Re: Streaming movies

[Geoff and Kaye]

Sev

On 27/02/2014, at 1:32 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:

> My wife’s website, which I manage, has among other things number of streaming 
> movies running for up to 9mins.  I have recently noticed that there is a vast 
> difference between the startup time on different browsers.  In summary I 
> note:-
>   Safari fine
>   Firefox very slow
>   Chrome  very very slow indeed
>   IE (running Windows XP with Fusion) fine!
> The movies (mostly) are in .mov format, frame size 400 x 300, audio mono and 
> compressed, video compression H264 and saved to fast start for streaming with 
> compressed header.   

There are lots of web sites which will give advice on this topic, for example:
 
 http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_videos.asp  or

 http://www.tutorialspoint.com/html/html_embed_multimedia.htm

Looking at a few of them tells you that, like many things, it is not as simple 
as it might seem, and the best way to go depends on your target audience, how 
much effort you want to put in, and so on.

Your code uses a hyperlink, albeit inside some javascript. The first site above 
says that this approach depends on helper applications - I wonder whether 
everyone would have such an application on their computer, or they may have 
different ones from what you have.

Anyway, you could convert your files to a different format (MP4 might be worth 
a go) and see if that makes a difference. But always remember that with 
anything a bit complex in a web page, what you see may not be what the rest of 
the world sees.

I would have tried it on my computer, but our connection speed is so slow out 
here that we get tired of waiting for anything to happen with movie files.

Geoff
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Re: Streaming movies

[Severin Crisp]

Thanks for the comments, Neil.  
I can include the player controller to give access to full screen mode.  
I am loath to involve another server, no positive reason, just a wish to be as 
self-contained as possible.  
On 27 Feb 2014, at 3:04 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:

> Hi Sev,
> 
> I watch a lot of streaming video on a variety of sites. My first impressions:
> 
> In either firefox or safari, clicking the QT preview image opens another 
> small window to play the movie in – why do this, why not embed whatever 
> player you use directly in the page?
> With either browser there is no option to “full-screen” the video – I always 
> “full-screen any video I think is worth watching!
> A lot of quite large websites use either YouTube or Vimeo to present videos. 
> The video is hosted on their website and you embed the YouTube or Vimeo 
> player in your website (eg where the QT preview icon is currently. Some 
> examples (which all allow expanding the video to full-screen):
> The vine (Fairfax media) often uses YouTube: 
> Kickstarter often includes both own hosted and Vimeo video, eg 
> 
>  has the main video self-hosted but has a Vimeo video on the pen features 
> further down the page.
> 
> Just my 2c worth. I must admit, after enjoying nice streaming full-screen 
> video, I find small video windows very unsatisfying ;o)
> 
> 
> One of the things I did when designing a few webpages was to note any 
> sites/pages that did something in a way I particularly liked and then check 
> out the page code to see how they were doing it – picked up a few good ideas 
> that way  ;o)
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
> Neil
> -- 
> Neil R. Houghton
> Albany, Western Australia
> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
> Email: n...@possumology.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> on 27/2/14 13:32, Severin Crisp at sevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
> 
>> My wife’s website, which I manage, has among other things number of 
>> streaming movies running for up to 9mins.  I have recently noticed that 
>> there is a vast difference between the startup time on different browsers.  
>> In summary I note:-
>> Safari fine
>> Firefox very slow
>> Chrome very very slow indeed
>> IE (running Windows XP with Fusion) fine!
>> The movies (mostly) are in .mov format, frame size 400 x 300, audio mono and 
>> compressed, video compression H264 and saved to fast start for streaming 
>> with compressed header.   
>>  
>> The latest one, which has prompted this query, can be seen at:-
>> http://www.jennycrisp.com.au/stream.html
>> 
>> I would appreciate comments on the general strategy of posting streaming 
>> movies within a webpage. 
>> Severin Crisp
>> 
>> 
>> Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
>> 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
>>   ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
>>mail to: sevcr...@westnet.com.au
>> 
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Re: Streaming movies

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Sev,

I watch a lot of streaming video on a variety of sites. My first
impressions:

* In either firefox or safari, clicking the QT preview image opens another
small window to play the movie in ­ why do this, why not embed whatever
player you use directly in the page?
* With either browser there is no option to ³full-screen² the video ­ I
always ³full-screen any video I think is worth watching!
* A lot of quite large websites use either YouTube or Vimeo to present
videos. The video is hosted on their website and you embed the YouTube or
Vimeo player in your website (eg where the QT preview icon is currently.
Some examples (which all allow expanding the video to full-screen):
> * The vine (Fairfax media) often uses YouTube:
> 
> * Kickstarter often includes both own hosted and Vimeo video, eg
>  en-stylus-made-from-m> has the main video self-hosted but has a Vimeo video on
> the pen features further down the page.

