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8/6/2002 2:52:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
cleaning up the air -- the US has some of the
strictest laws in the world on > vehicle emmision /-/ What's the
sense in America reducing it's pollution > by 50% if the rest of the
world increases theirs by 100%
??? When we are talking about
greenhousgasses we are talking about carbon dioxcide and oxidation of
nitrgen. Those greenhousegasses are not taken away by any gadget on cars.
They go out in the athmosphere and destroy the reflction of the suns heat
from the globe. Result: more heat stays in the athmosphere. The efects can
already be seen on the reefs in tropical areas arond the world. There is
only one way to reduce those gasses. Drive less and burn less fuel than
before.
==I'm sorry -- but I can't seem to follow your logic...
our country has banned ingredients from air conditioners, spray cans, and god
knows what else because they cause greenhouse gasses to increase ... you say
it means nothing -- the only way to reduce those gasses is to drive less and
burn less fuel... -- s -- that means we can start using that stuff again
because what we gave up really didn't make a difference? Interesting
concept!
---No. I didn't say that what has been done is invaine. That's good and
you in america are not the only ones doing that. I can not quite follow your
reasoning. Í doubt if you are serious. Really. But the effect by the huge
outlet of the gasses from all engines can not be neglected either. I think
that they are, themselves too much to let it go on if we want the climate to
stay within reasons.
We're developing cleaner cars, cleaner fuels, mass transportation,
people working from their homes rather than commute to work ... but all of
that isn't good enough?
---No, I don't think it's good enough. The sot is local and it's good to
stop it, but the greenhousgasses are global and the are not seen or can be
noticed by a sensible nose, but they are there.
Only my whole country grinding to a halt will satisfy the world that
America is doing her part?
---That problem concerns
all countrys, including those who are starting on their developement to car
commuting society, and as they are countrys with a vast number of inhabitants
- so much more important that they understand the problem of global climate,
but to make them see reason when the country most sold on car commuting
refuse...? Forget it.
Don't try to use President Bush' words in this
question.
==I'm not using Bush's words or anyone else for that matter
... and if I do quote someone I give them credit by the same token --
there are only so many words in the English language, and it's not my fault
that great minds think alike... ---I don't think
reaching President Bush level of thinking very remarkable.:8-)
It's not a
question of beeing against USA. As all other has agreed to reduce greenhouse
gasses it's rather: USA is aginst every body else!==Really? ...
All the countries that were exempted from the Kyoto treaty like Red China and
all the African countries have agreed to abide by it?
---What do you think of
that company? Good educated friends?
I must say -- I'm
impressed... But it's a lot easier starting from nothing and doing things
right than it is to take a fully developed country and correct past mistakes
Still, thunderous applause to all these 3rd world countries who were going to
be part of the problem but have instead decided to be part of the
solution.But what do we do about the ocean floor? Scientists say thats
where the greatest danger lies and there is no way that we can control it
Mother Nature burps a few times and anything that we've done or ever hope to
do is negated.
---Why not solve the
problem we humans have been adding to the nature instead of worry about what
have happened naturally all the time? Try to make it an excuse to make the
problem worse? We can not, of course, do anything about the ocean bottoms. We
have not started it either. But we can do something about the problems we add
ourselves.
I wonder if the UN
can put environmental restrictions on Mother Nature and force her to comply
under threat of world sanctions ...
---Why should it? It's
enough with enviromental restrictions on the most dangerous of spiecies, the
humans!
Claes
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Re: Sv: Re: SV: Sv: Re: SV: {W&P} Here's the text of the Skelton piece...
In a message dated 8/6/2002 2:52:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cleaning up the air -- the US has some of the strictest laws in the world on > vehicle emmision /-/ What's the sense in America reducing it's pollution > by 50% if the rest of the world increases theirs by 100% ??? When we are talking about greenhousgasses we are talking about carbon dioxcide and oxidation of nitrgen. Those greenhousegasses are not taken away by any gadget on cars. They go out in the athmosphere and destroy the reflction of the suns heat from the globe. Result: more heat stays in the athmosphere. The efects can already be seen on the reefs in tropical areas arond the world. There is only one way to reduce those gasses. Drive less and burn less fuel than before. == I'm sorry -- but I can't seem to follow your logic... our country has banned ingredients from air conditioners, spray cans, and god knows what else because they cause greenhouse gasses to increase ... you say it means nothing -- the only way to reduce those gasses is to drive less and burn less fuel... -- s -- that means we can start using that stuff again because what we gave up really didn't make a difference? Interesting concept! We're developing cleaner cars, cleaner fuels, mass transportation, people working from their homes rather than commute to work ... but all of that isn't good enough? Only my whole country grinding to a halt will satisfy the world that America is doing her part? Don't try to use President Bush' words in this question. == I'm not using Bush's words or anyone else for that matter ... and if I do quote someone I give them credit by the same token -- there are only so many words in the English language, and it's not my fault that great minds think alike... It's not a question of beeing against USA. As all other has agreed to reduce greenhouse gasses it's rather: USA is aginst every body else! == Really? ... All the countries that were exempted from the Kyoto treaty like Red China and all the African countries have agreed to abide by it? I must say -- I'm impressed... But it's a lot easier starting from nothing and doing things right than it is to take a fully developed country and correct past mistakes Still, thunderous applause to all these 3rd world countries who were going to be part of the problem but have instead decided to be part of the solution. But what do we do about the ocean floor? Scientists say thats where the greatest danger lies and there is no way that we can control it Mother Nature burps a few times and anything that we've done or ever hope to do is negated. I wonder if the UN can put environmental restrictions on Mother Nature and force her to comply under threat of world sanctions ... Lawana ___ Check out http://clik.to/sf for other lists to join. A93MR48T18 ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1dhdK.b1tdRU Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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> In a message dated 7/30/2002 5:08:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>
> > (RC) My country - right or wrong. Yeah, okay. The love it or leave it
> > mantra is a load of hooey. >>
> > =
> > (LG) For all her faults, I'd put this country up against any other country
> > that has ever existed and there's no doubt in my mind the USA would win,
> > hands down. We may not be perfect, but we're the best this world has ever
> > seen.
