Re: [libreoffice-website] [Proposal] A central employment-office-like web structure for LibO volunteers
In data 29 maggio 2011 alle ore 00:16:24, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl ha
scritto:
But reading Gianlucas sentence again ('wannabe developers that have no
clue about where and how to ask for suggestions') I must say that I do
not understand either what my reply could help with that, since I guess
people with developing skills know IRC, bugtracker, ... so I do not
understand the problem at all. Sorry for the confusion.
Is there currently enough developing manpower to further improve the
project at a industrial pace? Have *all* *potential* external developers
(btw, how many are they and how many of them really contribute to the
project?) sufficiently knowledge about what help the *current* developers
need?
If the answer is yes to both questions, the developing part of LibO is
just perfect and we can delete any other mean of promotion for open dev
tasks/bugs.
I think there is a mentality difference between us: you spoke about people
that have *already* started working on the code while I speak about people
that haven't started, yet. The former ones are looking for help to satisfy
*their* own developing needs, the latter ones are looking for help to
satisfy the needs of the project.
However, maybe, I'm completely missing the point in your message, because
I suppose that *there are* developing needs of the project, based on a
engineering-driven model for developing LibO.
Am I wrong?
Regards,
Gianluca
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[libreoffice-website] Re: Fw: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice Extensions repository
Le 29/05/11 00:42, Bernhard Dippold a écrit : Hi Bernhard, There has been a discussion about uploading extensions to the wiki (IIRC), but I can't find it anymore. Just be aware that the extension site at OOo (http://extensions.services.openoffice.org) we link via the FSF wiki (http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:OpenOfficeExtensions/List) seems to have some problems from time to time: At the moment I need to reload the pages tree or four times until I get any data... It has been like this now for more than a month. While we are on the question of extensions, it may be worthwhile to remember that Sun/Oracle regularly had to rebuild many of its own extensions to keep them in sync with the latest code developments and release versions. These synched releases were made available at the same time as the version release of OOo. Currently, LibreOffice does not provide such synching, other than for the bundled extensions. This means that some extensions that were part and parcel of OOo usage for many users, will either fail to install with current or future releases or else will fail to function correctly with the developments integrated into the latest LibO release. What are people's thoughts on this matter ? Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] OOo extension adaption (was: Re: Fw: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice Extensions repository)
Hi Alex, all Alexander Thurgood schrieb: Le 29/05/11 00:42, Bernhard Dippold a écrit : [...] While we are on the question of extensions, it may be worthwhile to remember that Sun/Oracle regularly had to rebuild many of its own extensions to keep them in sync with the latest code developments and release versions. These synched releases were made available at the same time as the version release of OOo. Currently, LibreOffice does not provide such synching, other than for the bundled extensions. This means that some extensions that were part and parcel of OOo usage for many users, will either fail to install with current or future releases or else will fail to function correctly with the developments integrated into the latest LibO release. What are people's thoughts on this matter ? I don't think that you reach the people able to work on this topic here on the website mailing list. If there are developers interested in synchronizing dedicated extensions, you might find them on the dev list. But if you know that some extensions important to you don't work with LibreOffice, the best way to tell the developers is to create a wiki page listing them and/or a bug report (perhaps a meta bug collecting the bugs for every single extension) in bugzilla. With such resources it is more likely that some developers might pick it up. Perhaps these adaptions could be considered as Easy-Hacks - not being a developer I don't know about the necessary preconditions. Unfortunately Oracle's contribution to OpenOffice.org seems to fade, so it is not likely that any extension will be adapted to future OOo versions (if there might be any). So this is probably the only way to to use them in future, if you don't want to stick with old OOo versions (probably without security fixes)... Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] [Proposal] A central employment-office-like web structure for LibO volunteers
Hi Gianluca, Cor, all,
On 29/05/2011 10:22, Gianluca Turconi wrote:
In data 29 maggio 2011 alle ore 00:16:24, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl
ha scritto:
But reading Gianlucas sentence again ('wannabe developers that have no
clue about where and how to ask for suggestions') I must say that I do
not understand either what my reply could help with that, since I
guess people with developing skills know IRC, bugtracker, ... so I do
not understand the problem at all. Sorry for the confusion.