Just my 2c worth. I must admit, after enjoying nice streaming full-screen
video, I find small video windows very unsatisfying ;o)


One of the things I did when designing a few webpages was to note any
sites/pages that did something in a way I particularly liked and then check
out the page code to see how they were doing it ­ picked up a few good ideas
that way  ;o)



Cheers



Neil
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com




on 27/2/14 13:32, Severin Crisp at sevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

> My wife¹s website, which I manage, has among other things number of streaming
> movies running for up to 9mins.  I have recently noticed that there is a vast
> difference between the startup time on different browsers.  In summary I
> note:-
> Safari fine
> Firefox very slow
> Chrome very very slow indeed
> IE (running Windows XP with Fusion) fine!
> The movies (mostly) are in .mov format, frame size 400 x 300, audio mono and
> compressed, video compression H264 and saved to fast start for streaming with
> compressed header.
>  
> The latest one, which has prompted this query, can be seen at:-
> http://www.jennycrisp.com.au/stream.html
> 
> I would appreciate comments on the general strategy of posting streaming
> movies within a webpage.
> Severin Crisp
> 
> 
>  Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
> 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
>   ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
>mail to: sevcr...@westnet.com.au
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Mavericks 10.9.2 and Mail

[Ronni Brown]

On 26 Feb 2014, at 10:48 am, Alan Smith  wrote:

> Since applying the OSX update, Mail preferences has changed from “SSL” 
> checkbox option to “TLS Certificate = none”. My previous settings were 
> gmail = SSL ticked and iiNet = not ticked.  (These were default settings 
> applied when setting up the accounts.)
> 
> Should the TLS certificate be selected/activated for each mail acount?
> 
> Regards
> Alan

Hi Alan,

My Mail Preferences have NOT changed since installing OS X 10.9.2 update.
Are you having any problems with one or both mail accounts since installing the 
update?

"TLS Certificate  - Transport Layer Security (TLS)

Use a TLS certificate for security. Some POP and IMAP mail servers require 
computers that connect to them to provide a certificate proving their identity."

It has nothing to do with iCloud as Apple's Mail servers do not use a TLS 
Certificate for authentication.

This is actually a generic setting in Mail that can be applied to any Mail 
server you have configured. It is used for client authentication as an 
additional layer of security if your mail server happens to require it (most do 
not -- it tends to be used only in corporate environments).  Think of it as an 
additional password, basically.

This setting has no bearing on whether your actual IMAP or SMTP sessions with 
the server are encrypted or not; that is controlled by the "Use SSL" settings 
found on the "Advanced" page (for IMAP connections) and on the individual SMTP 
server configurations for outgoing Mail (you can access these by clicking on 
the drop-down list of Outgoing Mail Servers and choosing "Edit SMTP Server 
List."   
As long as "Use SSL" is enabled, your IMAP and SMTP sessions are encrypted.

Note that the TLS Certificate option only appears if you have a valid 
certificate in your OS X Keychain that could be used for this purpose; the 
option is hidden otherwise which likely explains why it is not appearing on my 
MacBook Pro OS X 10.9.2

So to answer your question "Should the TLS certificate be selected/activated 
for each mail account?"
I don't know
You are seeing '“TLS Certificate = none” 
Click the drop-down for TLS Certificate... and see if there is anything there 
to select.

I would not change anything if your Mail Accounts are behaving correctly!


Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

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Streaming movies

[Severin Crisp]

My wife’s website, which I manage, has among other things number of streaming 
movies running for up to 9mins.  I have recently noticed that there is a vast 
difference between the startup time on different browsers.  In summary I note:-
Safari fine
Firefox very slow
Chrome  very very slow indeed
IE (running Windows XP with Fusion) fine!
The movies (mostly) are in .mov format, frame size 400 x 300, audio mono and 
compressed, video compression H264 and saved to fast start for streaming with 
compressed header.   
 
The latest one, which has prompted this query, can be seen at:-
http://www.jennycrisp.com.au/stream.html

I would appreciate comments on the general strategy of posting streaming movies 
within a webpage. 
Severin Crisp


 Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
  ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
   mail to: sevcr...@westnet.com.au




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Re: An iPad for my 94 year old mother ?