> >
> > (AW) Our main fault as a nation is that we are too fair, to humane, to
> > willing to meet others halfway.
> >
> > (CP) > Like in the Kyoto agreement?
>
> ==
> America would sign that treaty if the same rules were applied to all the
> countries. But the way it's written, we end up getting our economy ruined
> while other nations get a free pass to pollute as much as they want to.
>
> Lawana
How could any country that's nearly use no petrol save, in absolute numbers the same
amount as the country that's polluting 25% of an 6% of the earth inhabitants? The
dirtiest have the most cleaning to do. If you have been building your economy on
polluting it's your problem, right?
Claes
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In a message dated 7/30/2002 5:08:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(RC) My country - right or wrong. Yeah, okay. The love it or leave it mantra is a load of hooey. >>
=
(LG) For all her faults, I'd put this country up against any other country that has ever existed and there's no doubt in my mind the USA would win, hands down. We may not be perfect, but we're the best this world has ever seen.
(AW) Our main fault as a nation is that we are too fair, to humane, to willing to meet others halfway.
(CP) > Like in the Kyoto agreement?
==
America would sign that treaty if the same rules were applied to all the countries. But the way it's written, we end up getting our economy ruined while other nations get a free pass to pollute as much as they want to.
Lawana
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In a message dated 7/30/2002 5:08:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have any of you been living in many other countrys in order to be able to compare? Or are you just saluting the flag, no matter what? = My husband spent 6 months in Zaire as a powerline forman. He supervised a crew of 100 cannibals. One of his crew was killed in Kinshasa by a soldier who wanted his shoes. The chief of one village didn't want the powerline going through his village so the soldiers came, took the chief and his whole family out in the middle of the village, killed them all, buried them where they were killed and then a tower was built over their grave. He also visited Italy (Rome) where they have armed soldiers on practically every corner. We've both been to Mexico and I've been to Canada. My brother-in-law spent 2 years in Germany. A close family friend was in Korea for 6 months. And I've had pen-pals in England, Australia and the Netherlands that I wrote to for years. Lawana ___ Check out http://clik.to/sf for other lists to join. A93MR48T18 ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1dhdK.b1tdRU Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: SV: {W&P} Here's the text of the Skelton piece...
In a message dated 7/30/2002 5:08:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (RC) My country - right or wrong. Yeah, okay. The love it or leave it mantra is a load of hooey. >> = (LG) For all her faults, I'd put this country up against any other country that has ever existed and there's no doubt in my mind the USA would win, hands down. We may not be perfect, but we're the best this world has ever seen. (AW) Our main fault as a nation is that we are too fair, to humane, to willing to meet others halfway. (CP) > Like in the Kyoto agreement? == America would sign that treaty if the same rules were applied to all the countries. But the way it's written, we end up getting our economy ruined while other nations get a free pass to pollute as much as they want to. Lawana ___ Check out http://clik.to/sf for other lists to join. A93MR48T18 ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1dhdK.b1tdRU Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
SV: {W&P} Here's the text of the Skelton piece...
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From: Al Winslow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 2:57 AM
Subject: RE: {W&P} Here's the text of the Skelton piece...
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > In a message dated 7/27/02 9:45:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > << My country - right or wrong. Yeah, okay. The love it or leave it
> > mantra is a load of hooey. >>
> >
> > =
> > For all her faults, I'd put this country up against any other country
> > that
> > has ever existed and there's no doubt in my mind the USA would win,
> > hands
> > down.
> > We may not be perfect, but we're the best this world has ever seen.
> >
>
>
> Our main fault as a nation is that we are too fair, to humane, to
> willing to meet others halfway.
--Like in the Kyoto agreement?
>
> Our critics should be very thankful that Americans of my general outlook
> are not fully in charge.
--That's may be the reason that you are not in charge?
>
> I'd start with a massive slaughter in the Bakaa Valley, which is a
> hotbed of terrorist bases. From what I've read, about a dozen low-yield
> nukes delivered by Tomahawk missiles would get it done. Of ourse I'd
> leave the planning details to the miltary experts. It might take 20
> warheads. Or 5. I wouldn't trouble myself with the minor details if I
> wee commander-in-chief.
--No, but worrying about the details will come later, I think.
Claes
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SV: {W&P} Here's the text of the Skelton piece...
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> In a message dated 7/27/02 9:45:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << My country - right or wrong. Yeah, okay. The love it or leave it
> mantra is a load of hooey. >>
>
> =
> For all her faults, I'd put this country up against any other country that > has
>ever existed and there's no doubt in my mind the USA would win, hands
> down.
> We may not be perfect, but we're the best this world has ever seen.
Have any of you been living in many other countrys in order to be able to compare? Or
are you just saluting the flag, no matter what?
Claes
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