Re: [Web-SIG] A trivial template API counter-proposal

2006-02-04 Thread Guido van Rossum
perspective, namely *using* various templating engines from an app that otherwise doesn't use a framework but still needs templating. (PS having tried WSGI a bit now I'm fine with it. Perhaps wsgiref should go into the Python 2.5 standard library?) -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http

Re: [Web-SIG] My original template API proposal

2006-02-05 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 2/5/06, Ian Bicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect most templates will buffer their output internally, unless somehow configured or dynamically set not to do so. Why would they? Isn't that a function that the web server typically does? -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http

Re: [Web-SIG] A trivial template API counter-proposal

2006-02-05 Thread Guido van Rossum
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Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI in standard library

2006-02-14 Thread Guido van Rossum
a real web server for production use. Let's make it so. I propose to add wsgiref to the standard library and nothing more. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI in standard library

2006-02-14 Thread Guido van Rossum
that's needed to make everybody happy, I'd be happy to volunteer if no-one else does. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI in standard library

2006-02-14 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 2/14/06, Phillip J. Eby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make everybody *happy*? Now *that*'s wishful thinking. ;) I usually settle for doesn't annoy anybody enough to cause a fork. Oh, I'll gladly make them fork. Good riddance. :-) -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI in standard library

2006-02-14 Thread Guido van Rossum
are these for?) -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI in standard library

2006-02-15 Thread Guido van Rossum
requires a lot more OpenSSL APIs to be exposed. Also, managing an SSL server *securely* requires much care. So perhaps having to use an external library (pyopenssl or m2crypto) could be appropriate. But it's nothing fundamental. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI in standard library

2006-02-15 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 2/14/06, Clark C. Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 12:49:00PM -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: | There are many different ways to judge production quality. If we're | talking about correct, (standards-compliant, even) code, I wholly | agree. Fantastic. I just don't

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI in standard library

2006-02-17 Thread Guido van Rossum
and assign it to me. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI in standard library

2006-03-15 Thread Guido van Rossum
| (http://cvs.eby-sarna.com/wsgiref/src/wsgiref/simple_server.py?rev=1.2view=markup) | are all pretty short. It would be better to discuss the particulars. | Is there a code path in one or more of these servers which you think is | unneeded and problematic? -- --Guido van Rossum (home page

Re: [Web-SIG] minor bug in PEP 333 example

2006-04-03 Thread Guido van Rossum
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Re: [Web-SIG] Adding wsgiref to stdlib

2006-04-28 Thread Guido van Rossum
to convince me either. Maybe you can convince Phillip; I'm going to try to sit on my hands now. --Guido On 4/28/06, Ian Bicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guido van Rossum wrote: I think another useful addition would be some prefix-based dispatcher, similar to paste.urlmap (but probably a bit

Re: [Web-SIG] Adding wsgiref to stdlib

2006-04-28 Thread Guido van Rossum
for doing what you think is best. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI Server implementation which runs as a Windows service

2006-04-28 Thread Guido van Rossum
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Re: [Web-SIG] [Python-Dev] Adding wsgiref to stdlib

2006-05-02 Thread Guido van Rossum
; think tail wagging the doc.) -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI, cgi.FieldStorage incompatibility

2006-09-29 Thread Guido van Rossum
. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Web-SIG] wsgiref questions

2006-12-20 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 12/20/06, Phillip J. Eby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:06 PM 12/20/2006 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: On 12/20/06, Phillip J. Eby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:12 AM 12/20/2006 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: We're struggling to use wsgiref behind some Googlish infrastructure, and one

Re: [Web-SIG] wsgiref questions

2006-12-22 Thread Guido van Rossum
but never did, so the version distributed with Python 2.5 has a few strange ideosyncracies that I'm afraid to clean up because last time someone touched Phillip's code he threw a fit.) -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido

Re: [Web-SIG] wsgiref questions

2006-12-22 Thread Guido van Rossum
Google internals. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail

Re: [Web-SIG] Can't we all just get along? (was: Re: wsgiconfig design)

2007-07-08 Thread Guido van Rossum
the install functionality to a separate brand name might be easier (as Ian observed). -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe

Re: [Web-SIG] WebOb

2007-10-22 Thread Guido van Rossum
the most important attributes and with a quick listing of others (like all the properties for the individual HTTP headers). Yes please. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI, Python 3 and Unicode

2007-12-06 Thread Guido van Rossum
manage to pass in Py3k though. ;-) -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI, Python 3 and Unicode

2007-12-06 Thread Guido van Rossum
though, as it is caused by something outside our control (HTTP and browsers). -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI, Python 3 and Unicode

2007-12-08 Thread Guido van Rossum
. The encoding can/must be specified per text stream. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI, Python 3 and Unicode

2007-12-10 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Dec 9, 2007 7:56 PM, Graham Dumpleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 09/12/2007, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2007 12:37 AM, Graham Dumpleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08/12/2007, Phillip J. Eby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * When running under Python 3, servers MUST

[Web-SIG] Fwd: [Baypiggies] News flash: Python possibly guilty in excessive DTD traffic

2008-02-08 Thread Guido van Rossum
://www.dartworks.biz/ = ___ Baypiggies mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -- --Guido van Rossum

Re: [Web-SIG] Time a for JSON parser in the standard library?

2008-03-10 Thread Guido van Rossum
in the standard lib. And, I think that it should be simplejson which is used by TurboGears, Pylons, and bundled with Django. +1 +1 here too. Brett should probably figure out where to put it. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido

Re: [Web-SIG] Time a for JSON parser in the standard library?

