitated to mention it in an article as a LENR-related company without doing a great deal of vetting. Can you comment on what you know about them? All I know about their technology is that I don't understand much of the 'theory' behind it and the comments I've read on various blogs including my own - most of which have been very and surprisingly positive - seem a little over the top (the process is supposed to generate a whole range of valuable elements and if the hype is to be believed, that probably includes unicorns as well). Nanospire makes claims of fusion being involved and as they are the most vIsible of the less well known players I thought they were worth including ... Your mileage, etc. [mg]
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This is something hard to swallow for most CF researches because it would generate radioactive leftovers, mostly. All attempts that I takes more seriously are the ones that deal only with D/H fusion as due some sort of recoil effect from the lattice, concentrated in a few, like 2 up to 4, of the fusion elements. The low energy photon emission, to explain the absence of gamma rays, vary, but the ones I think should be taken more seriously is either the result of a many body interaction of nuclei, which is something unlikely to happen in hot environment, so it is a slow fusion, or it is due a recoil from the fused elements within the lattice, since the alpha particles have very small penetrating range, even at MeV. 2012/8/5 Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com seem a little over the top (the process is supposed to generate a whole range of valuable elements -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: Re-read that sentence ... carefully, this time. Ah, the antecedent was others. Man, that was quick. You must come here a lot. T
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At 04:25 PM 8/4/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Daniel Rocha mailto:danieldi...@gmail.comdanieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed that Krivit used his death to promote WL theory... He also put himself front and center in someone else's obituary, which is bad form. I'm going to disagree. If this was the only obituary, okay, bad form. But this is Krivit's blog, and he has a story which is important to him. If we were to buy that New Energy Times is some kind of neutral publication, objectively reporting, it would be a problem. But this isn't even a formal NET issue. It's his blog entry. He didn't put himself front and center, quite. I told the story from his perspective, and, as we all know, Krivit has a perspective, a point of view, on cold fusion theory. So by mentioning Martin's willingness to consider alternatives to the fusion theory -- as Krivit has it -- he was simply praising the man, according to his lights. However, this did cause me to look at what he linked, the 2009 interview, and how he presented it in 2010. There is definitely a problem there. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2010/35/SR35910fleischmann.shtml The title of the page is Fleischmann: It Must be Neutrons. Really. Did Fleischmann say that? Not quite. Krivit's transcript of the dialog shows a discussion of how Fleischmann came to call the reaction fusion, even though he knew there were problems with that. At the end, there was this interchange: SK: Yeah, that seems understandable. I was wondering whether you had a chance to catch wind of the ideas in the last few years about neutron-catalyzed reactions? MF: Yes, it must be. You know, the neutron is not very strongly bound in deuterium so maybe there is some substance to those thoughts. Krivit, then, has plausible deniability for his claim in the title. However, notice that the answer Yes, it must be is not exactly to a question Is it neutrons? Krivit apparently heard it that way, or interpreted it that way later, in 2010. Rather, they were talking about what had been raised before. Here is the full relevant dialogue: SK: I suppose you probably had no idea what the reaction was going to be like. MF: No. It seemed to me that calling it fusion drew attention to the type of process which it could be, you see. It seemed reasonable to call it that at that time. SK: I suppose there was nothing else, to your awareness, from which to categorize it? MF: No, it was a type of process to which one could refer. SK: Yes, certainly. Well, 20 years later, now it seems like that distinction is much easier to see. Ive seen other ideas that relate to neutron-related processes that could be not perhaps as simple and direct as D+D 4He but other more-complex processes, perhaps other alternative pathways to getting to heat and helium. MF: Yes, it seems reasonable to have called it that, but perhaps one shouldnt have called it that. SK: Yeah, that seems understandable. I was wondering whether you had a chance to catch wind of the ideas in the last few years about neutron-catalyzed reactions? MF: Yes, it must be. You know, the neutron is not very strongly bound in deuterium so maybe there is some substance to those thoughts. Remember, Martin was about 83 when this was recorded. His comments sound like those of a man of 83, still clear, but slower. He was not, in the first wors of his last comment, responding to neutrons specifically, but to the general issue raised before, of other alternative pathways of getting to heat and helium. His it must be is then a reference to other pathways than the simple d+d - 4He concept. Not neutrons, per se. Those thoughts, however, is about neutrons because of his reference to the binding of neutrons in deuterium. Krivit, in his headline, reduces this to something that Fleischmann did not say, quite clearly. However, that is something Krivit did in 2010. The death announcement is actually fine, except for a tiny piece of this, where he repeats his error from 2010. The last time I spoke with Martin was June 3, 2009. He expressed his regret about calling his and Pons discovery cold fusion. He acknowledged for the first time that neutrons must be the key to understanding low-energy nuclear reactions, rather than the hypothesis of deuterons or protons somehow overcoming the extremely energetic Coulomb barrier at room temperature. With his must be, he forgets that other possibilities were raised, and that, in context, Martin was agreeing with other, not neutrons specifically. Krivit, I'm sure, understands the danger of collapsing what actually happened with our interpretations of it. It leads us to then build on our own fantasies. It leads us to overlook alternate interpretations of text and life. The most that one can derive out of Fleischmann's comments, without projecting the conclusion onto them, would be that neutrons *may* be involved. For
