On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Etienne Robillard
robillard.etie...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Jim,
Thanks for that. I'm sorry that I've been rude
with you and realize my mistake. I didn't know you were engaged with
Zope from a long time. Yet I'm still mostly a Python rookie after all...
I
On Jun 21, 2009, at 7:06 PM, Aaron Watters wrote:
[whoops: graham, I meant to 'reply all', sorry for repeat]
--- On Sat, 6/20/09, Graham Dumpleton graham.dumple...@gmail.com
wrote
Personally I believe 'bobo' would be a good alternative for
the people
who currently get drawn to the
--- On Sun, 6/21/09, Graham Dumpleton graham.dumple...@gmail.com wrote:
In other words, bobo doesn't need to support that sort of
mechanism
directly as Apache/mod_wsgi makes it a reasonably trivial
thing to do.
Nice!
Ideally the same mechanism should work for other WSGI
implementations,
On Jun 18, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Etienne Robillard wrote:
It is suggested that most web frameworks authors aims at a very
(wide?)
audience and bet that most peoples are bozos, clowns, or idiots. I
think
this rationale might work in some cases, because users of thoses
frameworks indeed might not
On Jun 19, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Chris Withers wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
I'm working on another project, bozo, to facilitate using bobo
resources in Zope and use Zope components with bobo applications.
Cool, hopefully bozo can be used for non-Zope applications too :-)
bozo.component will be.
2009/6/20 Jim Fulton j...@zope.com:
On Jun 18, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Etienne Robillard wrote:
It is suggested that most web frameworks authors aims at a very (wide?)
audience and bet that most peoples are bozos, clowns, or idiots. I think
this rationale might work in some cases, because users of
Hey,
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 3:55 AM, Sergey Schetininmal...@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]
In particular you should be able to assign a
component to any URL in the same sense that you
can give an object any name. You should also
be able to build relocatable URL trees which can
be mounted
(Note that this discussion is getting rather dense. I suggest reading
my reply all the way through befor responding to individual points. :)
On Jun 17, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Sergey Schetinin wrote:
On 2009-06-17, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
On Jun 16, 2009, at 11:02 AM, Sergey Schetinin
On 2009-06-18, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
(Note that this discussion is getting rather dense. I suggest reading my
reply all the way through befor responding to individual points. :)
On Jun 17, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Sergey Schetinin wrote:
On 2009-06-17, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
On 2009-06-19, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
At 02:46 AM 6/19/2009 +0300, Sergey Schetinin wrote:
but wouldn't it be nice if we could finally just do
things like
from somebody_else.forum import ForumApp
urlmap['/forum'] = ForumApp(db_config=...)
The Folder example in the
On 2009-06-19, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
So you could implement your urlmap above more or less like this:
@bobo.scan_class
class UrlMap(dict):
@bobo.subroute('/:name')
def subitem(self, name):
try:
return self[name]
except KeyError:
On 16-06-2009, Etienne Robillard wrote:
Pfft, I bet this thread would have never happened without my initial
intervention. Likewise, I think you're just using this thread for your
own interests, disregarding my own arguments on why web frameworks are
so hard to cope with.
If you want to
+1 Bobo. I like stuff Jim writes.
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On Jun 16, 2009, at 12:39 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
...
He said it the goal is for it to be simple,
he didn't say other people's works are complicated.
Yup, however I can see how You don't have to be a genius could be
construed as implying that you do have to be a genius to use other
Hey Jim,
Jim Fulton wrote:
Bobo is a light-weight framework for creating WSGI web applications.
Do you know if there are plans/possibilities to make the routing part of
Bobo available for other frameworks and/or in a non-decorator fashion?
cheers,
Chris
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On Jun 17, 2009, at 5:12 AM, Chris Withers wrote:
Hey Jim,
Jim Fulton wrote:
Bobo is a light-weight framework for creating WSGI web applications.
Do you know if there are plans/possibilities to make the routing
part of Bobo available for other frameworks
I'm working on another project,
Re Jim's summary of URL routing
...I hope this helps ...
It helped me. Interesting summary. Thanks.