[Susan Hastings]

Hi Stephen, as she uses a Samsung smartphone I would suggest a Samsung tablet. 
Learning a whole new way of doing things is too challenging for an older person 
I think. And a Samsung tablet will do everything she wants. The touch interface 
is just as good as on Apple tablets. It's important that it meshes with her 
present way of doing things. Just my 2 cents worth! Cheers, Susan

Sent from my iPad

> On 27 Feb 2014, at 12:55 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> My 94 year old mother uses email, internet and has a smart phone 
> (unfortunately a Samsung).
> In fact does all her banking online and also uses Skype.
> She also uses Windoze because I haver a “backward” brother who tells her how 
> bad Apple products are.
> 
> Because her spine has become so badly curved now her head points at the 
> ground.
> This has made it very difficult for her to view her PC screen.
> 
> I have suggested that she buy an iPad 2 (while they are still around and at a 
> good price).
> She has WiFi so this is not an issue.
> She could use it flat on the table without raising her head.
> I also have to convince her that it is far more user friendly.
> 
> The only thing I am not sure of is printing documents ?
> She likes to type letters, which could be done using Pages on the iPad.
> She has an older model Samsung Mono Laser Printer which I doubt has WiFi.
> Is there any way to print her documents from the iPad to this printer without 
> buying something new ?
> 
> Although she is quite tech savvy as a user, she is reluctant to buy anything 
> new.
> It will be a challenge to convince her to get the iPad, but a new Printer as 
> well … Mmm !
> 
> Any ideas please would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Regards,
> Stephen Chape
> 
> Mac by choice
> Windows because my employer knew no better
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Re: An iPad for my 94 year old mother ?

[Rick Armstrong]

Hi Steve,
My mother was of similar age and was reluctant to purchase or upgrade anything 
even though she had the money, so the trick was to say that things were cheaper 
then they were then make up the difference.

On 27/02/2014, at 12:55 PM, Stephen Chape  wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> My 94 year old mother uses email, internet and has a smart phone 
> (unfortunately a Samsung).
> In fact does all her banking online and also uses Skype.
> She also uses Windoze because I haver a “backward” brother who tells her how 
> bad Apple products are.
> 
> Because her spine has become so badly curved now her head points at the 
> ground.
> This has made it very difficult for her to view her PC screen.
> 
> I have suggested that she buy an iPad 2 (while they are still around and at a 
> good price).
> She has WiFi so this is not an issue.
> She could use it flat on the table without raising her head.
> I also have to convince her that it is far more user friendly.
> 
> The only thing I am not sure of is printing documents ?
> She likes to type letters, which could be done using Pages on the iPad.
> She has an older model Samsung Mono Laser Printer which I doubt has WiFi.
> Is there any way to print her documents from the iPad to this printer without 
> buying something new ?
> 
> Although she is quite tech savvy as a user, she is reluctant to buy anything 
> new.
> It will be a challenge to convince her to get the iPad, but a new Printer as 
> well … Mmm !
> 
> Any ideas please would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Regards,
> Stephen Chape
> 
> Mac by choice
> Windows because my employer knew no better
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An iPad for my 94 year old mother ?

[Stephen Chape]

Hi folks,

My 94 year old mother uses email, internet and has a smart phone (unfortunately 
a Samsung).
In fact does all her banking online and also uses Skype.
She also uses Windoze because I haver a “backward” brother who tells her how 
bad Apple products are.

Because her spine has become so badly curved now her head points at the ground.
This has made it very difficult for her to view her PC screen.

I have suggested that she buy an iPad 2 (while they are still around and at a 
good price).
She has WiFi so this is not an issue.
She could use it flat on the table without raising her head.
I also have to convince her that it is far more user friendly.

The only thing I am not sure of is printing documents ?
She likes to type letters, which could be done using Pages on the iPad.
She has an older model Samsung Mono Laser Printer which I doubt has WiFi.
Is there any way to print her documents from the iPad to this printer without 
buying something new ?

Although she is quite tech savvy as a user, she is reluctant to buy anything 
new.
It will be a challenge to convince her to get the iPad, but a new Printer as 
well … Mmm !

Any ideas please would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Stephen Chape

Mac by choice
Windows because my employer knew no better

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Re: QT behaviour

[Pat]

Hi, Ronni,

I looked very hard for the original email but couldn’t find it; it would have 
been about 7 or 8 years ago, different computer, different backup disk. Since 
it has been such a long time, several different OSs intervening, I have decided 
to cough up again for it and make sure, this time, that I keep the records 
available.

