Re: [WAMUG] Decision time: MacBook Pro battery

[Daniel Kerr via WAMUG]

Yes I think that’s probably one of the most common reasons to have to run it on 
a new M-series - MYOB in Parallels. :)
At least it works under Windows 11 Preview and Parallels. (Parallels definitely 
does it better than VMWare I’ve found from experience when doing either for 
clients).
What’s even worse though is MYOB trying to get some things working in MYOB 
AccountRight for Windows. - it doesn’t do things that they had as a staple for 
MYOB AccountEdge for Mac!
If only they’d spend a little of their millions and make a 64bit version for 
Mac - they would have a huge happy client base,…lol.
But I digress,….I won’t get started on that. lol

I mean, it’s not like they didn’t have time to know it was going from 32bit to 
64bit - what was it,..about 12-13 years when the first Mac OS 32/64bit came 
along in Snow Leopard? (Panther had simple support for 64bit but not the main 
OS I think it was). I guess that’s not much time for them,…lol. :)

Kind regards
Daniel

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> On 30 Sep 2022, at 7:46 am, Peter Hinchliffe via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 29 Sep 2022, at 11:28 am, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim
>> 
>> On a new Apple Silicon machine you’ll have a bit of a nightmare getting 
>> VMWare to work - as we tried to do one for another client and it was a 
>> nightmare. You definitely can’t use the same “VM File” you have - you have 
>> to start from scratch. (And it will only work with a insider developer’s 
>> copy of Windows 11 for ARM - you can’t actually buy Windows for it).
>> I did set up Parallels with Windows 11 ARM for a couple of clients on a new 
>> Apple Silicon iMac and got it work. But we had to set it from scratch. And 
>> some things are a little different then normal - so programs apparently 
>> don’t work as well in Windows ARM as they do for other. So that’s just 
>> something to be aware of as well.
>> 
>> Have you tried an SMC reset as well if it’s not starting up. As generally 
>> even if the battery has failed it still should run on power adapter. (Unless 
>> the battery has swollen and is causing other issues as well).
>> 
>> Battery prices can vary - depends on if it’s a Early 2013 13” or a Late 2013 
>> 13” (Retina). As the batteries for the Retina can be a nightmare to do. (I 
>> don’t even do the Retina’s myself for some models - as it’s just too fiddly 
>> and risky the way they are “glued in”.
>> 
>> So just something to be wary of.
>> Other option would be something second hand - as that’s what I’ve got for 
>> some other clients - which was a bit cheaper than new and still Intel so 
>> still worked with all their current software - but a bit more up to date.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>>  Sent from my iPhone 12 Pro 
>> 
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> 
> I have a client running MYOB under Windows 11 on an M1 iMac - because Account 
> Edge is STILL just 32bit software, and therefore simply can’t run on the new 
> Macs. 
> 
> I got her going with Parallels Desktop, but is necessary to install the 
> developer edition of Windows 11 in order to work on the M1 chip, so I expect 
> it would be the same for the M2. Been working well for over 12 months 
> though...
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
> 
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Re: [WAMUG] Decision time: MacBook Pro battery

[Peter Hinchliffe via WAMUG]

> On 29 Sep 2022, at 11:28 am, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim
> 
> On a new Apple Silicon machine you’ll have a bit of a nightmare getting 
> VMWare to work - as we tried to do one for another client and it was a 
> nightmare. You definitely can’t use the same “VM File” you have - you have to 
> start from scratch. (And it will only work with a insider developer’s copy of 
> Windows 11 for ARM - you can’t actually buy Windows for it).
> I did set up Parallels with Windows 11 ARM for a couple of clients on a new 
> Apple Silicon iMac and got it work. But we had to set it from scratch. And 
> some things are a little different then normal - so programs apparently don’t 
> work as well in Windows ARM as they do for other. So that’s just something to 
> be aware of as well.
> 
> Have you tried an SMC reset as well if it’s not starting up. As generally 
> even if the battery has failed it still should run on power adapter. (Unless 
> the battery has swollen and is causing other issues as well).
> 
> Battery prices can vary - depends on if it’s a Early 2013 13” or a Late 2013 
> 13” (Retina). As the batteries for the Retina can be a nightmare to do. (I 
> don’t even do the Retina’s myself for some models - as it’s just too fiddly 
> and risky the way they are “glued in”.
> 
> So just something to be wary of.
> Other option would be something second hand - as that’s what I’ve got for 
> some other clients - which was a bit cheaper than new and still Intel so 
> still worked with all their current software - but a bit more up to date.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone 12 Pro 
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
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> e : 
> w : 
> 

I have a client running MYOB under Windows 11 on an M1 iMac - because Account 
Edge is STILL just 32bit software, and therefore simply can’t run on the new 
Macs. 