Is there currently enough developing manpower to further improve the
project at a industrial pace? Have *all* *potential* external developers
(btw, how many are they and how many of them really contribute to the
project?) sufficiently knowledge about what help the *current*
developers need?
If the answer is yes to both questions, the developing part of LibO is
just perfect and we can delete any other mean of promotion for open dev
tasks/bugs.
I think there is a mentality difference between us: you spoke about
people that have *already* started working on the code while I speak
about people that haven't started, yet. The former ones are looking for
help to satisfy *their* own developing needs, the latter ones are
looking for help to satisfy the needs of the project.
However, maybe, I'm completely missing the point in your message,
because I suppose that *there are* developing needs of the project,
based on a engineering-driven model for developing LibO.
Am I wrong?
There are developing needs, for sure, but it's difficult to give
information to new comers without the direct input from the developers.
I think this is where Cor and your differences reside.
But I find your idea for an additional layer good. May be we can ask to
the students participating to the GSOC how they found there way and what
they miss? Even if it's a more structured experience than just a new
comer, it can help to underline the communication flows needed (or not).
Kind regards
Sophie
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: FYI Skype Ends Support For Open-Source Digium Asterisk VOIP PBX
Hi all! Am Sonntag, den 29.05.2011, 01:10 +0200 schrieb Friedrich Strohmaier: Hi Florian, *, Florian Effenberger schrieb: indeed, we had the idea of setting up our own Asterisk, but at the moment, this is not feasible. [.. skype starts to exploit it's monopoly ..] [...] Probably a mumble server for audio conferencing can help. Not shure, whether this is suitable. http://mumble.sourceforge.net/ Another option which - as far as I understand - doesn't need an own client is OpenMeetings, please see an earlier mail: http://www.mail-archive.com/marketing@libreoffice.org/msg01135.html Unforunately, the test login doesn't seem to work anymore ... so please have a look at the videos. From my point-of-view, this system would solve several issues at one (technical inexpert view). Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] [Proposal] A central employment-office-like web structure for LibO volunteers
Le Sun, 29 May 2011 13:40:24 +0300,
Sophie Gautier gautier.sop...@gmail.com a écrit :
Hi Gianluca, Cor, all,
On 29/05/2011 10:22, Gianluca Turconi wrote:
In data 29 maggio 2011 alle ore 00:16:24, Cor Nouws
oo...@nouenoff.nl ha scritto:
But reading Gianlucas sentence again ('wannabe developers that
have no clue about where and how to ask for suggestions') I must
say that I do not understand either what my reply could help with
that, since I guess people with developing skills know IRC,
bugtracker, ... so I do not understand the problem at all. Sorry
for the confusion.
Is there currently enough developing manpower to further improve the
project at a industrial pace? Have *all* *potential* external
developers (btw, how many are they and how many of them really
contribute to the project?) sufficiently knowledge about what help
the *current* developers need?
If the answer is yes to both questions, the developing part of LibO
is just perfect and we can delete any other mean of promotion for
open dev tasks/bugs.
I think there is a mentality difference between us: you spoke about
people that have *already* started working on the code while I speak
about people that haven't started, yet. The former ones are looking
for help to satisfy *their* own developing needs, the latter ones
are looking for help to satisfy the needs of the project.
However, maybe, I'm completely missing the point in your message,
because I suppose that *there are* developing needs of the project,
based on a engineering-driven model for developing LibO.
Am I wrong?
There are developing needs, for sure, but it's difficult to give
information to new comers without the direct input from the
developers. I think this is where Cor and your differences reside.
But I find your idea for an additional layer good. May be we can ask
to the students participating to the GSOC how they found there way
and what they miss? Even if it's a more structured experience than
just a new comer, it can help to underline the communication flows
needed (or not).