(It didn’t make any difference whether I pressed the TAB key or the RETURN key, 
and the Pro features are still greyed out when the file is loaded in the player 
window.)

Thanks very much for your advice,
Pat


On 25 Feb 2014, at 9:08 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:

> Hi Pat,
> 
> We have not heard back from you. What was your result please, were you able 
> to Register QuickTime Pro?
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
> 
> On 15 Feb 2014, at 10:48 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
>> Just another thing I remembered after reading your email again.
>> 
>> Are you pressing the "RETURN" key to enter the registered information or the 
>> "TAB" key? 
>> "Pro" registration instructions clearly state that the "TAB" key must be 
>> used. 
>> (Once you have entered all of the information, press the Tab key. The 
>> QuickTime logo will change to the QuickTime Pro logo, denoting that 
>> registration is complete.)
>> 
>> If you used the "TAB" key to register the "Pro" key information and the 
>> "Pro" features are still grey, do you actually have a file loaded in a 
>> player window. i.e., the "Pro" features cannot be accessed if a file has not 
>> been opened in the application since they are context adaptive and must be 
>> able to "see" the type of file you wish to edit since the features available 
>> may depend on which type of file you are trying to edit.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>> 
>> 
>> On 15 Feb 2014, at 10:24 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi again Pat,
>>> 
>>> If you can find the email of your QT 7 Pro registration.
>>> Use copy/paste from the email to the registration fields to avoid errors.
>>> 
>>> If you're sure you purchased a key for QuickTime 7, then you would need to 
>>> make sure you're entering in both the user name and key code exactly as in 
>>> the email Apple sent you. 
>>> 
>>> Any error in either, including leaving off a salutation (for instance, if 
>>> the email says "Mr. John Smith") will cause the registration to error. If 
>>> you no longer have that email, then you can only guess as to how they 
>>> phrased your name.
>>>  
>>> If you can't get it to work, you'll need to purchase a new key. Apple keeps 
>>> records for orders only back 18 months.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 15 Feb 2014, at 7:07 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Pat,
 
 You can retrieve purchased registration keys with these steps:
 
 Visit the Apple Online Store.
 
 Click "Account" in the upper-right corner.
 
 On the "Your Account" page, click "View Order
 
 History".
 
 4. Enter your Apple ID and password.
 
 Additional Information
 
 You can only retrieve a lost QuickTime Pro key if you purchased it through 
 the Web. In most cases, the key will be identical to the key you lost.
 
 If you purchased your QuickTime Pro upgrade from another source, the key 
 is not available for retrieval and you must purchase another key from The 
 Apple Store.
 
 For more information on QuickTime Pro Keys, see this document.
 
 
 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 On 15 Feb 2014, at 6:34 pm, Pat  wrote:
 
> Hi, Ronni,
> 
> Thanks for your reply, but it still isn’t working. I just looked up my 
> Registration code, opened QT 7, clicked on the title to get 
> ‘Registration’, put my name and the code in the correct boxes, but the 
> button only says “Buy QuickTime Pro.” and takes me to the sales page. In 
> the app itself, all the Pro features are greyed out, but it did work for 
> a while a few years ago.
> 
> I don’t know if you can tell anything from the code, but it is 
> KVDZ-GEYQ-7675-94UP-PWWM
> Thanks,
> Pat
> 
> 
> On 15 Feb 2014, at 12:08 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Pat,
>> 
>> That is news to me! I purchased registration for QuickTime Pro many 
>> years ago.
>> As long as you have kept registration details, just open Quicktime 
>> Player 7
>> Quicktime Player 7 > Registration... And type in your details... 
>> Registered To:  and  Registration code: 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>> 
>> 
>>> On 15 Feb 2014, at 11:41 am, Pat  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On the topic of QT Pro, is it still something you have to pay for every 
>>> year?  A few years back I paid for it, and was very annoyed when, all 
>>> too soon, it ‘expired’ and another payment was required, which I did

USB Ports

[Paul Willemse]

Hi All,

Is there a way to reset the USB port address to 1. I can do it by
restarting the computer but that seems to be the hard way. It gets reset to
usually port 3 if I (accidentally) disconnect the Arduino that is normally
connected there.

Regards,

Paul

PS. Mail is working as it should after upgrading to Mavericks 10.9.2, all
my problems have disappeared.
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Re: Problems following update to OS X 10.9.2

[Barry Sexstone]

Ronni

Thanks for your advice.   As I have followed your advice in the past I actually 
did as you suggest with the exception I down loaded the update from the App 
store.  I am aware that the update can take a while to complete,  but over an 
hour?   I will try again later in the week using the combo update,  meanwhile I 
have reinstalled 10.9 from my thumb drive and all appears well.

