Re: [webkit-dev] hovers and mouseovers
Leon, I've assumed that you had meant to copy to list.. do you have experience of using a touchscreen with a pc or mac? they usually provide an option to configure. does the iphone provide a method for keyboard navigation? for instance for use by someone who is blind, or has reduced fine motor skills. some drop-down lists do provide links for the initial keywords, this can be an accessibility benefit. for instance where CSS is disabled or unavailable. regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 28 Dec 2007, at 18:32, Leon Scroggins wrote: On Dec 28, 2007 1:16 PM, "~:'' ありがとうございました。" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Leon, could you expand on your query? making an element visible changes it's appearance, though I almost understand what you mean. how do you mean "treat them differently"? For example, if you use the iPhone to go to cnn.com and tap on "WORLD" (just below CNN.com at the top of the page), it follows the link. On a PC/Mac, moving the mouse over "WORLD" would change its background to red, and clicking on it would follow the link. However, using the iPhone to go to stanford.edu and tapping on "Academic Programs" (below the search box) shows a menu to the side of it. Tapping again follows the link. This is very different from a PC/Mac, where hovering over it would bring up the menu, and clicking would immediately follow the link. Somehow the iPhone is able to distinguish between the two cases, but I have not been able to replicate it. -- This message is the property of Leon Scroggins and contains information which may be privileged or confidential. It is meant only for the intended recipients and/or their authorized agents. If you believe you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail, and destroy any printed or electronic copies of this message. Any unauthorized use, dissemination, disclosure, or copying of this message or the information contained in it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Thank you. ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] hovers and mouseovers
Leon, could you expand on your query? making an element visible changes it's appearance, though I almost understand what you mean. how do you mean "treat them differently"? cheers Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 28 Dec 2007, at 17:14, Leon Scroggins wrote: Does anyone know how to differentiate between mouseovers/hovers that simply change the appearance of an element (such as an underline or a color change) and those that add new content (such as popping down a dropdown menu)? The iPhone developers seem to have figured it out, since they treat them differently. -- This message is the property of Leon Scroggins and contains information which may be privileged or confidential. It is meant only for the intended recipients and/or their authorized agents. If you believe you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail, and destroy any printed or electronic copies of this message. Any unauthorized use, dissemination, disclosure, or copying of this message or the information contained in it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Thank you. ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] SVG London User Group meeting 5/10/07
oops should read: SVG London User Group meeting 5/10/07 It's been a while ~:" Please let me know whether you would like to present or plan to attend. We have three short talks planned so far, ONS, Met. Office, Peepo. The Office of National Statistics has offered to host our next meeting at their Pimlico Office: 4:00-6:00p.m. Friday 5th October 2007 the entrance is directly outside Pimlico tube station. http://www.statistics.gov.uk/about_ns/locations/onsmaps.asp We will retire to a local hostelry if there is demand. The ONS security requires a list of all attendees, so please be sure to email me. regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
[webkit-dev] SVG London User Group meeting 5/10/07
SVG London User Group meeting 5/10/07 It's been a while ~:" Please let me know whether you would like to present or plan to attend. Jim & Libby, any chance of a talk on [EMAIL PROTECTED] or something else? We have three short talks planned so far, ONS, Met. Office, Peepo. The Office of National Statistics has offered to host our next meeting at their Pimlico Office: 4:00-6:00p.m. Friday 5th October 2007 the entrance is directly outside Pimlico tube station. http://www.statistics.gov.uk/about_ns/locations/onsmaps.asp We will retire to a local hostelry if there is demand. The ONS security requires a list of all attendees, so please be sure to email me. regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] SVG performance benchmark
Webkit makes a very poor implementation for those who cannot, don't wish to, or do not have access to a mouse. Keyboard navigation isn't supported, so the time to load is really irrelevant if the user has any input. Opera doesn't support foreignObject, though there is a temporary hack. Client side support for more than one language isn't available. Camino or firefox are easy winners for getting the most out of http:// www.peepo.co.uk/index.svg Client-side scripting isn't used at all, SVG, CSS and HTML. manipulating the DOM via script may offer the author exciting opportunities, however there are many good reasons not to use client- side scripting. One being that it interferes with assistive technologies, and is frequently turned off. cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 19 Apr 2007, at 06:58, Andreas Neumann wrote: Working a lot with SVG on the Mac I can confirm that the Webkit implementation is among the faster. In some cases the Adobe SVG viewer is still faster, but Webkit is faster when it comes to DOM manipulations, creating/changing/deleting a lot of elements. I still have to track down the cases where the Adobe viewer performs significantly better than Webkit. Opera 9 is probably the most complete browser when it comes to SVG features, but it is slower especially when the size of the SVG DOM is larger than >5-1 elements. Firefox SVG on the Mac is awfully slow, maybe due to the fact that Cairo is poorly implemented on the Mac? (just a guess). On Windows, Firefox SVG performs a lot better, on Linux I get very different results, depending on XServer/Graphics card. It will be interesting to see how well webkit performs for animations and filters, once they get implemented in future releases. Andreas Ryan Breen wrote: http://www.ajaxperformance.com/?p=58 http://ajaxian.com/archives/performance-test-results-show-strong- webkit-outcome Thought you might be interested to see some cross browser SVG benchmarks which show the latest WebKit nightlies as the top performer for a Dojo Charts application. Ryan ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev -- -- -- Andreas Neumann Institute of Cartography ETH Zurich Wolfgang-Paulistrasse 15 CH-8093 Zurich, Switzerland Phone: ++41-44-633 3031, Fax: ++41-44-633 1153 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.carto.net/neumann/ SVG.Open: http://www.svgopen.org/ Carto.net: http://www.carto.net/ ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
[webkit-dev] Re: 2nd call: how to enable keyboard navigation?