Just my two cents here: to me this structure was thought to be an
entry-level platform to enable the input of possible bugs and features
by non-technical users , while enabling people who might not have been
too familiar with the development of LibreOffice to to become
acquainted to it. But to act as one source for developers'recruitment
would perhaps call a nuanced answer: developers do not need such a
platform ( a mere list of easy tasks is often enough) but developers
need specific information on what is wished. The conversion work
between an express need please repaint the whole screen in green to a
RFE (request for enhancement), as an example, has to be done by
someone who is interested in software development but who might not
have all the skills or the confidence to do it. Hence the relevance of
what I thought was Gianluca's proposal.
Best,
Charles.
Kind regards
Sophie
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: LibreOffice 3.4 images/photos
Hi, I've uploaded some. I hope it helps. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.4 Thanks, Takashi (2011/05/28 14:25), Marc Paré wrote: Hi Christian, Takashi, Italo et al: Le 2011-05-27 17:28, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Hi *, On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2011-05-27 10:52, Takashi Nakamoto a écrit : Not unless you choose the higher quality 1600x or 1900x PNG that is suggested. Florian suggested this size as many magazines had asked for screenshots when we released v.3.3.2 . Just large screenshots will not help magazines. They need images with a high optical resolution, a high density, a high dpi, this doesn't mean a screenshot window should be 1900pixel wide on a regular user's desktop. Just having a large screenshot doesn't improve quality at all, it rather makes qualiy worse, as it has to be scaled down to fit, and then you cannot read the text anymore. Unless someone else suggests anything else, I am hoping that all screen shots will be taken at the higher resolution so that we have them ready for any requests from magazines. No, this won't help. Have them in a resolution (size, dimensions) that you can display on a regular user's screen without scaling. For this the 1000x750 are fine, as those with 1024x768 can display it just fine (in the browser with slight scrolling maybe), but only very few can display a 1600xwhatever screenshot without scrolling around or shrinking it. Again: regular monitors/screenshot have a density/resolution of somewhat between 72dpi and 100dpi - for high-quality printing you would need at least 300dpi So unless you reconfigure your X-server to use a higher (virtual) dpi than the default, using a larger screenshot will not help at all. (the larger screenshot will show the very same image, not more content) there is no point to use larger ones. ciao Chrisitan Thanks Christian OK, so we'll have the screenshots done: * For website use: 1000x750 at 72 dpi for fast loads * For print ready: 1000x750 at 300 dpi or should we have them done in 600dpi for higher resolution printing? We should decide on a size and dpi setting and make note of it on the wiki so that we don't have to go over this again at the next version update. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] [Wiki] Organization of TDF
What do you call those whose contribution is less trackable, such as the educators who suggest their students use LO, as an alternate to M$O? What about the evangelists who are crowing the values of LO? Would you just suggest they find a way to make their contribution trackable? On May 29, 2011 12:30 PM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de wrote: Hi all, I made a wiki page to describe the organization of TDF [1]. Maybe some people can check the page about the content and about the right English. [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Organization If you want such a page on [2] we can copy it after some revision. [2] http://www.documentfoundation.org/ -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] [Wiki] Organization of TDF
Hi Wolf, Am 29.05.2011 20:45, schrieb Wolf Halton: What do you call those whose contribution is less trackable, such as the educators who suggest their students use LO, as an alternate to M$O? What about the evangelists who are crowing the values of LO? Would you just suggest they find a way to make their contribution trackable? This should be a point to be discussed on the tdf-discuss-ml if it is necessary. Would you open a thread therefor? The page [1] shall only describes in a short version what is fixed on the CommunityByLaws [3]. [3] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/CommunityBylaws On May 29, 2011 12:30 PM, klaus-jürgen weghorn olo...@sophia-louise.de wrote: Hi all, I made a wiki page to describe the organization of TDF [1]. Maybe some people can check the page about the content and about the right English. [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Organization If you want such a page on [2] we can copy it after some revision. [2] http://www.documentfoundation.org/ -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] [Wiki] Organization of TDF
klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote (29-05-11 21:04) Hi Wolf, Am 29.05.2011 20:45, schrieb Wolf Halton: What do you call those whose contribution is less trackable, such as the educators who suggest their students use LO, as an alternate to M$O? What about the evangelists who are crowing the values of LO? Would you just suggest they find a way to make their contribution trackable? This should be a point to be discussed on the tdf-discuss-ml if it is necessary. Would you open a thread therefor? The page [1] shall only describes in a short version what is fixed on the CommunityByLaws [3]. It is an interesting addition to the picture. I would guess the mentioned groups are around the same level as general users? Kind regards, Cor -- - http://nl.libreoffice.org - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] [Wiki] Organization of TDF
I think influenced, though I moved the question to the general discussion group as was suggested. Influencers are the people who promote ideas and have a following who try out what the influenced suggests. Average users use the product and have no interest or realization that their suggestions are important. On May 29, 2011 3:19 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote (29-05-11 21:04) Hi Wolf, Am 29.05.2011 20:45, schrieb Wolf Halton: What do you call those whose contribution is less trackable, such as the educators who suggest their students use LO, as an alternate to M$O? What about the evangelists who are crowing the values of LO? Would you just suggest they find a way to make their contribution trackable? This should be a point to be discussed on the tdf-discuss-ml if it is necessary. Would you open a thread therefor? The page [1] shall only describes in a short version what is fixed on the CommunityByLaws [3]. It is an interesting addition to the picture. I would guess the mentioned groups are around the same level as general users? Kind regards, Cor -- - http://nl.libreoffice.org - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] [Proposal] A central employment-office-like web structure for LibO volunteers
Hi Gianluca,
Gianluca Turconi wrote (29-05-11 09:22)
In data 29 maggio 2011 alle ore 00:16:24, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl
ha scritto:
But reading Gianlucas sentence again ('wannabe developers that have no
clue about where and how to ask for suggestions') I must say that I do
not understand either what my reply could help with that, since I
guess people with developing skills know IRC, bugtracker, ... so I do
not understand the problem at all. Sorry for the confusion.
Is there currently enough developing manpower to further improve the
project at a industrial pace? Have *all* *potential* external developers
(btw, how many are they and how many of them really contribute to the
project?) sufficiently knowledge about what help the *current*
developers need?
If the answer is yes to both questions, the developing part of LibO is
just perfect and we can delete any other mean of promotion for open dev
tasks/bugs.
I think there is a mentality difference between us: you spoke about
people that have *already* started working on the code while I speak
about people that haven't started, yet. The former ones are looking for
help to satisfy *their* own developing needs, the latter ones are
looking for help to satisfy the needs of the project.
However, maybe, I'm completely missing the point in your message,
because I suppose that *there are* developing needs of the project,
based on a engineering-driven model for developing LibO.
Am I wrong?
No and yes.
Of course there is always room, not to say need, for developers.
However, developers step in if - in their understanding - the project:
- is cool,
- uses or represents cutting edge, impressive or whatever technology,
- aligns with skills they have,
- is happy to except contributions and able to integrate those fast,
- is easy to build from master (ahum...)
- has active developers giving instant feedback on questions,
- ...
And of course there is BugZilla, while not easy for each and everyone,
will be a no-brainer for any (would be) developer. And there is the
wiki, with a special section for developers, easy hacks...
With all this, I doubt if an extra layer, portal, that asks lots of
energy to build and maintain, will add so much.
For you and me and each of us, contributing in any area, it will
probably haven been more or less the same: one looks around, lurks on
the list for some time, until the feeling is there that it is time to
stand up and start helping with testing, documentation, coding, ...
Communication means: ask if you need some help, or answer if you can
give some help and in the same time people learn to know each other a
bit, which is rather practical later on, when work has to be shared.
Anyway, that is my vision of 'reality' :-)
Kind regards,
Cor
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[libreoffice-website] Re: LibreOffice 3.4 images/photos
Le 2011-05-29 11:48, Takashi Nakamoto a écrit : Hi, I've uploaded some. I hope it helps. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.4 Thanks, Takashi Thanks Takashi I'll use these for the upcoming 3.4 release website site page. I am in the process of setting it up. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