Barry
On 26 Feb 2014, at 4:35 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:

> 
> On 26 Feb 2014, at 2:10 pm, Barry Sexstone  wrote:
> 
>> This morning i attempted to update my iMac OS from 10.9.1 to 10.9.2  It 
>> appeared to go through the normal update procedure and shutdown as expected 
>> for a restart.   The restart was unsuccessful and went only as far as the 
>> Apple logo and spinning gear wheel and no further.   The machine would not 
>> boot from the recovery partition but did reboot from my backup disk.
>> Has anyone had a similar experience after updating?
>> 
>> I have re-installed Mavericks from my original USB thumb drive but of course 
>> and all seems to be working OK.   Of course my OS is now 10.9 and I am 
>> somewhat wary about trying again to update.
>> 
>> Any advice most welcome.
>> 
>> Barry
> 
> Hi Barry,
> 
> When the computer restarts after downloading the update, and the Apple log 
> appears & spinning 'cog' gear...  indicates that installation is happening. 
> My Combo installation took 10mins to complete.
> 
> I installed the OS X 10.9.2 Update (Combo) this morning without any problems. 
> I always download the Combo Update and install OS X updates this way:
> 
> 1. Repair Permissions
> 2. Install the Combo Update
> 3. After installation completes I run Software Update (install anything that 
> appears)
> 4. Repair Permissions
> 
> I would suggest you do the above.
> You can download the 'Combo' update at this link: 
> 
> File Size: 859.7 MB
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
> 
> OS X 10.9.2 Mavericks
> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
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Re: Problems following update to OS X 10.9.2

[Ronni Brown]

On 26 Feb 2014, at 2:10 pm, Barry Sexstone  wrote:

> This morning i attempted to update my iMac OS from 10.9.1 to 10.9.2  It 
> appeared to go through the normal update procedure and shutdown as expected 
> for a restart.   The restart was unsuccessful and went only as far as the 
> Apple logo and spinning gear wheel and no further.   The machine would not 
> boot from the recovery partition but did reboot from my backup disk.
> Has anyone had a similar experience after updating?
> 
> I have re-installed Mavericks from my original USB thumb drive but of course 
> and all seems to be working OK.   Of course my OS is now 10.9 and I am 
> somewhat wary about trying again to update.
> 
> Any advice most welcome.
> 
> Barry

Hi Barry,

When the computer restarts after downloading the update, and the Apple log 
appears & spinning 'cog' gear...  indicates that installation is happening. My 
Combo installation took 10mins to complete.

I installed the OS X 10.9.2 Update (Combo) this morning without any problems. 
I always download the Combo Update and install OS X updates this way:

1. Repair Permissions
2. Install the Combo Update
3. After installation completes I run Software Update (install anything that 
appears)
4. Repair Permissions

I would suggest you do the above.
You can download the 'Combo' update at this link: 

File Size: 859.7 MB

Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.9.2 Mavericks
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
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Re: Clearing Wikipedia links in Pages

[Ronni Brown]

Hi David,

Turn OFF  hyperlinking for all URL's in your document in the same Inspector 
window (the one with the white arrow on a blue circle).
select 'Make all hyperlinks inactive'

Does that achieve what you want?

Or - If you don't care about losing some of the formatting of the content that 
you are transferring, you can first ‘Paste And Match Style’ into a ‘plain text’ 
TextEdit document and then copy from there into your Pages doc.

Links don't survive Paste and Match Style in TextEdit, as they do in Pages.

Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.9.2 Mavericks
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)


On 26 Feb 2014, at 3:21 pm, David Noel  wrote:

> I make a lot of use of Wikipedia, often including short quotes in
> articles on my website. These quotes pass through drafts written in
> Pages.
> 
> Wikipedia is often very rich in links, a 4-line paragraph may have 20
> or more links in it. I know how to clear an individual link (so
> clicking near it does not go off to the linked page in Wikipedia), by
> using the Link Inspector in Pages and de-selecting "Enable as a
> hyperlink". Is there any way of clearing all the links in a paragraph
> or selection in one go?
> 
> Earlier, Ronni gave a great tip for clearing all the font
> characteristics of an extract copied from a web page -- first copy
> with the usual Command-C, then paste on to the destination with
> Command-Option-Shift-C. This strips off all the font characteristics,
> but does not clear links. Any suggestions?
> 
> David Noel
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