I got her going with Parallels Desktop, but is necessary to install the 
developer edition of Windows 11 in order to work on the M1 chip, so I expect it 
would be the same for the M2. Been working well for over 12 months though...

Kind regards,

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.

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Re: [WAMUG] Decision time: MacBook Pro battery

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Thanks as always Daniel for your response

I tried the SMC reset by holding down the power button for ten seconds, then a 
normal restart push. No change. 

It is a late 2013 Retina. The anti reflective coating has gone off the screen 
but a plastic film has resurrected it and I can work with it as it is. 

The $299 was the price Apple gave me on the service website. It did say 
‘estimate’ 

The PC software I use from Time to time is Oziexplorer for digital mapping. I 
have satisfactory alternatives, but don’t want to give it up if I don’t have to

The other is Peugeot workshop manual and OBD2 port reader software. This is 
pretty handy to have to read and reset engine codes and I have hardware that 
goes with it so am reluctant to give it up. 

I’ll check out my other options as you’ve suggested and will contact you off 
list for second hand machines if I need to go that path. 

Thanks again

Tim Law

> On 29 Sep 2022, at 11:29 am, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim
> 
> On a new Apple Silicon machine you’ll have a bit of a nightmare getting 
> VMWare to work - as we tried to do one for another client and it was a 
> nightmare. You definitely can’t use the same “VM File” you have - you have to 
> start from scratch. (And it will only work with a insider developer’s copy of 
> Windows 11 for ARM - you can’t actually buy Windows for it).
> I did set up Parallels with Windows 11 ARM for a couple of clients on a new 
> Apple Silicon iMac and got it work. But we had to set it from scratch. And 
> some things are a little different then normal - so programs apparently don’t 
> work as well in Windows ARM as they do for other. So that’s just something to 
> be aware of as well.
> 
> Have you tried an SMC reset as well if it’s not starting up. As generally 
> even if the battery has failed it still should run on power adapter. (Unless 
> the battery has swollen and is causing other issues as well).
> 
> Battery prices can vary - depends on if it’s a Early 2013 13” or a Late 2013 
> 13” (Retina). As the batteries for the Retina can be a nightmare to do. (I 
> don’t even do the Retina’s myself for some models - as it’s just too fiddly 
> and risky the way they are “glued in”.
> 
> So just something to be wary of.
> Other option would be something second hand - as that’s what I’ve got for 
> some other clients - which was a bit cheaper than new and still Intel so 
> still worked with all their current software - but a bit more up to date.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone 12 Pro 
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
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> 
>> On 29 Sep 2022, at 11:17 am, Tim Law via WAMUG  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning
>> 
>> A1502 late 2013 MacBook Pro. Still suitable for purpose. 
>> 
>> Couple of days ago I got a ‘service required’ warning saying the battery was 
>> at the end of its life. Now the machine won’t start up, even if the power 
>> supply is plugged in. Interestingly the power charger brick is not at all 
>> warm, indicating no charge going in but the little orange light on the 
>> magnetic plug is on. 
>> 
>> Apple website estimates $299 to replace the battery. A new M2 costs $2000
>> 
>> I use VMware Fusion to run two native PC apps and it works as I require so 
>> I’m hesitant to upgrade in case that stops functioning. 
>> 
>> Do I just get the battery replaced or replace the machine?. I have a feeling 
>> it’s no longer supported for OSX upgrades. 
>> 
>> Wise thoughts appreciated. 
>> 
>> Tim Law
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Re: [WAMUG] Decision time: MacBook Pro battery

[Peter Crisp via WAMUG]

   Hi Tim, I had a very similar experience in the last couple of weeks for
   an MBA (Mid 2012) I am selling - (daughter's ex-school used MBA). I
   thought the battery was fine and when a potential buyer came over, it
   wouldn't boot into the setup screen (I had previously erased it).  When
   I put the power lead on it, it did boot up, as soon as the power lead
   was disconnected, screen went black. So I surmised the battery was
   completely shot. When I left it on charge overnight prior to selling,
   the charge lead light remained orange and I noted too that the power
   block was cold - so no energy going into the dead battery. Light
   remained orange for days - it was never going to go green.

