[wtr-general] Re: Why watir works even if the DOM is broken??

2009-07-13 Thread Željko Filipin
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Pallavi Sharma 
wrote:
> Can we help with Fire-watir and Chrome-Watir to begin with and also can
take up some doc work.

Wiki is at http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/. Create an account and
fix/update/create any documentation you would like. :)

You can fix bugs in Jira: http://jira.openqa.org/browse/WTR (the same
account for wiki will work).

Code is (almost) all at github, fork it, do what you think should be done,
and send pull requests back to original author.

If you need any help, ask here.

Željko

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[wtr-general] Re: Why watir works even if the DOM is broken??

2009-07-13 Thread Pallavi Sharma
:)

I am a developer cum tester and have a team of same people who are more than
willing to help. Have good knowledge of watir, selenium, sahi, qtp build
frameworks over it.

Of all this i found watir the most stable and best to use.

I mean qtp couldn;t handled sync issues well and watir handles everything so
beautifully that i am most of the times left speechless.

I know ruby, .net, c++, mysql, pgsql, vbscript, java script and i guess i
will learn on the way if required more. language is not an issue nor is
logic reasoning.

Can also help with documentation.

I am interested in first making watir available for all browsers, most of
the times watir usage becomed limited when the web-app requires to be tested
on different web- browsers and that limitation hurts.

Can we help with Fire-watir and Chrome-Watir to begin with and also can take
up some doc work.

We are more than willing.


On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Željko Filipin <
zeljko.fili...@wa-research.ch> wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Pallavi Sharma 
> wrote:
> > Is there a way we can be help to this development?
>
> Yes! :)
>
> If you can code:
>
> I know SafariWatir is not in active development (and Dave, that created it,
> offered help if anybody wants to take it over):
> http://safariwatir.rubyforge.org/
>
> Sai is working on new Firefox driver:
> http://github.com/saivenkat/firedriver/tree/master
>
> and also on ChromeWatir: http://code.google.com/p/chrome-watir/
>
> I am sure Watir and FireWatir code needs some work too:
> http://github.com/bret/watir/tree/master
>
> What are you skills? What are you interested in?
>
> Documentation can be better. If you can just answer questions here, that is
> great too.
>
>
> Željko
>
> >
>

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[wtr-general] Re: Why watir works even if the DOM is broken??

2009-07-13 Thread Željko Filipin
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Pallavi Sharma 
wrote:
> Is there a way we can be help to this development?

Yes! :)

If you can code:

I know SafariWatir is not in active development (and Dave, that created it,
offered help if anybody wants to take it over):
http://safariwatir.rubyforge.org/

Sai is working on new Firefox driver:
http://github.com/saivenkat/firedriver/tree/master

and also on ChromeWatir: http://code.google.com/p/chrome-watir/

I am sure Watir and FireWatir code needs some work too:
http://github.com/bret/watir/tree/master

What are you skills? What are you interested in?

Documentation can be better. If you can just answer questions here, that is
great too.

Željko

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[wtr-general] Re: Why watir works even if the DOM is broken??

2009-07-13 Thread Pallavi Sharma
Yes

You are right most of the web is not valid html, and selenium says that
this doesn't work if the DOM is broken.

What do you suggest then, I believe if we could make watir available for all
OS and browsers nothing could beat watir.

Is there a way we can be help to this development?

Can you let me know.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Željko Filipin <
zeljko.fili...@wa-research.ch> wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Pallavi Sharma 
> wrote:
> > Like Selenium wont work if the DOM is broken, but watir doesn' get
> affected by it..
>
> Watir is not html validator. There are tools like that. Watir just
> automates browser. If browser does not care, Watir does not care.
>
> Selenium does not work with invalid html?! How can that be useful at all?
> After all, most of the web is not valid html.
>
>
> Željko
>
> >
>

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[wtr-general] Re: Why watir works even if the DOM is broken??

2009-07-13 Thread Željko Filipin
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Pallavi Sharma 
wrote:
> Like Selenium wont work if the DOM is broken, but watir doesn' get
affected by it..

Watir is not html validator. There are tools like that. Watir just automates
browser. If browser does not care, Watir does not care.

Selenium does not work with invalid html?! How can that be useful at all?
After all, most of the web is not valid html.

Željko

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[wtr-general] Re: Why watir works even if the DOM is broken??

2009-07-13 Thread Pallavi Sharma
Like unclosed HTML Tags, same IDs etc etc issues. How does watir identifies
an element ?

Like Selenium wont work if the DOM is broken, but watir doesn' get affected
by it..

Thats why im curious..



On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Željko Filipin <
zeljko.fili...@wa-research.ch> wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Pallavi Sharma 
> wrote:
> > Thus DOM being broken or not doesn't hamper watir functionality in any
> way.
>
> I am not sure how DOM can be broken. What do you mean by that. HTML does
> not validate?
>
> Watir can work with any page that you browser opens. If browser thinks page
> is fine, Watir will be happy too.
>
> Željko
>
> >

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[wtr-general] Re: Why watir works even if the DOM is broken??

2009-07-13 Thread Željko Filipin
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Pallavi Sharma 
wrote:
> Thus DOM being broken or not doesn't hamper watir functionality in any
way.

I am not sure how DOM can be broken. What do you mean by that. HTML does not
validate?

Watir can work with any page that you browser opens. If browser thinks page
is fine, Watir will be happy too.

Željko

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