Re: 2nd call: how to enable keyboard navigation? Oliver, it would be great if someone would comment on bug 8823 and assign it. IMHO this issue is a blocker on general deployment of webkit and should be marked as such. OS X is building on a great operating system, but 'Universal Access' has the possibility of suggesting tokenism, and thus attracting the type of bad publicity that this behaviour merits. Adobe Flash suffers from continuing bad press regarding accessibility, despite having made progress recently. kind regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Learning Disabilities and the Internet 29 Crimsworth Road SW8 4RJ 020 7978 1764 http://www.eas-i.co.uk On 27 Mar 2007, at 22:11, Oliver Hunt wrote: That I am aware it's not currently possible to do keyboard nav in SVG -- i'm assuming you a meaning tabbing between links in SVG? --Oliver ~:'' ありがとうございました。 wrote: 2nd call: how to enable keyboard navigation? originally asked 24/3/07 how to enable keyboard navigation? Oliver, Can I also mention the lack of keyboard navigation? It's another bug: http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8823 from an accessibility perspective this is awful, how's a blind person, or someone who prefers a keyboard to navigate SVG? again try http://www.peepo.co.uk/index.svg tested to work on mozilla, camino and opera. best wishes Jonathan Chetwynd On 24 Mar 2007, at 14:47, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 wrote: http://www.peepo.co.uk/index.svg works well enough in mozilla and opera. our users cannot read or write, many benefit from audio feedback. unfortunately webkit doesn't provide a method. opera offers whatwg as an alternative. cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 24 Mar 2007, at 12:11, Oliver Hunt wrote: In SVG? not until we're comfortable with the stability of the rest SVG. There are many details of foreignObject that make it difficult to ensure we won't do anything unsafe with layers What were you needing it for? --Oliver On 22/03/2007, at 11:17 AM, ~:'' ありがとうございまし た。 wrote: foreignObject enable? bdash, maciej or whoever, when would it be likely that foreignObject support will be enabled? cheers Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Learning Disabilities and the Internet 29 Crimsworth Road SW8 4RJ 020 7978 1764 http://www.eas-i.co.uk ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
[webkit-dev] 2nd call: how to enable keyboard navigation?
2nd call: how to enable keyboard navigation? originally asked 24/3/07 how to enable keyboard navigation? Oliver, Can I also mention the lack of keyboard navigation? It's another bug: http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8823 from an accessibility perspective this is awful, how's a blind person, or someone who prefers a keyboard to navigate SVG? again try http://www.peepo.co.uk/index.svg tested to work on mozilla, camino and opera. best wishes Jonathan Chetwynd On 24 Mar 2007, at 14:47, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 wrote: http://www.peepo.co.uk/index.svg works well enough in mozilla and opera. our users cannot read or write, many benefit from audio feedback. unfortunately webkit doesn't provide a method. opera offers whatwg as an alternative. cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 24 Mar 2007, at 12:11, Oliver Hunt wrote: In SVG? not until we're comfortable with the stability of the rest SVG. There are many details of foreignObject that make it difficult to ensure we won't do anything unsafe with layers What were you needing it for? --Oliver On 22/03/2007, at 11:17 AM, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 wrote: foreignObject enable? bdash, maciej or whoever, when would it be likely that foreignObject support will be enabled? cheers Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Learning Disabilities and the Internet 29 Crimsworth Road SW8 4RJ 020 7978 1764 http://www.eas-i.co.uk ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
[webkit-dev] how to enable keyboard navigation?
how to enable keyboard navigation? Oliver, Can I also mention the lack of keyboard navigation? It's another bug: http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8823 from an accessibility perspective this is awful, how's a blind person, or someone who prefers a keyboard to navigate SVG? again try http://www.peepo.co.uk/index.svg tested to work on mozilla, camino and opera. best wishes Jonathan Chetwynd On 24 Mar 2007, at 14:47, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 wrote: http://www.peepo.co.uk/index.svg works well enough in mozilla and opera. our users cannot read or write, many benefit from audio feedback. unfortunately webkit doesn't provide a method. opera offers whatwg as an alternative. cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 24 Mar 2007, at 12:11, Oliver Hunt wrote: In SVG? not until we're comfortable with the stability of the rest SVG. There are many details of foreignObject that make it difficult to ensure we won't do anything unsafe with layers What were you needing it for? --Oliver On 22/03/2007, at 11:17 AM, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 wrote: foreignObject enable? bdash, maciej or whoever, when would it be likely that foreignObject support will be enabled? cheers Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Learning Disabilities and the Internet 29 Crimsworth Road SW8 4RJ 020 7978 1764 http://www.eas-i.co.uk ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] foreignObject enable?
http://www.peepo.co.uk/index.svg works well enough in mozilla and opera. our users cannot read or write, many benefit from audio feedback. unfortunately webkit doesn't provide a method. opera offers whatwg as an alternative. cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 24 Mar 2007, at 12:11, Oliver Hunt wrote: In SVG? not until we're comfortable with the stability of the rest SVG. There are many details of foreignObject that make it difficult to ensure we won't do anything unsafe with layers What were you needing it for? --Oliver On 22/03/2007, at 11:17 AM, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 wrote: foreignObject enable? bdash, maciej or whoever, when would it be likely that foreignObject support will be enabled? cheers Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Learning Disabilities and the Internet 29 Crimsworth Road SW8 4RJ 020 7978 1764 http://www.eas-i.co.uk ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
[webkit-dev] foreignObject enable?
foreignObject enable? bdash, maciej or whoever, when would it be likely that foreignObject support will be enabled? cheers Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Learning Disabilities and the Internet 29 Crimsworth Road SW8 4RJ 020 7978 1764 http://www.eas-i.co.uk ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