   So I bought a replacement battery (A1466 MBA), fitted it and then
   charged it. Now it boots fine whether on charger lead or not. I am also
   aware that the eBay batteries are potentially dubious life (when
   compared with new Apple batteries fitted by Apple), but for $38 I was
   ok with that for what is quite an old machine that is otherwise a good
   working MBA.

   If I were in your position, I would get myself an eBay battery ($70 odd
   from a quick search) to get yourself going again. From there you can
   decide either to keep it in operation or peel off the data you need
   from it and get a new (or newer used) MB. I wouldn't reckon that $299
   is worth spending on such an old machine. You can get 4 eBay batteries
   for the same and they're an easy DIY fit. Just watch the myriad of
   clips on YouTube.
   Kind Regards
   Peter Crisp

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 [WAMUG] Decision time: MacBook Pro battery
 Good morning
 A1502 late 2013 MacBook Pro. Still suitable for purpose.
 Couple of days ago I got a ‘service required’ warning saying the
 battery was at the end of its life. Now the machine won’t start up,
 even if the power supply is plugged in. Interestingly the power
 charger brick is not at all warm, indicating no charge going in but
 the little orange light on the magnetic plug is on.
 Apple website estimates $299 to replace the battery. A new M2 costs
 $2000
 I use VMware Fusion to run two native PC apps and it works as I
 require so I’m hesitant to upgrade in case that stops functioning.
 Do I just get the battery replaced or replace the machine?. I have a
 feeling it’s no longer supported for OSX upgrades.
 Wise thoughts appreciated.
 Tim Law
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Re: [WAMUG] Decision time: MacBook Pro battery

[Daniel Kerr via WAMUG]

Hi Tim

On a new Apple Silicon machine you’ll have a bit of a nightmare getting VMWare 
to work - as we tried to do one for another client and it was a nightmare. You 
definitely can’t use the same “VM File” you have - you have to start from 
scratch. (And it will only work with a insider developer’s copy of Windows 11 
for ARM - you can’t actually buy Windows for it).
I did set up Parallels with Windows 11 ARM for a couple of clients on a new 
Apple Silicon iMac and got it work. But we had to set it from scratch. And some 
things are a little different then normal - so programs apparently don’t work 
as well in Windows ARM as they do for other. So that’s just something to be 
aware of as well.

Have you tried an SMC reset as well if it’s not starting up. As generally even 
if the battery has failed it still should run on power adapter. (Unless the 
battery has swollen and is causing other issues as well).

Battery prices can vary - depends on if it’s a Early 2013 13” or a Late 2013 
13” (Retina). As the batteries for the Retina can be a nightmare to do. (I 
don’t even do the Retina’s myself for some models - as it’s just too fiddly and 
risky the way they are “glued in”.

So just something to be wary of.
Other option would be something second hand - as that’s what I’ve got for some 
other clients - which was a bit cheaper than new and still Intel so still 
worked with all their current software - but a bit more up to date.

Hope that helps.
Kind regards
Daniel

 Sent from my iPhone 12 Pro 

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> On 29 Sep 2022, at 11:17 am, Tim Law via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
> Good morning
> 
> A1502 late 2013 MacBook Pro. Still suitable for purpose. 
> 
> Couple of days ago I got a ‘service required’ warning saying the battery was 
> at the end of its life. Now the machine won’t start up, even if the power 
> supply is plugged in. Interestingly the power charger brick is not at all 
> warm, indicating no charge going in but the little orange light on the 
> magnetic plug is on. 
> 
> Apple website estimates $299 to replace the battery. A new M2 costs $2000
> 
> I use VMware Fusion to run two native PC apps and it works as I require so 
> I’m hesitant to upgrade in case that stops functioning. 
> 
> Do I just get the battery replaced or replace the machine?. I have a feeling 
> it’s no longer supported for OSX upgrades. 
> 
> Wise thoughts appreciated. 
> 
> Tim Law
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[WAMUG] Decision time: MacBook Pro battery

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Good morning

A1502 late 2013 MacBook Pro. Still suitable for purpose. 

Couple of days ago I got a ‘service required’ warning saying the battery was at 
the end of its life. Now the machine won’t start up, even if the power supply 
is plugged in. Interestingly the power charger brick is not at all warm, 
indicating no charge going in but the little orange light on the magnetic plug 
is on. 

Apple website estimates $299 to replace the battery. A new M2 costs $2000

I use VMware Fusion to run two native PC apps and it works as I require so I’m 
hesitant to upgrade in case that stops functioning. 

Do I just get the battery replaced or replace the machine?. I have a feeling 
it’s no longer supported for OSX upgrades. 

Wise thoughts appreciated. 

Tim Law
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