Re: [OT] Play! Framework

2011-03-25 Thread Ravi Mendis
Just b'cos Clojure is a dynamic language, it doesn't make it anything like Obj-C. Clojure like Scala is a strongly typed language (typical of functional languages). So I doubt Clojure being a better match for WO+EOF than Scala... On 11/03/2011, at 7:47 PM, Ray Kiddy wrote: > I actually think

Re: [OT] Play! Framework

2011-03-13 Thread Ravi Mendis
Yes, of course. On 14/03/2011, at 1:57 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > On Mar 13, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Ravi Mendis wrote: >> >> IMO the primary motivation customers have for moving off WebObjects is its >> inability to perform in an increasingly multi-core processor world. > > You are referring to the si

Re: [OT] Play! Framework

2011-03-13 Thread Chuck Hill
On Mar 13, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Ravi Mendis wrote: > > I recently evaluated a couple of these new app servers (for Scala) and i > found Play! to be the slowest (in terms of > scalability/concurrency)...considerably so. > In fact i think Play! was slower than WebObjects...[though i can't remember

Re: [OT] Play! Framework

2011-03-13 Thread Michael Kondratov
WO scales beautifully on multi core and multi server systems. I think much better then many other systems. Sent from my iPad On Mar 13, 2011, at 21:07, Ravi Mendis wrote: > > I recently evaluated a couple of these new app servers (for Scala) and i > found Play! to be the slowest (in terms of

Re: [OT] Play! Framework

2011-03-13 Thread Pascal Robert
Speaking of performance, one of the reasons I want "clean" URLs is to play with reverse proxy and caching headers. I went to a conference (Confoo, I think we should merge WOWODC with that conference next year...) where they talked about using proxies and using Etags + Cache-* headers to reduce t

Re: [OT] Play! Framework

2011-03-13 Thread Ravi Mendis
I recently evaluated a couple of these new app servers (for Scala) and i found Play! to be the slowest (in terms of scalability/concurrency)...considerably so. In fact i think Play! was slower than WebObjects...[though i can't remember for sure] IMO the primary motivation customers have for mov

Re: [OT] Play! Framework

2011-03-11 Thread Lachlan Deck
On 11/03/2011, at 8:21 PM, Orphee Sandjo wrote: >> On 11/03/2011, at 2:37 PM, Joe Little wrote: >> >>> Well, I grok groovy more than scala, but that isn't saying much. I >>> just see Grails as getting everything right about Java (for the most >>> part) >> >> nothing wrong with groovy or Grails.

Re: [OT] Play! Framework

2011-03-11 Thread Orphee Sandjo
On 11/03/2011, at 2:37 PM, Joe Little wrote: Well, I grok groovy more than scala, but that isn't saying much. I just see Grails as getting everything right about Java (for the most part) nothing wrong with groovy or Grails. For a statically typed, OO & functional lang I'm liking scala. But

Re: [OT] Play! Framework

2011-03-11 Thread Lachlan Deck
On 11/03/2011, at 2:37 PM, Joe Little wrote: > Well, I grok groovy more than scala, but that isn't saying much. I > just see Grails as getting everything right about Java (for the most > part) nothing wrong with groovy or Grails. For a statically typed, OO & functional lang I'm liking scala. But

Re: [OT] Play! Framework

2011-03-11 Thread Lachlan Deck
On 11/03/2011, at 8:50 AM, Ray Kiddy wrote: > On Mar 10, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Anjo Krank wrote: > >> Just finished glancing through a Scala book... how do you implement faulting >> with it? You know: Bar bar = foo.getBar(). The only thing I saw is >> continuation-passing, which is async by nature?

Re: [OT] Play! Framework

2011-03-10 Thread Anjo Krank
> If you want the benefits of using Scala, you need to go to the old idea that > every editing context will need its own entirely separate EOF stack. There is > an obvious mis-match in the conceptual frames here As I said, I just glanced through it, but it seems to me that what scala is do

Re: [OT] Play! Framework

2011-03-10 Thread Joe Little
Well, I grok groovy more than scala, but that isn't saying much. I just see Grails as getting everything right about Java (for the most part) and picking what was right about Rails. Liftweb seems to make my brain hurt, and Play is a minimal Grails without half the traction to getting things done.

Re: [OT] Play! Framework

2011-03-10 Thread Ray Kiddy
On Mar 10, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Anjo Krank wrote: > Just finished glancing through a Scala book... how do you implement faulting > with it? You know: Bar bar = foo.getBar(). The only thing I saw is > continuation-passing, which is async by nature? > > Cheers, Anjo > In order to use WO stuff wit

Re: [OT] Play! Framework

2011-03-10 Thread Anjo Krank
Just finished glancing through a Scala book... how do you implement faulting with it? You know: Bar bar = foo.getBar(). The only thing I saw is continuation-passing, which is async by nature? Cheers, Anjo Am 10.03.2011 um 21:18 schrieb Lachlan Deck: > lift (for scala) is pretty cool. > > htt

Re: [OT] Play! Framework

2011-03-10 Thread Lachlan Deck
lift (for scala) is pretty cool. http://liftweb.net/ http://demo.liftweb.net/ http://exploring.liftweb.net/ On 11/03/2011, at 3:25 AM, Joe Little wrote: > Grails is more similar to WO than Play though -- especially > considering GORM approaches some of the niceties of EOF and Wonder > qualifiers

Re: [OT] Play! Framework

2011-03-10 Thread Joe Little
Grails is more similar to WO than Play though -- especially considering GORM approaches some of the niceties of EOF and Wonder qualifiers. Both easier in the easy case, but harder when you have multiple relationships (stuck with Hibernate criteria builders then) On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Pa

Re: [OT] Play! Framework

2011-03-09 Thread Pascal Robert
Le 2011-03-09 à 20:57, Mike Schrag a écrit : > of the non-wo java web frameworks, Play is the only one that ever looked > interesting to me ... definitely inherits a lot of "remove the crap" from > rails, which is nice. i haven't built anything with it, but it looked like a > nice framework fr

Re: [OT] Play! Framework

2011-03-09 Thread Mike Schrag
of the non-wo java web frameworks, Play is the only one that ever looked interesting to me ... definitely inherits a lot of "remove the crap" from rails, which is nice. i haven't built anything with it, but it looked like a nice framework from the docs and examples. ms On Mar 9, 2011, at 8:41

[OT] Play! Framework

2011-03-09 Thread Pascal Robert
I saw a demo of the Play! Framework (http://www.playframework.org) at a conference today, and I must say that it's the first time that I saw something that I really want to try out. It seems like a good mix between Ruby on Rails and WO, so I was wondering if someone else here have tried out that