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From: Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2012 1:25:16 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Obituary: Fleischmann, 85 Thanks for the Obit ... at present the ONLY main-stream media mention. Also picked up by the Chicago Tribune. http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/technology/nsc-the-state-of-the-cold-fusion-market-20120805,0,2242916.story The only other MSM-ish ecognition is a tweet from my co-wellian Steve Silberman (often seen on Salon, Wired..) I wonder if others don't care, or if they're avoiding it because they'd have to pick up the current CF/LENR story. the process is supposed to generate a whole range of valuable elements and if the hype is to be believed, that probably includes unicorns as well Any transmutation products (particularly for Nickel/Hydrogen) are un-economical, and of scientific interest only. As for the economic value of Unicorns, it depends greatly on the color. White for Unicorns, Black for Swans, I think. One comment on your generally fair review, in The dog that didn't bark category --- Rossi presently offers the 1MW (original 120C version) unit for $1.5M, delivery 3 months ARO. Put the money in escrow and run all the acceptance tests you want (presumably with the restriction that you're not allowed to open the units). So why hasn't the dog barked? I would have expected a fairly loud bark if Rossi refused to take an order, or if it had been ordered but failed its acceptance test.
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I wrote: Marianne and Mike saw him this spring. Correction: this winter. - Jed
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Abd, I didn`t complain about the format. That was Jed`s part. I don`t know why his comment is doing beside mine in your quote. 2012/8/5 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com At 04:25 PM 8/4/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Daniel Rocha mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com**danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed that Krivit used his death to promote WL theory... He also put himself front and center in someone else's obituary, which is bad form. I'm going to disagree. If this was the only obituary, okay, bad form. But this is Krivit's blog, and he has a story which is important to him. If we were to buy that New Energy Times is some kind of neutral publication, objectively reporting, it would be a problem. But this isn't even a formal NET issue. It's his blog entry. alist, one would think, would open up all these questions and bring the range of informed comment to us. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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I confirm that Martin died yesterday. Marianne and Mike saw him this spring. He was still responsive and enjoying life. So that is a blessing. - Jed
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I just noticed that Krivit used his death to promote WL theory... 2012/8/4 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com I confirm that Martin died yesterday. Marianne and Mike saw him this spring. He was still responsive and enjoying life. So that is a blessing. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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I remember the Pons and Fleischmann announcement, when I was a young boy of 13, vividly. I started jumping around the room as Tom Brokaw was describing it on the television in my father's den. It was at that moment that I realized that it is possible for one person to make a difference in the world. Now, thinking back, that moment may have been the catalyst that ignited my lifelong pursuit of the study of materials chemistry. Thank you Dr. Fleischmann. I promise your dreams and spirit will live on. Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:02:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Obituary: Fleischmann, 85 From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I confirm that Martin died yesterday. Marianne and Mike saw him this spring. He was still responsive and enjoying life. So that is a blessing. - Jed
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Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed that Krivit used his death to promote WL theory... He also put himself front and center in someone else's obituary, which is bad form. I suppose a person does not get to write his own obituary, so Steve took this opportunity to feature himself. . . . It makes you stop and think. I myself prefer short obituaries. I like the ones that capture the essence of a person, without wasting words or boring the reader. Since I will not be around to write my own obituary, let me take a crack at it here: Jed Rothwell died [a long time from now I hope] Rothwell was inordinately fond of cherries. That should do it. - Jed
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I wrote: Since I will not be around to write my own obituary, let me take a crack at it here: Jed Rothwell died [a long time from now I hope] Rothwell was inordinately fond of cherries. Ahem . . . I am in the habit of making jokes in times of stress, and at funerals. Especially at wakes. It is a British tradition, as it happens. Chris Tinsley's wake, immediately following the funeral, was one of most riotous parties I have ever attended. I am sorry if this offended readers who are used to a more solemn approach to death. - Jed
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From Jed Ahem . . . I am in the habit of making jokes in times of stress, and at funerals. Especially at wakes. It is a British tradition, as it happens. Chris Tinsley's wake, immediately following the funeral, was one of most riotous parties I have ever attended. I am sorry if this offended readers who are used to a more solemn approach to death. No offense taken. ;-) As I'm sure you are well aware, for those who were lucky enough to have met Martin in person this is a good time for the lucky ones to step up to the e-podium and share a few fond memories, (and perhaps a couple of not-so-fond ones!) of interactions they may have had with Mr. Fleishman. Jed, I suspect you may have a few worth revealing. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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I'd be ok (as it would matter...) if people used my organs to play sports or give it to vultures and forget me forever. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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In remembrance and honor of Martin Fleischmann, I will suspend my posting activity on other topics for a day. I suggest everyone do the same to allow people to remember the great contributions of Fleischmann. Jojo - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 5:02 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Obituary: Fleischmann, 85 I confirm that Martin died yesterday. Marianne and Mike saw him this spring. He was still responsive and enjoying life. So that is a blessing. - Jed