2008-03-10 Thread Guido van Rossum
fix this. How hard can it be? -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive

Re: [Web-SIG] Python 3.0 and WSGI 1.0.

2009-04-01 Thread Guido van Rossum
the cgi module needlessly if we can instead use unicode for those 3 environ entries. I'll report back here. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web

Re: [Web-SIG] Python 3.0 and WSGI 1.0.

2009-04-01 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Ian Bicking i...@colorstudy.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Robert Brewer fuman...@aminus.org wrote: Good timing. We had been thinking to make everything strings except

Re: [Web-SIG] Python 3.0 and WSGI 1.0.

2009-04-01 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:37 PM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: At 01:09 PM 4/1/2009 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: Well you could make the bytes versions available under different keys. I think you do something a bit similar this in webob, e.g. req.params vs. req.str_params. (Perhaps

Re: [Web-SIG] PEP 444 (aka Web3)

2010-09-16 Thread Guido van Rossum
://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/guido%40python.org -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web

Re: [Web-SIG] [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:00 PM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: At 02:07 PM 9/25/2010 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: This is a very laudable initiative and I approve of the changes -- but I really think it ought to be a separate PEP rather than pretending it is just a set of textual

Re: [Web-SIG] [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread Guido van Rossum
and I'm happy to approve a new PEP which includes PJE's corrections. I'm not going to approve Final status for a history-rewrite of PEP 333. -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http

Re: [Web-SIG] [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Sep 26, 2010, at 1:33 PM, P.J. Eby wrote: At 08:20 AM 9/26/2010 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: I'm happy approving Final status for the *original* PEP 333 and I'm happy to approve a new PEP which includes PJE's

Re: [Web-SIG] [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread Guido van Rossum
a similar note at the top of PEP -- maybe mark up the differences in PEP so people can easily tell what was added. And move PEP 333 to Final status. --Guido On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 1:50 PM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: At 01:44 PM 9/26/2010 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Sun

Re: [Web-SIG] Is PEP 3333 the final solution for WSGI on Python 3?

2010-10-24 Thread Guido van Rossum
, but Deferred is an official state, and describes quite clearly what state it is in -- not obsolete, but without an active champion. And here I thought for a second you were changing the topic to Twisted. :-) -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido

Re: [Web-SIG] PEP 444 != WSGI 2.0

2011-01-02 Thread Guido van Rossum
become a reality in 2011. -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Web-SIG] PEP 444 != WSGI 2.0

2011-01-02 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Alice Bevan–McGregor al...@gothcandy.comwrote: On 2011-01-02 09:21:29 -0800, Guido van Rossum said: Alice hasn't posted a link to her rewrite of PEP 444 in a while. AFAICT it's this: https://github.com/GothAlice/wsgi2/blob/master/pep444.textile. I find

Re: [Web-SIG] PEP 444 != WSGI 2.0

2011-01-02 Thread Guido van Rossum
? Maybe seeing a concrete proposal will help us all see how big or small of a shoehorn will be needed. (Just trying to keep this thread from degenerating into a shouting match.) -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG

Re: [Web-SIG] Declaring PEP 3333 accepted (was: PEP 444 != WSGI 2.0)

2011-01-03 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Jacob Kaplan-Moss ja...@jacobian.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: Although [PEP ] is still marked as draft, I personally think of it as accepted; [...] What does it take to get PEP formally marked

Re: [Web-SIG] [Python-Dev] PEP 3333: wsgi_string() function

2011-01-04 Thread Guido van Rossum
that. -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Web-SIG] PEP 444 / WSGI 2 Async

2011-01-06 Thread Guido van Rossum
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Re: [Web-SIG] Declaring PEP 3333 accepted (was: PEP 444 != WSGI 2.0)

2011-01-06 Thread Guido van Rossum
that mean PEP can be accepted now? TBH I've totally lost track. Hopefully PJE and Graham can tell you... -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http

Re: [Web-SIG] Declaring PEP 3333 accepted (was: PEP 444 != WSGI 2.0)

2011-01-07 Thread Guido van Rossum
. -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Web-SIG] PEP 444 feature request - Futures executor

2011-01-07 Thread Guido van Rossum
://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/guido%40python.org -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail

Re: [Web-SIG] Declaring PEP 3333 accepted (was: PEP 444 != WSGI 2.0)

2011-01-10 Thread Guido van Rossum
, if no more technical problems (vs cosmetic) that anyone else sees, that is probably it and and we can toss this baby out the door. Graham -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org

Re: [Web-SIG] Declaring PEP 3333 accepted (was: PEP 444 != WSGI 2.0)

2011-01-12 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Alice Bevan–McGregor al...@gothcandy.com wrote: On 2011-01-10 13:12:57 -0800, Guido van Rossum said: Ok, now that we've had a week of back and forth about this, let me repeat my threat. Unless more concerns are brought up in the next 24 hours, can PEP

Re: [Web-SIG] [python-tulip] Re: [Python-Dev] wsgi validator with asynchronous handlers/servers

2013-03-24 Thread Guido van Rossum
if needed. Regards Luca -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail-archive.com

[Web-SIG] Flurry of old posts appearing

2014-09-15 Thread Guido van Rossum
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Re: [Web-SIG] Flurry of old posts appearing

2014-09-15 Thread Guido van Rossum
Wow. May I suggest asking for some new moderators? I understand the need to moderate posts (to prevent spam) but this isn't exactly encouraging to new contributors to the community... On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Bill Janssen jans...@parc.com wrote: Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote

Re: [Web-SIG] WSGI: allowing short reads

2014-09-27 Thread Guido van Rossum
list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/guido%40python.org -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) ___ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http