I'm all for making things as simple and explicit
as possible (at least as an optional or default behavior)
and it looks like Bobo is much better
than many other approaches in supporting simple
On 2009-06-18, Aaron Watters arw1...@yahoo.com wrote:
--- On Wed, 6/17/09, Sergey Schetinin mal...@gmail.com wrote:
When considering webapps and what urls they should handle
it seems
like the same should apply -- webapps define contained
blocks of
functionality and the task of
On 2009-06-16, Etienne Robillard robillard.etie...@gmail.com wrote:
Nothing very new here. At least next time try to be a little more
creative, otherwise this is getting slightly boring and repetitive...
I think that's a bit rough, but indeed there are quite a few
frameworks / components
At 05:19 PM 6/16/2009 +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote:
Hey,
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Etienne
Robillardrobillard.etie...@gmail.com wrote:
Nothing very new here. At least next time try to be a little more
creative, otherwise this is getting slightly boring and repetitive...
It's a bit
Martin,
I don't care about '97, pretty much.
I think that if this Jim guy has lots of experience then at least he
could not pretend that other people works are made by/for geniuses,
which is probably untrue anyway.
There's other ways to advertise a open source project. One method
is to
Nobody minds calling functions from other
functions --
that's basics of programming, but for some reason URL
dispatching is
seen as something different. Why?
I don't know, but every time I see a strange
data structure with regular expressions in it that
is supposed to define my web
Hey,
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Etienne
Robillardrobillard.etie...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't care about '97, pretty much.
Those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it. :)
I think that if this Jim guy has lots of experience then at least he
could not pretend that other
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Etienne
Robillardrobillard.etie...@gmail.com wrote:
Martin,
I don't care about '97, pretty much.
I think that if this Jim guy has lots of experience then at least he
could not pretend that other people works are made by/for geniuses,
which is probably
Jim Fulton wrote:
Bobo is a light-weight framework for creating WSGI web applications.
It's goal is to be easy to use and remember. You don't have to be a genius.
It addresses 2 problems:
- Mapping URLs to objects
- Calling objects to generate HTTP responses
Bobo doesn't have a
Hey,
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Aaron Wattersarw1...@yahoo.com wrote:
[snip]
If python had a framework that had a simple and
straightforward organization 5 to 10 years ago I don't
think either PHP or Ruby/Rails would have ever evolved.
5 years ago would've been far too late for PHP.
Hey, don't you people know that you could use a more polite word
than Hey to salute people ?
I'm just telling my own views. If you disagree then please say something
more meaningful than this. Who cares what you know.
Senthil Kumaran wrote:
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:15:29PM -0400, Etienne
I recommend you quit using latin to try looking smarter. ;)
I do I'm discouraged to see so much adversion between Python web
frameworks fighting for the same goal.
To say that you don't to be a genius implies that all other web
frameworks are made for geniuses, which is probably offending for
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:51:48PM -0400, Etienne Robillard wrote:
Hey, don't you people know that you could use a more polite word
than Hey to salute people ?
I'm just telling my own views. If you disagree then please say something
more meaningful than this. Who cares what you know.
Sorry
...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Web-SIG] Announcing bobo
Ad hominen isn't using latin to look smart. It's a common-term
description of a type of argument... which just happens to be latin.
You probably already knew that, but based on your previous emails I
wasn't sure -- so just for your info.
J
On 16
Hey all,
I think we can pretty safely ignore Etienne as either a troll or an
unnecessarily rude person.
Has anyone looked at Bobo yet? I'd be interested in comparisons between
it and Quixote, which is what I've mostly used in the past. I believe
that Bobo begat Zope, which begat Quixote as (I
Pfft, I bet this thread would have never happened without my initial
intervention. Likewise, I think you're just using this thread for your
own interests, disregarding my own arguments on why web frameworks are
so hard to cope with.
If you want to start a thread for Bobo, please switch
[Etienne]
If you want to start a thread for Bobo, please switch mailing-list or
create a new thread, as all I wanted was to tell Jim my disappointement
regarding Bobo, and I still think its not very revolutionary.
I completely disagree; this is definitely the appopriate list for
discussing web
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