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would you mind if I stuck a cross in the Vulture's poop? harry On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I'd be ok (as it would matter...) if people used my organs to play sports or give it to vultures and forget me forever. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Sure! But, please, not in his da poo poo! 2012/8/4 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com would you mind if I stuck a cross in the Vulture's poop? harry On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I'd be ok (as it would matter...) if people used my organs to play sports or give it to vultures and forget me forever. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Feeling sad, and angry. Sad for the obvious reasons. Angry at the scientists and journalists that treated FP, and the entire field, so disgracefully and unscientifically. They should be held responsible for the 23 years of delay; they should have known better. I hope karma comes back to bite them where it counts. -Mark Iverson
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From Mark, I hope karma comes back to bite them where it counts. ... reincarnated as teapots. Powered by... well, you know. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Jed, I suspect you may have a few worth revealing. I am kind of busy getting ready for ICCF17. (I wish I could make it Austin next week.) Christy Frazier, Marianne Macy and I are working on an obituary which will be published by *Infinite Energy* soon. We are asking people to recount their memories of him. He has been sick for a long time, and fading away for months, so this comes as no surprise. I razzed Steve Krivit for making himself the star of the obit, but I have to say, his report was pretty good. Steve knows how to gather and present facts. He is a professional when he wants to be. - Jed
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I think Martin would have appreciated the humor, Jed. Lawry On Aug 4, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I wrote: Since I will not be around to write my own obituary, let me take a crack at it here: Jed Rothwell died [a long time from now I hope] Rothwell was inordinately fond of cherries. Ahem . . . I am in the habit of making jokes in times of stress, and at funerals. Especially at wakes. It is a British tradition, as it happens. Chris Tinsley's wake, immediately following the funeral, was one of most riotous parties I have ever attended. I am sorry if this offended readers who are used to a more solemn approach to death. - Jed
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Ed Storms hit the nail on the head in his comment I copied here. - Jed
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Charles Beaudette, in his MIT lecturehttp://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/views/Group1/Beaudette-LincolnLab.shtmlquipped that if Fleischmann and Pons would have the good manners (not sure the exact wording) to die, cold fusion research could become respectable. Note, I am not suggesting that anyone go kill Pons. On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/08/04/fleischmann-dead-at-85-end-of-an-era/ -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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I am likewise saddened greatly by knowing that we have lost one of the pioneers of the field. It is unfortunate that he did not have the opportunity to see his work come into full fruition. I was never granted the opportunity of meeting Fleischmann and now that can not happen, but hopefully his tradition will guide us in our endeavors. We are forever grateful for a job well done. Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:20 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Obituary: Fleischmann, 85 Feeling sad, and angry… Sad for the obvious reasons… Angry at the scientists and journalists that treated FP, and the entire field, so disgracefully and unscientifically. They should be held responsible for the 23 years of delay; they should have known better… I hope karma comes back to bite them where it counts. -Mark Iverson
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OMG Steven... you hit a home run... That's hilarious! Literally LoL -mi -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 4:29 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Obituary: Fleischmann, 85 From Mark, I hope karma comes back to bite them where it counts. ... reincarnated as teapots. Powered by... well, you know. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Dr. Fleischmann had the pleasure of being one of the first two people who were certain that low energy nuclear reactions truly exist. He surely knew that, one day, his discovery would create a better world. I hope that gave him sufficient reward. History will remember him so. T
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Jed: Krivit makes you more than stop and think. A decent person would not use the death of another to further themselves. Krivit is not a decent person. Martin Fleishmann deserves better. Personally, regardless of the nature of the phenomena, I hope it is always termed Cold Fusion in honor of Martin Fleishmann. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 4, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed that Krivit used his death to promote WL theory... He also put himself front and center in someone else's obituary, which is bad form. I suppose a person does not get to write his own obituary, so Steve took this opportunity to feature himself. . . . It makes you stop and think. I myself prefer short obituaries. I like the ones that capture the essence of a person, without wasting words or boring the reader. Since I will not be around to write my own obituary, let me take a crack at it here: Jed Rothwell died [a long time from now I hope] Rothwell was inordinately fond of cherries. That should do it. - Jed
